United Kingdom of England and Portugal

The language, the religion, the political regime, the absense of geographical continuity are just some obvious facts.

Languages and religon would be issues, yes, though depending on the PoD, religion may not be.

Geographic continuity is essentually null though, throughout history and in the modern world their have been and continue to countries that are'nt geographically contiguous.


That's the intelligent way to preserve and make the most of the good things others have. England was allways a powerfull nation, but always had this great wisdom.

England only became powerful in the 15th/16th centuries, with its real power only coming in the 19th century.
 
Yes, but, well in the end their's not a whole lot you can do on the other continents, I mean their's Africa, but half of it is a giant desert and the other half is a climate Europeans find uncomfortable and Asia is sorta-kind a full, their's Asutralia to, but yeah, it's not exactly going to be an attractive option, which in the end leads to the Amercia's becoming the primary centers of power if they remain.

You're forgetting France, 'Spain', 'Germany' and Russia.
Did you think that they won't support wars of independence, at least secretly. And will build up empires of their own; and I even forgot to mention the Dutch;).

Anyway I'm not convinced that America will turn into a duopoly.
 
You're forgetting France, 'Spain', 'Germany' and Russia.
Did you think that they won't support wars of independence, at least secretly. And will build up empires of their own; and I even forgot to mention the Dutch;).

Anyway I'm not convinced that America will turn into a duopoly.

I did'nt forget them, just Anglo-Portugal is the theme of the thread.

The map was just what I think could happen if, as USJ asked, a major rivalry between Spain and Anglo-Portugal (histrocially the two/three primary powers of the America's) developed.
 
Perhaps the the POD could be soon after England is conquered by the Normans, and the union happens in the 12th century.

Both the English and the Portuguese would conquer and resettle the area of Andalusia that Portugal took OTL, since Portugal was just a county at the time.


The English Empire would soon contain England, Normandy, Sicily, Portugal, and Antioch.
 
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I did'nt forget them, just Anglo-Portugal is the theme of the thread.

The map was just what I think could happen if, as USJ asked, a major rivalry between Spain and Anglo-Portugal (histrocially the two/three primary powers of the America's) developed.

OTOH this duopoly could make it easier for European rivals, besides you're using OTL for your ATL, but OTOH we all do that sometimes...
 
OTOH this duopoly could make it easier for European rivals, besides you're using OTL for your ATL, but OTOH we all do that sometimes...

Their is a reason I only showed the America's. :p

I'm assuming they'd go for the America's since, well the America's, once they're discovered will be colonized, since they have low population levels (compared to Europe or Asia) and actually have a climate Europeans are comfortable in.
 
It would be all dandy until the first war between England-Portugal and Castile-Aragon, when Portugal would be absorbed into Spain, probably permanently. After all, Portugal barely escaped Aragon's fate in OTL's Iberian Union. The upshot is the large and skilled Portuguese population in England and Anglo-America.
Also, Lopes becomes a common West Country surname.
 
It would be all dandy until the first war between England-Portugal and Castile-Aragon, when Portugal would be absorbed into Spain, probably permanently. After all, Portugal barely escaped Aragon's fate in OTL's Iberian Union. The upshot is the large and skilled Portuguese population in England and Anglo-America.
Also, Lopes becomes a common West Country surname.

OTOH this is also a golden opportunity for rivals such as France...
 
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