US gets Texas in Lousiana Purchase

When the Americans brought Louisana from France the borders were not clear. The Americans claimed all the way to the Rio Grande. This was solved with the Adam-Onis treaty. The Americans got Florida, while agreeing the southern border be in OTL Oklamhomia. What if America got Texas at a much eariler date?
 
a) either Spain is in a much weaker position when the treaty is negotiated or
b) the US give up something else in exchange for Texas.

For a): That could be an earlier successful independence movement in New Spain, but would the US even negotiate with Madrid in that case?
For b): Someone in Spain might realize that keeping East Florida as dependency of Cuba would be easier than keeping Texas as part of New Spain. I know that getting West Florida was important for the US, but how much did they want East Fla.?
 
a) either Spain is in a much weaker position when the treaty is negotiated or…

Wait, Napoleon himself transferred control of Louisiana from Spain to France, so wasn’t there a personal union or somesuch at that time? Couldn’t Napoleon have included the area roughly corresponding to Texas therein?
 

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Wait, Napoleon himself transferred control of Louisiana from Spain to France, so wasn’t there a personal union or somesuch at that time? Couldn’t Napoleon have included the area roughly corresponding to Texas therein?

No. Not even close to what was going on. Also it doesn't settle what happens after the end of the Napoleonic Wars and the US has to establish the border with the legitimate government of Spain and/or Mexico.
 
No. Not even close to what was going on.

So… what went on?

Also it doesn't settle what happens after the end of the Napoleonic Wars and the US has to establish the border with the legitimate government of Spain and/or Mexico.

Want to take a stab at it? Because it’s likely the US would get what it claimed, like OTL.
 

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So… what went on?

Napoleon tried to install his brother as King of Spain in 1807, four years after the purchase.

Want to take a stab at it? Because it’s likely the US would get what it claimed, like OTL.

Being as the European community only accepted Adams-Onis treaty because it was a transfer of the territory within its generally accepted borders. The US wouldn't be able to push beyond that and get the UK, Spain, and everyone else to sign off on it.
 
a) either Spain is in a much weaker position when the treaty is negotiated or
b) the US give up something else in exchange for Texas.

For a): That could be an earlier successful independence movement in New Spain, but would the US even negotiate with Madrid in that case?
For b): Someone in Spain might realize that keeping East Florida as dependency of Cuba would be easier than keeping Texas as part of New Spain. I know that getting West Florida was important for the US, but how much did they want East Fla.?

B is probably more likely in both cases, TBH. But there could be a payoff in the long run, though: If something particularly screwed up happens thanks to Madrid, and if *filibusters are able to build up enough pro-American sentiment, then we might just get East Florida too, and maybe Cuba besides.

You'd have to play around a fair bit, but it'd work if you played the cards right. ;)
 
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