Speaking of Appomattox, smth tells me no general will be able to stop the troops celebrating victory over the Confederates this time
Phil Sheridan would likely be passing out the party favors!
Speaking of Appomattox, smth tells me no general will be able to stop the troops celebrating victory over the Confederates this time
I wonder if there going be many outlaws after the war
It would be indeed. Go up to around the late 1900s, and examine history as the south develop there national identity, how does the north react: More crackdown or deescalation? How do the Carpetbaggers and Freeman new class manage to get up from this point? It be a very interesting way to examine both nationhood, and how to move on from history.Of course, that would be a fascinating timeline to read, too...
Funny thing about Phil, when the Franco-Prussian War broke out, he actually went over to the Prussians as a advisor and rode around going "Yeah,lol, go shoot those franc-tierurs, you guys are great" and wrote home about how awesome Prussia was.Phil Sheridan would likely be passing out the party favors!
Flood the area with carpetbaggers and make sure half the locals are part of a group with a vested interest in staying in the union? Inculcate a tradition of military service among the freedmen? Hawaii was an actual other country, but what are the odds of independence for them, really?It would be indeed. Go up to around the late 1900s, and examine history as the south develop there national identity, how does the north react: More crackdown or deescalation? How do the Carpetbaggers and Freeman new class manage to get up from this point? It be a very interesting way to examine both nationhood, and how to move on from history
The issue with Hawaii was that Hawaiians were a minority in Hawaii even before they were annexed to the United States. I don't think there's any reasonable way to make Southerners a minority in the South as a whole without genocide, although there were definitely some states where it might have been possible, and perhaps you could make a combination of freedmen and northern migrants a large enough minority that they make resistance impractical.Flood the area with carpetbaggers and make sure half the locals are part of a group with a vested interest in staying in the union? Inculcate a tradition of military service among the freedmen? Hawaii was an actual other country, but what are the odds of independence for them, really?
And imagine if Thomas Jordan, the Confederate general I mentioned earlier as having a chance to make France...less bad in that war, thus not losing Alsace and Lorraine, and Phil Sheridan wound up leading men against each other.Funny thing about Phil, when the Franco-Prussian War broke out, he actually went over to the Prussians as a advisor and rode around going "Yeah,lol, go shoot those franc-tierurs, you guys are great" and wrote home about how awesome Prussia was.
Funny thing about Phil, when the Franco-Prussian War broke out, he actually went over to the Prussians as a advisor and rode around going "Yeah,lol, go shoot those franc-tierurs, you guys are great" and wrote home about how awesome Prussia was.
Who's to say that ex-Confederate and Union officers won't make their way over to Europe? You could end up with military attaches pitted against their former comrades or engaging against their adversaries again. It would also make for an odd diplomatic situation if a wanted Confederate general escaped capture by fleeing to Mexico and thereon to France to act as an advisor, only to later meet a Union officer sent over by the US to France as a gesture to improve relations.And imagine if Thomas Jordan, the Confederate general I mentioned earlier as having a chance to make France...less bad in that war, thus not losing Alsace and Lorraine, and Phil Sheridan wound up leading men against each other.
Funny thing about Phil, when the Franco-Prussian War broke out, he actually went over to the Prussians as a advisor and rode around going "Yeah,lol, go shoot those franc-tierurs, you guys are great" and wrote home about how awesome Prussia was.
And imagine if Thomas Jordan, the Confederate general I mentioned earlier as having a chance to make France...less bad in that war, thus not losing Alsace and Lorraine, and Phil Sheridan wound up leading men against each other.
This sounds like the premise for a historical buddy comedy I'd pay money for, ngl.Who's to say that ex-Confederate and Union officers won't make their way over to Europe? You could end up with military attaches pitted against their former comrades or engaging against their adversaries again. It would also make for an odd diplomatic situation if a wanted Confederate general escaped capture by fleeing to Mexico and thereon to France to act as an advisor, only to later meet a Union officer sent over by the US to France as a gesture to improve relations.
although there were definitely some states where it might have been possible
The climactic final scene showing the two men in a trench, staring down a rushing Prussian attack.This sounds like the premise for a historical buddy comedy I'd pay money for, ngl.
I think Louisiana was as well, or close, and Florida was thinly populated enough that it might have been possible to just flood out the old inhabitants with new Yankees. It might have been possible to think of something for Kentucky and Tennessee as well, perhaps also Virginia if West Virginia wasn't a separate state. But yes, those states were precisely the ones I was thinking about...rather ironically, given their trajectories IOTL towards being unassailable fortresses of reactionary neo-Confederism.South Carolina and Mississippi were African-American majority in 1860, so these seem at least possible to do something with.
Which they gave up on in 1865, once the Union had won...AFAICT, it was pretty quickly back to smiles and roses after that. France had an imposing (though not really deserved) reputation, and there was a traditional Francophilic attitude due to its intervention in the Revolutionary War that was only gradually starting to switch to general Anglophilia at this point (not that Anglophilia hadn't previously existed, but the general trend in high society was Francophilic instead).Why would Union officers help France at all, even if France were willing to accept them? France was aiding their Mexican puppet empire, which was fighting the US-backed Republic.
In fairness, I dont think he was allowed to see that part.But it's remarkable how he passes over in silence the work of the Prussian General Staff in preparing for the war and moving all the troops and supplies around so efficiently and quickly - yes, even better than anything Herman Haupt could manage.
Also, all the west pointers were taught about how awesome Napoleon was and the attitude was passed on fairly hard.Which they gave up on in 1865, once the Union had won...AFAICT, it was pretty quickly back to smiles and roses after that. France had an imposing (though not really deserved) reputation, and there was a traditional Francophilic attitude due to its intervention in the Revolutionary War that was only gradually starting to switch to general Anglophilia at this point (not that Anglophilia hadn't previously existed, but the general trend in high society was Francophilic instead).
Ah yes, wasn't the curriculum quite based on Jomini at this point in time? While Swiss, he served extensively in the French army...Also, all the west pointers were taught about how awesome Napoleon was and the attitude was passed on fairly hard.
Ah yes, wasn't the curriculum quite based on Jomini at this point in time?