US does not accept Frankfurt School as refugees

I mean things like mothers being maternal being viewed as patriarchal and the painfully forcing of this strange agenderism, where men and women are exactly the same, on average they are not. They are both equally important and should be cherished for what they do, and they both deserve rights as we are all people. Voting, expression, movement, and getting to choose who you want are all things men and women deserve to have. Like I said, I'm not some , "Things were better when they couldn't vote!", I don't believe that a wife and a daughter are the father's property and need their expressed permission to leave the house.

These relaxations on these roles haven't made women happier in America as this study shows. What we need to do is to establish that men and women are not the same, they are different, but they are equal. Both important. What we have instead is people saying that fatherhood is evil and being a mother is bad. I'm not saying this the overwhelming majority, it's not, but to ignore it is foolish.

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What do you have against transgender people?
 
As for the slut thing, the women are clearly trying to send a message against the double standard that is slut shaming.

>Have slut written on their bodies
>Go into public wearing no shirt and only bra
>Fighting against slut shaming

I'm not sure I follow. This would be like a bunch of Black guys wearing slave era clothing and going into public with nigger written on their body. It's stupid and honestly I don't understand why people don't see it as the insanity it is
 




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What do you have against transgender people?

Nothing. They are people who are confused and should not be isolated. But that kid is being sexualized and used to push an agenda, which is wrong. Let the kid be left alone. it's the same as those people who use their children to push their religion or belief

No doubt people in the Frankfurt School had more respect for the Lukacs of *History and Class Consciousness* than for the later Lukacs who groveled before Stalinism. But *History and Class Consciousness* has nothing to do with sexual libertinism or anything else the far right attributes to "cultural Marxism." Lukacs was actually quite old-fashioned in his cultural tastes; he disliked expressionism, the avant-garde in general--indeed, anything more up-to-date than Thomas Mann.

By the way, "Lord Vespasian"'s attached Stalin quote is of course a fake. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/false-healthy-body/

But there is really no point in arguing with this nonsense.

Fair point on Stalin. i acquiesce on the quote. Still, the Soviets undeniably funded subversive activities. There's no denying it. Also Lukacs made a sex ed program deriding traditional values so calling him "old-fashioned" might be incorrect. His goal during the Bela Kun regime was openly and avowedly to eradicate Christianity and Christian morality from Hungarian society, and he believed that one of the most effective methods of achieving this would be to undermine sexual morality through the introduction of compulsory sex education in schools. To achieve his aims, he introduced programme in schools which included graphic literature being handed out to children, the promotion of promiscuity, the mocking of monogamy, and the scorning of their parents’ moral ethics. He was not as "old-fashioned" as you say
 
I will now leave as I do not wish to escalate this any further. I regret doing so. Have a good day. I hold no ill will towards any of you and I hope you are the same
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>Have slut written on their bodies
>Go into public wearing no shirt and only bra
>Fighting against slut shaming

I'm not sure I follow. This would be like a bunch of Black guys wearing slave era clothing and going into public with nigger written on their body. It's stupid and honestly I don't understand why people don't see it as the insanity it is
you don't get greentext here, anon
 
Well we got close to a flame war over alleged Alt-right/alt-left antics, so how about we have this thread closed up just for the sake of our mental health?
 
The term "cultural Marxism" is a failed attempt to accurately describe intellectual trends in the west over the past 60 years or so. Marxism generally means economic determinism and a focus on class conflict leading to the state socialism of the OTL eastern bloc, so "cultural Marxism" seems like a contradiction at first. A more realistic description is probably cultural Marxianism (Marxian = from Karl Marx's writings, Marxist = orthodox Marxist ideology, a somewhat separate creature).

The Frankfurt School was just the first example of the western left moving away from orthodox Marxist class conflict as mode of analysis for developed western countries. The Frankfurt School in the '40s and 50's was ahead of the curve in the left's shift away from a primary focus on economic issues (New Deal liberals) to social, cultural and non-economic issues like civil rights, gay marriage, abortion (think the New Left from the 60s onward). The best examples of this split are the more old-school, socialist left of Die Linke and the German Green Party's greater emphasis on social justice issues.

Generally "cultural marxism" seems like an attempt to apply Marxian class conflict to non-economic actors, with the same type of binary bourgeois/proletarian dynamic. Cultural marxianism is just an analysis of the role that dissident or peripheral subcultures play in deconstructing or breaking down mainstream cultural mores. Most people are still heterosexual, but the modern hookup culture expanded outward from the gay hookup/bathhouse culture at the expense of the no sex before marriage idea that was expected of most people in the '50s.

