United europe

Hey guys I need your help

Is their anyway to form Europe into an alliance before ww1

I need Britain France and Germany and Austria-Hungary to be in the alliance

Bonus points for Russia but they are not needed. (Russia can be commie or not )

If I can get the four ablove In An alliance I can figure out the rest

Thanks to anyone who gives this ago
 
A tall order.

What you need is overwhelming threat from the outside that will make them forget their rivalries and join together to counter it. I frankly cannot see who could create such a threat. OTOH, maybe if you have a successful communist revolution somewhere? But it must be either Russia or USA for it to work. No other country would be strong enough to endanger all European powers at once.
 
A tall order.

What you need is overwhelming threat from the outside that will make them forget their rivalries and join together to counter it. I frankly cannot see who could create such a threat. OTOH, maybe if you have a successful communist revolution somewhere? But it must be either Russia or USA for it to work. No other country would be strong enough to endanger all European powers at once.

Well what I am planning is going to be ASB so I think I could manage something.
What if Russia was attacked around 1910 and fell completely by an unknown force despite aid from France.
Would that be enought to make France and Germany see eye to eye?
 
1. Alien Space Bats.

You need aliens, or something out of Jules Verne.

2. The Reds

Marx doesn't go into exile in London, but to New York and somehow his seeds fall on fertile grounds in the industrialized cities in the East. The 2nd American Revolution finds a counterpart in Russia in 1906 (following the 1905-revolution). Both nations form an alliance to spread Global Revolution, threatening bourgeois rule in Europe and elsewhere.

3. The Yellows

The Industrial Revolution happens in China as well, starting in the mid-18th-century. By 1900, China has subdued Japan and Indochina (having thrown out the French) and successfully wages a two-front-war against the British in India and Russia. The Tsar and the King of England plea for Willy's help. Afraid of the yellow danger, he joins their alliance and drags Austria-Hungary with him. France follows in order to regain Indochina.
 
Would Germany not annexing Alsace Lorraine like Bismarck suggested to the new emperor help?

I want them formed before the "event"
 
Would Germany not annexing Alsace Lorraine like Bismarck suggested to the new emperor help?

I want them formed before the "event"

I do not think it possible. Whatever event you envision would be defining moment for your United Europe.

It is colonial and industrial interests that more fueled the rivalry than whatever perceived territorial gains in border areas did. Not that refraining from annexing A-L would not help. Just it would not help ENOUGH for France to forego its enmity on Germans. Or your event must be something that could be anticipated with few years prior so countries can recognize the common interest comes before petty conflicts over some distant parts of Earth.
 
I do not think it possible. Whatever event you envision would be defining moment for your United Europe.

It is colonial and industrial interests that more fueled the rivalry than whatever perceived territorial gains in border areas did. Not that refraining from annexing A-L would not help. Just it would not help ENOUGH for France to forego its enmity on Germans. Or your event must be something that could be anticipated with few years prior so countries can recognize the common interest comes before petty conflicts over some distant parts of Earth.

Okay what about no annexing AL and a communist revolution in Russia and AH becoming Danubia after annexing Serbia and a small civil war following.

Germany allies with britain and AH following Bismarks advice
France not having another strong European power as an ally won't risk war
Maybe some sort of small left and right wing confrontation in France leads to a sort of EU being formed

If a german takes the Spanish throne then Spain and pourtugal shall be in

After that Italy and Greece will join easily as will the rest of the Balkans
And scandanavia

Maybe have the USA elect Rosevelt (the awesome original one ;) ) as president who goes over an millitary expansion for the modern war which draws Europe closer

Maybe Europe reminds itself of the 8 nation alliance as it's goal?
 
Europe dosnt have to be best buds just have some kind of order
Lime a early UN bit only consisting of European powers

The lesser nations will join after the event

America will also be late in te war um i mean event...
 
In essence you want to reestablish Concert of Europe, but only a bit more formalized? Russian revolution will do nicely I think and you won't need an ASB event. Just have them do worse in 1905/06 for some reason such as bad harvest or something.
 
Impossible. Even presented with an outside threat the best you can hope for is an alliance between the great powers due to common interest.
 
I feel like it has to be either Russia that somehow becomes much more threatening, ASBs or a further back POD than 1900.
 
Impossible. Even presented with an outside threat the best you can hope for is an alliance between the great powers due to common interest.

Well this entirely depends on the nature of the war itself, doesn't it? If they forge bonds by blood in the hard fought war that lasts several years and French soldiers start seeing their German counterparts as brothers, why not?
 
SHABY

Yeah a concert of Europe

Also the ASB event dose happen but it's main effect won't be until a few decade latter



SENDO

How is it so impossible the EU was made because of the iron curtain

So why not with order falling everywhere will Europe band together and eventually evolve.

It's not like theirs going to be major colonial wars

We have a more democratic AH and a less arrogant Germany also a France that still has most of it's pride.

Theirs the threat of the USA and of the collapsing Russia and growing Japan
These nations just want to make Europe stable
 
pre-1900 you could have a successful UK-Germany-A-H alliance. To get Frannce in there, too, might be difficult but possible.

Kind regards,
G.
 
pre-1900 you could have a successful UK-Germany-A-H alliance. To get Frannce in there, too, might be difficult but possible.

Kind regards,
G.

Thanks France is the trickiest nation to get to join bit once they have I can start writing my TL
 
This work?


HAVNT SORTED THE DATES OUT YET



Franco prussian war no annexation

germany agrees to a small fleet content woth being a european power though does gain several colonies

8 nation alliance against china. Disbands when the job is finished

brit-german alliance

russo japanese war

austria joins alliance

THE DEATH SPREADS THROUGH SIBERIA KILLING OVER A MILLION PEOPLE

russian revolution

AH invades serbia

AH kicked from alliance

alliance intervenes in russia

Romanov saved

Brest-Litov treaty (not puppet of germany)

USSR enters Isolation

AH civil war

France endures political turmoil between left and right a france finds itself with no friends on the continent

Danubia formed

pourtugal and belgium join aliance as does the eastern europea nations

Democracy prevails in france

threat of Ussr make france and Danubia join alliance though uneasily

Italy Joins
 
Last edited:
Top