US gets southern Ontario in Treaty of Paris WI Nipissing Line as US-Canadian border?

Assuming that Majority of the United Empire loyalists in OTL still went to Nova Scotia and Canada(Quebec)! What's the future Canada would be like?

Would American Southern Ontario have become culturally New Englander or Mid-Westerner?

Would Scots immigrants that went to Canada in OTL have gone to US instead that bring more Canadian style Egalitarianism into the US society?

Maps or Statistics would be appreciated!
 
Assuming that Majority of the United Empire loyalists in OTL still went to Nova Scotia and Canada(Quebec)! What's the future Canada would be like?

Would American Southern Ontario have become culturally New Englander or Mid-Westerner?

Would Scots immigrants that went to Canada in OTL have gone to US instead that bring more Canadian style Egalitarianism into the US society?

Maps or Statistics would be appreciated!


New Englander.... They move here after W. NY. Then on to Michigan. You know it has as much likelyhood as hell freezing over though right.
 
New Englander.... They move here after W. NY. Then on to Michigan. You know it has as much likelyhood as hell freezing over though right.

As I'm sure @David T would confirm, Bradford Perkins's research on the terms of the end of the Revolution would disagree with your assertion (as would the contemporary British).
 
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New Englander.... They move here after W. NY. Then on to Michigan. You know it has as much likelyhood as hell freezing over though right.

Which gives you a New Englander cultural base, but the same could be said of most Midwestern states in their early stages. You tend to develop a very New England "core" in the biggest early settlements which retains its character, but out state you get small immigrant farmers who, while influenced strongly by the commercial cultural hubs, develop Prairie/Great Plains like cultures locally. That's really what makes the Midwestern culture exist
 
Culturally it will look like Michigan and the Midwest without the southern influences. Whole settlement patterns might be changed and uprooted by this with New Englanders dominating the Great Lakes and southernors cementing their control over the Ohio.
 
One interesting question is where the Loyalists who went to Upper Canada OTL will head. Will they all be settled in Nova Scotia?

In the longer term, with Upper Canada an American territory, we may well have a mostly Francophone province of Québec dominating rump Canada. With no Loyalist settlements, it's not clear to me that anything will stop Francophones under British sovereignty from continuing to exert power upstream the Ottawa and into the west.
 
As I'm sure @David T would confirm, Bradford Perkins's research on the terms of the end ofvolution would disagree with your assertion (as would the contemporary British).


And why would he do that . It was clear that as soon as the proposition was presented that it would never pass as is because of Tory opposition n parliament. That and the the fact that the British were aware that the French and Spanish "allies" were clearly on the opposite page to the colonials made it a certainty that the British could actually insist on a harder position if they so choose. And that they did. It made it imperative to both sides to find compromise eat the British suffer a setback at say Gibraltar making it a certainty that a "separate peace" is concluded with the Euros first making a certainty that the colonials get actually far less. The French are cash strapped and want out and believe the Americans have no rights to anything beyond the Appalachians. The Spanish have strategic considerations regarding their own colonies. Their support is more about studying it to the British for past wrongs than any ultuistic support for the colonials. Hence there own proposals didn't put US much beyond the Appalachians either and reserved for themselves a joint protectorate over the civilfized tribes. The British know this because their opposite French and Spanish negotiators have said so directly to them hence they could insist on a harder negotiating position, which they promptly did The clock was ticking it was simply a matter of seeing which may opponent blinked first. The American negotiators know they are out of sync it's simply a matter of when compromise occurs not if.
 
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Which gives you a New Englander cultural base, but the same could be said of most Midwestern states in their early stages. You tend to develop a very New England "core" in the biggest early settlements which retains its character, but out state you get small immigrant farmers who, while influenced strongly by the commercial cultural hubs, develop Prairie/Great Plains like cultures locally. That's really what makes the Midwestern culture exist

More like Western NY, but thats probably splitting hairs.
 

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One interesting question is where the Loyalists who went to Upper Canada OTL will head. Will they all be settled in Nova Scotia?

In the longer term, with Upper Canada an American territory, we may well have a mostly Francophone province of Québec dominating rump Canada. With no Loyalist settlements, it's not clear to me that anything will stop Francophones under British sovereignty from continuing to exert power upstream the Ottawa and into the west.

Nova Scotia sound reasonable. As down Australia. Or any other British control area that ended up a settler colony.
 
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