United Nations as its own country

This is pretty much technothriller ASB, but anyways-

What would it take to turn the U.N. (or the League of Nations, or whatever wannabe world government in this timeline) to turn into a rampaging world power? However, I'm not talking about the U.N. acting as a world government. Such a U.N. run amok would just be the Big 5 and the other world powers deciding to band together to rule the world through the U.N. What I'm thinking about instead is what if the actual organization of the United Nations, and not the member states themselves, went crazy.

Basically, it would fulfill all of those '90s paranoia fever-dreams of black helicopters and world police taking away your firearms. Such a scheme would have no basis in reality, because the only powers capable of creating such a dystopia- the aforementioned world powers (U.S., Russia, China, Europe, etc.) have no inclination in doing that. I've always found those conspiracy theories to be rather colorless as well- it wouldn't be nondenominational jackbooted commie thugs crushing the U.S.- it'd be Russian commie thugs, or Chinese commie thugs, or French ones, or whatever.

But what if the organization itself did go crazy? What if the U.N. effectively became it's own country? Let's say it starts with the nascent world government being granted territory to conduct its diplomatic affairs and all of the global administrative survey stuff and aid work from. Then it forms its own military force far more cohesive and ecumenical than the peacekeepers- soldiers who join it must relinquish their citizenships of origin to join it. In fact, so do most of the administrative staff as well. The secretary-general and his cronies definitely have no citizenship but to "the world." Say they not only get a military force, but an international police agency to capture int'l criminals, and prosecution through the World Court. And so on and on and so forth and the U.N. is not a creation of all the nations, but effectively a nation of itself with international jurisdiction.

I also want to throw in my seed idea again- this super-U.N. recruits child soldiers and young refugees, rehabilitating them and also training them as its own private military force.
 
This is almost ASB enough to make me want to cry. But I'll give it a moment...

It is an interesting idea, but I don't see how plausible it is. For one thing, the US or whoever this new UN country is on could prod it and it'd collapse, especially in its early stages. Personally, and I might be a little naive when it comes to things like this, but I would hope that people would be paying enough attention to nip something like this in the bud.
 

Hnau

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You've heard of the Morgenthau plan, right? West Germany, in this plan, was to become an International Zone, effectively belonging to all countries. You could start from there.

Somehow, the Morgenthau plan is put into action... perhaps less of a threat from the Communists? Anyway, this leads to the creation of a certain wing in the United Nations that provides a government for all of the international territory in the world. It might even have a federal structure, with local governments answering to a federal government that is put together by the United Nations, with every country having a say.

This might lead to the U.N. becoming more democratic, and without the Security Council.

More than likely, however, for all of this to work the United Nations needs to be a much more different organization. Create an earlier philosopher that preaches the benefits of a democratic world government. Make the United Nations a body that only accepts democratic nations, and merge its responsibilities with that of NATO. Create some kind of 'world government' movement that pushes for a union of all countries under it.

Hmm... you might even toss the UN Mandates into International Territory. More to work with, definitely.
 
You've heard of the Morgenthau plan, right? West Germany, in this plan, was to become an International Zone, effectively belonging to all countries. You could start from there.

Somehow, the Morgenthau plan is put into action... perhaps less of a threat from the Communists? Anyway, this leads to the creation of a certain wing in the United Nations that provides a government for all of the international territory in the world. It might even have a federal structure, with local governments answering to a federal government that is put together by the United Nations, with every country having a say.

This might lead to the U.N. becoming more democratic, and without the Security Council.

More than likely, however, for all of this to work the United Nations needs to be a much more different organization. Create an earlier philosopher that preaches the benefits of a democratic world government. Make the United Nations a body that only accepts democratic nations, and merge its responsibilities with that of NATO. Create some kind of 'world government' movement that pushes for a union of all countries under it.

Hmm... you might even toss the UN Mandates into International Territory. More to work with, definitely.


Well, there was a council of mandates and trusteeships, but the problem is the UN need a military force to back it up.
 
What about Iraq or something similar like this. A great power has something messed up and is giving it to the UN to clear it away.
Just a minor thought...

May I steal this idea?
 
United Nations might be a democratic country.

Not likely. It would be the world, in some sence, who decide. Not the citizens of UNia or whatever it's called. Just look at the Vatican. It's not the Vaticans (or whatever they are called), it's outsiders who choses the pope.

Or like Washington DC. They can't cose their representatives.
 
Or like Washington DC. They can't cose their representatives.

They have one non-voting delegate on the House of Representatives. (I still find ironic that the citizens of the capital of the most powerful country in the world can't even have representation in their own legislative groups :D)
 
Not likely. It would be the world, in some sence, who decide. Not the citizens of UNia or whatever it's called. Just look at the Vatican. It's not the Vaticans (or whatever they are called), it's outsiders who choses the pope.

Well ,there could be a slow progression in this direction for a while. Like the UN giving posts and the like rather to citizens of "UNia" being raised in UN schools teachign their doctrine or catering to their needs. So the organisation slowly outgrows it`s need for foreign support, democratizises more and comes to bad terms with the security council powers...
 
Let’s say that the UN starts taking control of failed states in some parts of the world. Let’s say that in the next few years the UN takes control of the government in countries like Somalia and Iraq in order bring order to the chaos these nations live in.

Then the local populations vote to keep the UN government ship instead of becoming fully independent and responsible for their own self rule – with the risk of returning to the previous situation of turmoil.

After these two first interventions, the UN government in territories needing a guiding hand expands quickly in the third world, specially in Africa, the Middle East, Latin America and Southeast Asia.

After the experience of being ruled by the UN technocrats that bring peace (if only that) and some prosperity, the long impoverished populations keep vote to maintain the UN rule. At some point the UN will have to organize these territories along the lines of the traditional Nation States in order to be able to administer them efficiently. The UN Federation is born.
 
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I think the great powers would withdraw their funding along this lines ... "Hey, they have their own taxpayers now."

Or not... If they kept those troublesome hotspots under control without the need to need for constly and endless peacekeeping missions...
 
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