Marx's ideas can still be useful insofar as they provide an accurate critique to ameliorate problems in capitalist societies, even though the attempt to use Marx's writings prescriptively as the model for a new, non-capitalist society usually ends in disaster. I think a lot of the accusations of "cultural marxism" are just Americans thinking Marxism=socialism, socialism = anything bad/I don't like. Social conservatives who perceive secular consumerism as incomplete unknowingly agree with concepts like Marxist alienation and ideas like the Frankfurt School's critique of the "culture industry".

Given enough time, Ayn Rand style free market capitalism tends to corrode traditional religious and social mores and lead to a kind a lowest-common denominator hedonism that provides the biggest consumer base possible. Sex toys and pop music provide more money-making opportunities than folk music or being a virgin before marriage. Capitalism is bigger revolutionary force in breaking down traditional social mores than socialism could ever be.
 

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"The term "Frankfurt School" arose informally to describe the thinkers affiliated or merely associated with the Frankfurt Institute for Social Research; it is not the title of any specific position or institution per se, and few of these theorists used the term themselves. The Institute for Social Research (Institut für Sozialforschung) was founded in 1923 by Carl Grünberg, a Marxist legal and political professor at the University of Vienna,[10] as an adjunct of the University of Frankfurt; it was the first Marxist-oriented research center affiliated with a major German university.[4] However, the school can trace its earliest roots back to Felix Weil, who used money from his father's grain business to finance the Institut.

Weil (1898–1975), a young Marxist, had written his doctoral thesis (published by Karl Korsch) on the practical problems of implementing socialism. With the hope of bringing different trends of Marxism together, Weil organized a week-long symposium (the Erste Marxistische Arbeitswoche) in 1922 in Ilmenau, Thuringia, a meeting attended by Georg Lukács, Karl Korsch, Karl August Wittfogel, Friedrich Pollock and others. The event was so successful that Weil set about erecting a building and funding salaries for a permanent institute. Weil negotiated with the Ministry of Education that the Director of the Institute would be a full professor from the state system, so that the Institut would have the status of a University institution.[11]

Georg Lukács and Karl Korsch both attended the Arbeitswoche, which had included a study of Korsch's Marxism and Philosophy—but both were too committed to political activity and Party membership to join the Institut, though Korsch participated in publishing ventures for a number of years. The way Lukács was obliged to repudiate his History and Class Consciousness, published in 1923 and probably a major inspiration for the work of the Frankfurt School, indicated that independence from the Communist Party was necessary for genuine theoretical work.[11]"

My claim that Engels was a member is indeed false. But as for Lukács, while he may not have been a member of the Institut, to split hairs over his involvement seems disingenuous. "Lukács was obliged to repudiate his History and Class Consciousness, published in 1923 and probably a major inspiration for the work of the Frankfurt School", this shows that Lukács had definitely influenced the Frankfurt School, and like it says, it was not a strictly defined thing, therefore trying to exclude him without mentioning his influence is strange. And Lukács was the man who taught extreme sexual promiscuity and rebellious attitudes to anything their elders thought to young teenagers as he believed Christianity and traditional views on sex and the sexes must be destroyed, showing the inherent corrosive nature of Marxism. The difference is that Classical Marxism achieved power through force and used their power to openly destroy traditional society, Stalin fighting the church and wiping out the Kulaks along with Mao's Cultural Revolution are some examples. Cultural Marxism, which is not the Frankfurt School, the School is a apart of Cultural Marxism, is subversive. Using media and business connections to implant the seeds needed to corrode the basis of society. Eventually, the Soviets picked up on how useful this was(or rather is) and started funding their own subversive efforts to undermine the West, as Soviet Defector Yuri Bezmenov states


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Homophobia, transphobia AND Islamaphobia all in three images. As deplorable as it is impressive.

Kicked for a week. Leave your bigotry in the other room when you return.
 
Sexualization of children and the girls have things like "Slut" written on them. Can you explain why that isn't weird? They're literally calling themselves sluts, a derogatory term.
How about right wingers embracing "deplorable"? I'll wait a week for your answer.

I do not particularly care for most of the theories of most of the people associated with the Frankfurt School, but that has nothing to do with the idiocy of the right-wing lumping them together as "cultural Marxism" and blaming them for every social development they dislike.
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