True, but sorting through the internal borders of the US in 1835 is beyond me, at least when so many butterflies have been released. I'll leave that to Eurofed.
United States of the Americas and Oceania
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True, but sorting through the internal borders of the US in 1835 is beyond me, at least when so many butterflies have been released. I'll leave that to Eurofed.
The time lines are great,but the more thing progress..the harder I find it to understand that most of what is British will become American. I can imagine the USA,Canada and Greenland becoming a single country. But most of the British posessions? I do not know..
Eurofed
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Very well done, H-R and AR. Those maps of yours are things of beauty. As it concerns the internal borders of the bicontinental US, yes, there are several cases where they shall be different (e.g. the borders of ex-Canadian ones are already rather different). You all know that this is a task I take up reluctantly, necessary as it may be. So far, I've strived to puzzle out where and how the borders of those states would turn up really different, giving shorthard descriptions in the various US updates. As to putting them in a map... we shall see, since as you know my map-making skills are limited. I could try to create a rough scheme, which our resident map-makers could refine. We shall see in the future. I'm as yet more than a bit uncertain when and how often this would be worth to do, since surely I don't want to tackle the task for every statehood.
Aranfan, this USA shall indeed cast off isolationism a lot sooner than OTL, but at least until sometime between ACW and the first global conflict I do not see exceeding reasons for themselves to get embroiled in the European alliance system. Surely they have their ongoing imperial rivalry with the British Empire, first in South America and then in the Pacific, and this shall motivate them to seek an alliance with the Eastern powers sooner or later, but I'm not yet sure when. If Britain and France try to interfere in the ACW (a big if), it could be as early as the Reconstruction.
K-H, basically, the US expansion in most of what is the British Empire (BSA, Anzus, South Africa) shall occur as the result of the ongoing imperial competition with the British Empire, and because this USA has got Manifest Destiny ideology as an integral component of their national identity. They look towards all of the Americas, and the extra-American British colonies that loosely resemble the USA socially and culturally (e.g. Australia, New Zealand, South Africa), as potential parts of the USA waiting to happen. Since they do not see themselves as aggressive, they do not go out of their way to start wars and annex them, but once a war does happen for whatever casus belli triggered by expansionism and imperial rivalry, bets and gloves are off and they deem the only fitting outcome for those lands is to become American if they can conquer them at all. Typically this means a period while conquered lands stay US territories/protectorates, while they are settled if scarcely populated, the territory is made socially, politically, and economically fit to be a US state (and America works out whatever racist kinks it may still have to give statehood to bunch of colored backward folks), and the conquered peoples realize that the Americans are fully determined and able to stay and keep all of what they conquered, the only way out of permanent US military occupation and subject status is to accept their own destiny as Yankees and embrace US statehood.
Aranfan, this USA shall indeed cast off isolationism a lot sooner than OTL, but at least until sometime between ACW and the first global conflict I do not see exceeding reasons for themselves to get embroiled in the European alliance system. Surely they have their ongoing imperial rivalry with the British Empire, first in South America and then in the Pacific, and this shall motivate them to seek an alliance with the Eastern powers sooner or later, but I'm not yet sure when. If Britain and France try to interfere in the ACW (a big if), it could be as early as the Reconstruction.
K-H, basically, the US expansion in most of what is the British Empire (BSA, Anzus, South Africa) shall occur as the result of the ongoing imperial competition with the British Empire, and because this USA has got Manifest Destiny ideology as an integral component of their national identity. They look towards all of the Americas, and the extra-American British colonies that loosely resemble the USA socially and culturally (e.g. Australia, New Zealand, South Africa), as potential parts of the USA waiting to happen. Since they do not see themselves as aggressive, they do not go out of their way to start wars and annex them, but once a war does happen for whatever casus belli triggered by expansionism and imperial rivalry, bets and gloves are off and they deem the only fitting outcome for those lands is to become American if they can conquer them at all. Typically this means a period while conquered lands stay US territories/protectorates, while they are settled if scarcely populated, the territory is made socially, politically, and economically fit to be a US state (and America works out whatever racist kinks it may still have to give statehood to bunch of colored backward folks), and the conquered peoples realize that the Americans are fully determined and able to stay and keep all of what they conquered, the only way out of permanent US military occupation and subject status is to accept their own destiny as Yankees and embrace US statehood.
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Eurofed
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The manifestation of my sucky memory about names.
For the moment. The great powers were already close to the brink because of Schleswig-Holstein, Burgundy is a flashpoint between France and Germany, the issue was kinda swept under the rug with status quo as the best possible compromise. But it may easily and likely shall erupt again in the future. Anyway, it's not going to last beyond the next general European conflict. But I got the impression that it was a bit too early yet to stage another one.
Alex Richards
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Renember, Burgundy has a large number of French people in it, much more than old Imperial A-L
Okay, I believe it will be only logical for Britain to eventually join the US in this TL. I mean, all the countries with Anglo-settlers, America, South Africa, Uber-Argentina, Australasia, are part of it. Once the UK is without an empire and defeated horribly by the Krauts, were else will she have to go? The Limeys will probably reluctantly ask for closer ties with their English-speaking brothers, eventually resulting in Union membership.
Eurofed
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Difficult to say, my leave of absence is about to expire and there's an interesting thread about alternate US states that I was willing to review and hopefully fish for ideas (too bad it did not start earlier). Besides, I terribly suck at meeting deadlines anyway.
here.
Some overdue and all too brief vacation
The term is fine, just usually used for military vacations.
Minor amounts of further research. I guess the Ottomans had more of Sudan, and Russia didn't have all of Central Asia. Apparently, Iran/Persia had a small amount of what is now Turkmenistan. I have a few doubts, but I think it's more accurate than my last. I'm still assuming that standard historical colonizing continues, unless stated otherwise.
I'm basing it off a map I found here (ok, it's from wikipedia, but I'm going with it) from about 1937. I figure it would be roughly accurate for this timeline.
At the same time, I am working on a map based on the more common base maps used on AH.com, but it's still a work in progress for now.
Grr. Now I have to do more work.
Seriously, thanks. My wikipedia-surfing skills appear to be limited.