US?Nazi Cold War

What would happen in a Fatherland-style cold war (Germany gets lebensraum and takes on America/Britain in a cold war, Japan curbstomped) to:

Latin America?

South East Asia?

Africa?

Australasia?

China?

Peron?

Britain's colonies?
 
Latin America

Well rather than being a battleground for communism vs capitalism, it becomes fascist vs non-fascist. The US supports anti-fascist movements or dictators like OTL, with the Germans providing covert support for the fascist guerrillas.

South East Asia

Now this depends on how much of France's Colonial Empire the Germans try to control. I believe you said Japan goes to war per OTL but is defeated. So the US occupies Indo-China. China remains in civil war but without a USSR to support him Mao probably loses to Chang eventually. Japan is occupied and developed per OTL.

Africa

Again how much of the French colonial empire is in Nazi hands? How did Britain fair in the war? Does she keep her empire but loses the home island?

Australasia

With Japan defeated should develop as per OTL. Maybe if Britain has been beaten they take in more refugees from the UK?

Britain's colonies

Depends on how badly they lose the war.

The United States will get the bomb first and be able to build up more weapons before Germany. This should keep the Germans in check for the first decade or so after WWII. We get a nuclear situation similar to the real Cold War with the USA and Germans building lots of weapons. Maybe the Germans make the ICBM breakthroughs first, but the US has a stronger bomber force.
 
What would happen in a Fatherland-style cold war (Germany gets lebensraum and takes on America/Britain in a cold war, Japan curbstomped) to:

Latin America?

Most nations would probably be U.S./Commonwealth allies (with a few unaligned countries scattered across the region to boot). With no Marshall Plan directed towards Europe, Latin America probably benefits from a similar proposal instead.

South East Asia?

With Japan defeated, the USA/Britain recognizes the former French and Dutch colonies as independent. Like Latin America, SE Asia probably gets TTL's equivalent of the Marshall Plan.


Sadly, probably, for the most part, split between the Third Reich and its allies, though the British probably maintain control over their African colonies for a time. The USA would be funneling arms and money to resistance movements across the continent eventually...

Australasia?

Australia and New Zealand remain staunch U.S./Commonwealth allies.


Depends. If the Nationalists manage to maintain their hold on power, odds are we get an authoritarian and corrupt (though not brutal like Mao's dictatorship) regime that doesn't reform until the '70s at the earliest or the late eighties at the latest. If the Communists win, they'll have less than friendly relations with the USA/Commonwealth (but they'll love the Germans even less). TTL's version of Communist China may open itself sooner to trade with the United States though...


Peron remains in power until his promises run into economic difficulties. Beyond that, Argentine history isn't my strongest area, though the subsequent political history might be happier. Odds are USA/Commonwealth won't be supporting any military juntas in TTL.

Britain's colonies?

Over time, they gain independence as members of the ATL Commonwealth of Nations, and are staunch U.S. allies on the side.
 

Tom Kalbfus

Banned
The United States will get the bomb first and be able to build up more weapons before Germany. This should keep the Germans in check for the first decade or so after WWII. We get a nuclear situation similar to the real Cold War with the USA and Germans building lots of weapons. Maybe the Germans make the ICBM breakthroughs first, but the US has a stronger bomber force.
One particular German has a different life story, a certain baron named Dr. Wernher von Braun. I wonder how much of his dream he gets to accomplish while serving under the Third Reich. Von Braun had a plan to build a space station called Lunetta, a wheel-shaped space station 200 feet in diameter, this orbits at an altitude of 1075 miles in a two-hour orbit perpendicular to the ecliptic. What does Lunetta do? Its basically a control station for space based nuclear weapons. Under von Brauns influence, Germany continues development of liquid fueled rockets, because of their tempermental qualities, it becomes important to base nuclear warheads in space, and in a nearly polar orbit, it becomes possible to target any spot on the Earth as the Earth rotates underneath Lunetta's orbit. As for von Braun, he's a bit or a mercenary, whoever funds his project is who he'll take his orders from. I think his missile program continues unabated from the end of World War II, so were probably talking about the launch of the first man into orbit in the Early 1950s, and perhaps by the end of the 1960s a manned mission to Mars would be contemplated. The first footprints on the Moon would be in the late 50s or early 60s. The space race would be a lot tougher for the United States with the Third Reich as an opponent. There wouldn't be this lull in the late 40s where everybody is interested in disarmament post World War II.
 

Tom Kalbfus

Banned
What about the hippie, anti-war movement of the 1960s? Would it take on antisemetic overtones? Would we see long-haired peaceniks beating up Jews in the streets of America, as they protest the protracted war against fascists in Vietnam?

What about the Civil Rights movement? Who would champion black rights? Not the Nazis, that's for sure. What would Martin Luther King do? Would he be as much an antiwar peacenik as he was in our timeline? I don't think so.

I think the Army would be loaded with Jews, blacks, liberals, leftwingers, drug addicts, homosexuals and everybody else the Nazis hate. Who would be the peaceniks? Conservatives who see no point in nuclear escalation against the Nazis, who don't feel threatened by them and who don't want to die in a nuclear conflagregation on account of fighting fascism. This would be a strange looking glass world I think.
 

Xen

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Latin America?

Ironically the US supports Socialist governments so long as those socialists leave US interests alone. Without a USSR or a powerful enough Soviet remnant, they feel its either go along with the US or be gobbled up by internal fascists

South East Asia?

As other's said the US will recognize the independence of Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos. They become staunch allies of Washington, relatively quiet and backwards. Really not too important on the global stage as the Nazi's have no allies or access to the Pacific which becomes an American lake.


Mostly pro-American other countries such as Egypt may eventually come under the Nazi fold however. The west already had won the North African campaign by the time of Normandy (which I am presuming is the POD) so there is no way in hell the Nazi's get access to any of French Africa, instead this will be governed by the Free French. Perhaps the Free French heavily colonize Algeria though they are still a minority, resulting in an aparatheid like situation in North Africa?

Australasia?

No real difference


Hard to tell China is. It could be with the Soviets defeated Communism is seen as a failure and dooming Mao's movement. Contrary to popular belief Mao did not win the Chinese Civil War because of Soviet support, he won it because they found Japanese weapon caches that the Kuomintang knew of, but incompetently ignored figuring their American made weapons were better. In TTL, without Soviet support in the east, the Americans occupy Manchuria take the weapons and destroy them, thus denying them to Mao. The Kuomintang takes longer but I believe they win the war, with Mao and most of his army going north to the Soviet remnant and helping prop up Stalin.


This one I am not to sure of, I'd imagine hed see the US/UK as more of a threat to him, and while being friendly towards Germany not going too far to anger the western allies.

Britain's colonies?

Eventually decolonialized, though with Hitler's and the Third Reich's position on race, I can not imagine these colonies supporting or being supported by Germany.

Though you didn't ask I added a couple

Korea - United and perhaps democratic, Kim may have started an insurgency war against the ROK government, which will likely result in a Korean War where China comes in to support the ROK government against Kim.

Cuba - American puppet military government. Very popular with tourists, gamblers and druggies.
 
Australia might develop somewhat differently without the postwar refugees from Continental Europe if they cannot get there in the same numbers.
 
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