US on side of the central powers

How could we with a POD no earlier then 1898 end up with a US that is expansionist,imperialistic and rabidly anti entente? One that is not only not supplying the entente but actually fighting it.
 
Impossible pretty much. A POD has to be before that for Britain and the USA to get into a war and then the US allies with the Central Powers.
 

MrP

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If you have a search, old boy, you might find a couple of threads with some ideas. Unless the search function's acting up, of course!
 
If you have a search, old boy, you might find a couple of threads with some ideas. Unless the search function's acting up, of course!


The search function dislikes me...I search map thread v, and it's about the seventh thing on the list... anything else doesn't even show up half the time
 

MrP

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The search function dislikes me...I search map thread v, and it's about the seventh thing on the list... anything else doesn't even show up half the time

Aye, it's rather hit and miss for me as well. I wasn't being sarky when I included the caveat above about it acting up.
 
at what point during the war are they entering the war? Also what butterflies are going to be around? Is it possible to maybe have other powers switched sides during the war? Obviously if the only major change is a USA allied to the central powers entering the war at the same time as OTL then you most likely have a victorious central powers. Although how does the USN fair against the RN?

On a side note, I love your proper English vernacular MrP.
 
How could we with a POD no earlier then 1898 end up with a US that is expansionist,imperialistic and rabidly anti entente? One that is not only not supplying the entente but actually fighting it.
It might be slightly easier- still absurdly hard, of course- if you allow for other circumstances in which the USA is on the side of the Alliance. They don't necessarily have to be that much more imperialistic and expansionist than OTL. After all, if you think about it, France and Britain has colonies and other holdings in America, Germany and the Habsburgs haven't, though I somehow doubt Monroe-extremism could be made a sufficiently strong in just 16 years...
 

CalBear

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There is also the matter of the general American distaste for absolute monarchies by 1910 or so. The King of England was bad enough, even with his being pretty much defanged, but the Kaiser & the Tsar?

Something that is also often forgotten is that a lot of Americans, especially in policy making positions, sincerely believed we owed France one, hence the whole "Layfette, we are HERE!" bit.
 
There is also the matter of the general American distaste for absolute monarchies by 1910 or so. The King of England was bad enough, even with his being pretty much defanged, but the Kaiser & the Tsar?

Something that is also often forgotten is that a lot of Americans, especially in policy making positions, sincerely believed we owed France one, hence the whole "Layfette, we are HERE!" bit.

Actually, the Kaiser and the other Kaiser und Konig - the US was already on the same side as the Tsar :p (well, for about -1 month, February Revolution and all :eek:).
 
Actually, the Kaiser and the other Kaiser und Konig - the US was already on the same side as the Tsar :p (well, for about -1 month, February Revolution and all :eek:).
Not to mention that Germany and Austria-Hungary weren't proper absolute monarchies, but constitutional monarchies with strong monarch.

For a Central Powers US, having the the Habsburgs handle the diplomatic maneuvering leading up to the war better and the Germans abandoning any plan to violate Belgian neutrality would do a lot to make the CP more sympathetic in the US public eye. When/if Britain joins the Entente, if they pursued many of the same naval policies they did OTL a more CP-friendly US might take offense. The blockade had potential to be a major issue given the US fondness for free trade, and some of the British responses to German submarine warfare were (like flying neutral flags, including the US's, on their ships) could be siezed upon.
 

MrP

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On a side note, I love your proper English vernacular MrP.

Cheers, old boy! In truth, it's born of me being sarky to some American teens (who believed everyone in the UK speaks like this), but it's become my real voice. So now I sound considerably posher and more old-fashioned than anyone else in my family. :D
 
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