Updated: Justiz in Nurnberg

Which ones do you think SHOULDN'T be up at the dock?

  • Julius Streicher

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Klaus Barbie

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Roland Freisler

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Hans Lammers

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Ernst Kaltenbrunner

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Heinrich Mueller

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Karl Wolff

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    18
Greetings everyone, I've been thinking about new projects. And I want to show my real talent. So, I though about it, and I will make my first alternate history story. A particular topic I always found fascinating was the Nuremberg Trials that condemned many Nazi War Criminals. Its highly regarded, yet full of many blunders in its making. This POD (Point of Divergence) will situate if many of the Nazi leaders who escaped trial by death were brought to court. And plenty of verdicts could be changed as well. I will hold polls on others opinion on their respective involvement, guilt and fate. Here are the current candidates for the main trial:

Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Joseph Goebbels, Reinhard Heydrich, Hermann Goering, Rudolf Hess, Joachim von Ribbentrop, Robert Ley, Wilhelm Keitel, Ernst Kaltenbrunner, Adolf Eichmann, Heinrich Mueller, Erich Koch, Alfred Rosenberg, Hans Frank, Wilhelm Frick, Julius Streicher, Walther von Brauchitsch, Franz Halder, Walther Funk, Franz Xaver Schwarz, Hjalmar Schacht, Roland Freisler, Hermann Fegelein, Karl Wolff, Karl Donitz, Erich Raeder, Baldur von Schirach, Fritz Sauckel, Alfred Jodl, Martin Bormann, Hans Lammers, Erich von dem Bach-Zelewski, Klaus Barbie, Franz von Papen, Arthur Seyss-Inquart, Albert Speer, Otto Dietrich and Konstantin von Neurath.

Update: I messed up with the polls, last time. I'm making sure that everything works this time. You can choose multiple people for your contenders. Just need an indicator of who specifically I should remove.
 

Stolengood

Banned
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Tyr Anazasi

Banned
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials#Criticism

I have no time to point my personal critic as lawyer about this trial. Here it is a summary, which is quite good. Of course, many of them were guilty committing war crimes and crimes against humanity. However, as there was no such law, the main point was not punishable as there was no law banning a war of aggression. Furthermore legitimacy is affected by the own crimes the Allies committed and not punished. These crimes do not justify the German crimes, but the Allied crimes are also not justified by the German ones. Also the rights of the defendants were limited in a way no civilian court in the USA, Britain, France or Germany of this time would have accepted.

Thus the idea of such a court was, and still is, great. The first example is so full of mistakes the court itself can't be considered as the example it is widely considered and it should have been.
 
Looking at some of the names on that list my first thought was: "Who should not go to the dock and should just be taken out and shot ASAP"?
Especially when you see names like Kaltenbrunner and Eichman on the list. :p

I think I would take the military personnel out of Nuremburg though and put them through Courts Martial instead. Although that would mean that any officer that enforced the Commissar order or the Commando order could find themselves against a wall in fairly short order.
While that would leave Nuremburg as a civilian affair, there would be a cross over for some of the SS commanders that potentially had both camp and combat commands.
 
Unfortunately

Much of what happened at Nuremberg was a Wallies version of a Moscow Show Trial. Robert Taft was right about that.
If one finds it admirable to hand a German for targeting civilians, why was Bomber Harris not in the dock as well?

While the Nazis could not have gone unpunished, and many escaped justice simply due there being so many of them, and the Wallies were tired of running an abattoir, the mechanism of arranging their demise was NOT the finest hour of the West.
 
Keitel as well?

Looking at some of the names on that list my first thought was: "Who should not go to the dock and should just be taken out and shot ASAP"?
Especially when you see names like Kaltenbrunner and Eichman on the list. :p

I think I would take the military personnel out of Nuremburg though and put them through Courts Martial instead. Although that would mean that any officer that enforced the Commissar order or the Commando order could find themselves against a wall in fairly short order.
While that would leave Nuremburg as a civilian affair, there would be a cross over for some of the SS commanders that potentially had both camp and combat commands.

By military personnel, does that include Wilhelm Keitel as well? And do Waffen-SS commanders count? Because Fegelein was a high-ranking officer there. Yet both of them played significant roles in Hitler's inner circle so I'm not sure if they should both be in the main trial or being put in a military tribunal.
 
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