"United States" in Spanish Empire-wank World

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, this one's follow the usual POD of the lovely Spanish Empire-wank. The Grand and Fortunate Armada landed in England in 1587 and deposed Elizabeth, replacing her with Queen Mary of Scotland (thus, Mary I). See the year? It was because Battle of Cadiz (or 1587 Drake Expedition) never took place. Maybe this because Elizabeth's message to Francis Drake not to attack Spanish ships was received, or maybe because the expedition was destroyed by a storm.

Anyway, the Spanish Empire succeded in ruling England. The Holy Empire of Europa then created with the unification of Spanish, French, and English thrones. King Phillip (and his heirs) ruled a Latin-speaking, Catholic-dominated Europe where Protestanism was crushed. THe colonies in the New World were expanded and united until...

Revolution. How can this happened here? The Empire collapsed by some devastating continental wars fighting this new threat. The remnants were small nations, although some have more energy to be stable. The Ottomans invaded Balkan (again) until the gates of Prague. The Russians and Swedes compete with each other to rule Central Europe.

But that isn't the focus of this Thread. Instead, we go to the New World, where the revolution which collapsed the Empire started. What would be the style of this government? I don't think a "United States" would be the same as OTL, so...

Thank you.

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Eeh, I actually not too familiar to the royal families at that time. So if Mary not be the queen, who would?
I read in a other TL that the Spanish installed some guy to be "Henry IX", but I don't know him.

So what will this "United States" would be like? Some militant?
 
Sorry; Mary of Scotland was executed a year before the Armada sailed. I think Philip would've given himself the crown as the ex-husband of Mary (Elizabeth's half-sister) - the English would've called him illegitimate, but they wouldn't have liked him anyway. :rolleyes:

But as for the revolution - without American influence, I think the two possibilities would've been a mestizo race-based revolution, or an aristocratic revolution against some new acts of the Spanish Crown. Perhaps some king could actually try to enforce the Papal bulls against slavery, and the aristocrats decide to rebel instead - and perhaps even take up the lost banner of Protestantism? And then, seeing that Spain has suddenly lost its main source of money, all the downtrodden European nations rise in revolt!
 
Loh, ada kamu !! :eek:

What brings you here ? :D

Anyway, IIRC by this time British has yet to establish any successful colony in the Americas.

And also, one more nitpick. I'm not sure what do you mean about Ottomans invading Balkans again, since until 1878 IOTL, Balkans were their powerbase, the Java of Ottoman Empire.
 
Sorry; Mary of Scotland was executed a year before the Armada sailed. I think Philip would've given himself the crown as the ex-husband of Mary (Elizabeth's half-sister) - the English would've called him illegitimate, but they wouldn't have liked him anyway. :rolleyes:

Also, I quite doubt that the personal union would last beyond him. Heck even he would likely to live longer than the personal union itself. Though the occupation can actually last for a fair while...

And I don't think I get the French bit at all :confused:
 
Thanks, everyone.
As for Mr. Ridwan Asher, I read Pavane, so...
The colonies which I mentioned were not by the English, but by Spain itself. Without competition with the Brits, I imagined it would grow larger than OTL, maybe as big as USA, plus New Spain and friends. Maybe even Australasia too.

Does Spanish Empire had plantation system like Old South using meztizo slaves? If it had, maybe this Commonwealth of [insert exotic name here] would be like the American Civil War
 
By the way, this topic has been discussed for several times in this site.

https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=161816&highlight=Spanish+Armada

https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=161730&highlight=Spanish+Armada

https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=143176&highlight=Spanish+Armada

https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=132169&highlight=Spanish+Armada


The Summary I got from skimming those threads : the struggle presented for the landed Spanish troops will be bloody, but winnable indeed. However, less than taking throne, I think Phillip will be satisfied by a weak, stable enough, Spanish-depended, Catholic England. It'll be much more of england-screw than a spain-wank, though, so no Holy Empire of Europe, baring ASB of course.

*United States* question still stands though. But without English tradition, it won't be about representation in the central diet. And pretty much no decisive possibilities here....
 
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