Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by Oppo, Jun 10, 2019.
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Is this a reference to something he said OTL, or do you just think he would be amoral enough to do something so reckless?
I don’t think North would be alone in doing this. Clinton’s Korean War has a tactical nuke used. North’s personal take ITTL is that he’d rather use nukes then sacrifice American lives.
So, in a sense, he isn't much different than Harry Truman, as hard as it is to admit.
ITTL, he is hated for it, but he might again be vindicated (somewhat) for saving American lives.
What he didn’t expect was the North Korean’s ability to attack back, which killed a ton of Americans in Korea and South Korean citizens. The collapse of the South Korean economy caused a great deal of distress to the world markets.
Oh, so he believed that North Korea would fall if he just kicked in the door? He thus underestimated the will of North Koreans to fight for the "Dear Leader."
Honestly without the counter attack against Seoul, it would look positively genius to his base. It would still be a foreign policy disaster with the fallout and the unprecedented level of quick escalation, but that doesn't matter as much and being the tough man who solved a problem efficiently would please some people.
Of course, killing as many south Koreans as north Koreans kinda make it a lot less appealing.
Did anything significant happen in this TL in 2005, or will that be covered in a later update?
I skipped over it to give a better focus on what lies ahead. It’s not too different from what was going on with the Bush administration around this time.
Peak Oppo is just what Dead Kennedys thought of Jerry Brown put onto reality
If his reputation is anything like OTL's he'll win two terms in office despite this and allegations of corruption. And then probably see backers try to repeal the 22nd Amendment.
@Gorrister did a vignette about President Barry a while back.
That's actually about what I expected.
Tupac Shakur, a rapper and actor who built a career on controversy, announced his entry into the 2008 presidential race, declaring himself as the defender of all marginalized groups in America.
“We need to have our own political party ‘cause we all have the same problems. We built this nation and we get none of the benefits.”
Mr. Shakur announced his candidacy in Little Bobby Hutton Memorial Park, where the Black Panther was shot and killed by Oakland Police. Shakur’s political views and messages were molded on the Black Panthers. His mother, Afeni Shakur, was one of the Panther 21 and remains a prominent civil rights activist.
Tupac Shakur has long been a voice in the political sphere ever since former Vice President Dan Quayle declared his music to have “no place in society.” Shakur’s raps have long targeted those in government as overlooking the black community and those in poverty.
Shakur’s candidacy marks a sharp contrast to the current Democratic frontrunner, Senator Hillary Clinton. Clinton’s polished campaign has hoped to present an image of her as a strong leader, but critics have declared her as ingenuine and not enough of a change from the Republicans. Mr. Shakur did not hold back any punches when it came to the former First Lady.
“Your husband, Bill Clinton was present for eight years, and he did nothing for the black community. You talk, but you’ve got no action. You voted to back Ollie North’s colonial wars, and your husband cut welfare. I’ve see first hand how the Clintons damaged America; not just for black people, but for everyone.”
Mr. Shakur’s position as a political outsider serves as both an asset and a weakness. While he will have an easy time picking up traction in the polls due to his huge media profile, many might not take him seriously compared to Hillary Clinton and Al Gore’s candidacies. Terry McAuliffe, Chairman of the Clinton campaign, declared Shakur’s candidacy to be “nothing more than a publicity stunt” while Gore’s campaign manager Donna Brazile said “the next president needs executive experience.”
His announcement speech gave a detailed condemnation of an “imperialist foreign policy” and called for a new Constitution to be passed that would transition the country into a direct democracy. Shakur’s position on impeaching President North is likely the strongest of any of the Democratic candidates, and will act as a pressure towards Congressional Democrats. Along with his attacks on Clinton, Shakur attacked Al Gore for his failure in 2000 and Tipper Gore’s efforts with the PMRC.
Shakur insists that his campaign is a serious endeavor, pointing out that he has officially filed with the FEC and he would be willing to spend his personal fortune to win the Blair House. Forbes estimates that the rapper and actor is worth $275 million.
Mr. Shakur’s insurgent campaign is managed by human rights lawyer Chokwe Lumumba, who has represented Shakur previously. 2004’s insurgent candidate Mike Gravel has also joined the Shakur 2008 campaign, saying that the rapper’s campaign is the best hope for establishing a Legislature of the People. Several party insiders believe Majority Leader Daschle is privately backing the Shakur campaign, due to many of his former staffers offering their services.
It remains to be seen if Shakur’s radical campaign can go from long-shot to winning the nomination; but his presence will likely throw a wrench in the presidential race.
Thought you guys would like to read this article.
Vote on the Impeachment of President North
House: 275 - 160
Senate: 72 - 28 (Warner, Snowe, Collins, and Lugar vote to convict)
The impeachment of President North was quite the opposite to that of President Clinton in 1999; both houses easily voted to convict the president for his numerous high crimes and misdemeanors. The public could not stand the brutality of seeing Korean children burning alive from our cruel bombs. The American people demanded that the Congress make an example of the Republicans, who seemed to endorse and encourage North’s erratic behavior until it went overboard. In his true fashion, former President North had to be forced out of the Blair House by the Secret Service; perhaps trying to outdo putting $10 million into the wrong Swiss bank account for his most embarrassing moment.
After the chaos of a daddy’s boy, a centenarian white supremacist, and a felon, the 46th President was supposed to mark a return to normalcy. After all, quite a few good ol’ Dixiecrats voted to impeach because Zell Miller was “one of us.” The primary issue Miller faced upon taking office was that neither party really knew whether he was a Democrat or a Republican. It seemed to change depending on how popular he was on the given day. Miller viewed himself as being in the mold of John F. Kennedy, yet he had stood behind Oliver North throughout the 2000s and backed the religious right’s agenda. By the first few weeks of his term, the Democrats had largely abandoned the president who they saw as a possible ally. Regardless of what party the people saw him as, Miller was a lame duck refusing to run for re-election.
I just noticed that Arlen Specter and John McCain switch to the Democrats during the North administration.
Specter did that OTL at the tail end of his term.
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