United & Confederated Empire of México

Hey, I just started with this idea i've been trying to develop for the last few months, and I would like opinions on it, as I'm new here and this would be my first AH work.
This idea is about a near future where a revolution erupts in México in the year 2013, leading the U.S. and it's allies to intervene on the rebel side, hoping to reestablish democracy in México after a short but brutal dictatorship. So, they spend significant resources on this war, leaving them unprepared for a combined Russian-North Korean-Chinese-Iranian invasion. The President of the United States is killed a short time after the war in México was won by the rebels and their leader quickly elected President of México. With a rapid shock-and-awe campaign in the U.S., the invaders occupy the country. This leaves American troops still stationed in México without leadership. Having had fought alongside the new Mexican President in the war, they had come to respect him for his leadership and his strategic, operational and tactical skills. With no leader, the defect to the Mexican President, who then leads a combined Mexican-American army into the U.S.
So basically the invaders start facing their own serious internal problems and they have to pull back most of their forces, leaving the Mexican-Americans free to brush aside the few troops that stayed. So it goes around that way and soon the whole American people, along with the Mexicans, start worshiping and acclaiming this new leader who eventually crowns himself "Emperor of México, King of Louisiana-Mississippi, King of Florida and King of New York".

Im also thinking about developing this alternate world into one were people all over the planet start losing faith in republics after prolonged warfare and chaos, and slowly turn back toward monarchies, hoping a single, strong sovereign will protect them and their nations, something like what happened when the Roman Empire fell and feudalism arose soon afterwards. Im thinking about an Empire of Canada, an Empire of Brazil, a United Kingdom of the Antilles, a Kingdom of Valparaíso, a Kingdom of Araucanía, an independent Kingdom of Siberia, and events like a War of Hellenic Succession and a Siberian-Alaskan War.

So please tell me what do you think of this, give me your constructive criticism, your suggestions and anything you would like to say:D:D
 

Spengler

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Ummm okay so you want Mexico to become some sort of superpower right after going through a brutal civil war? Do you know how ASB that is? Also this alliance of Iran Russia China and North korea sounds like a bad thriller novel. There is no way that it could occur.
 
I mentioned the dictatorship was brutal, but the war not really. Government troops were demoralized and didn't put up much fight. Ok, so you think the Grand Eastern alliance is improbable, and sure, it's starting to look that way. Any ideas?
The superpower thing, I know it would take a long, long, long time. But hey, Americans are supposed to be hard-working and innovative. They started as a bunch of British renegades and they became the world's archetypical superpower. And I can tell you Mexicans have spirit. So after some years, I think they could recover.:)
 
We have forums for stuff like this, the first one is the more appropriate one of the two:

https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/forumdisplay.php?f=9

https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/forumdisplay.php?f=22

Unless you are going back a long time to weaken the US Military severly this is complete ASB.

There is an obstacle to any invasion to the United States called the US Third Fleet. The US Third Fleet could take on all of those navies including the Royal Navy and French Navy and still win. Any invasion of the Mainland US will end with the entire invasion fleet getting sunk. End of story.

The Russians or Chinese wouldn't win in an air-superiority campaign against the US Air Force. The F-22 and F-15 will slaughter whatever Migs that come across the Atlantic or Pacific. Considering the problem is how the Russians and Chinese would get there in the first place with certainly no sea based land cover after the US Navy has some fun with the Russian and Chinese Navies. So that is the end of the Story.

The idea that American Troops would rally behind a Mexican leader is just stupid. Why would Mexico also become a Superpower after going through a Civil War and it would not annex the US. Also, what happened to the Vice President? Then if they died what would happen to the Speaker of the House? You would think that they would succeed the President in the order defined by the Constitution and organize the defense of the nation. It also isn't like the US Military in Mexico can't withdraw to fight the invaders in the US.

Ian, or Glen needs to move this thread to ASB.
 
Thanks for the replies. I know this story has a lot of loopholes and is ASBey. So I guess, like you said, I'll have to go back to an earlier period and deal a huge blow to American military supremacy if I ever want this story to work. Please be gentle, it's my first thread:)
 
Thanks for the replies. I know this story has a lot of loopholes and is ASBey. So I guess, like you said, I'll have to go back to an earlier period and deal a huge blow to American military supremacy if I ever want this story to work. Please be gentle, it's my first thread:)

I am just saying there are extreme problems with this Military wise . Mainly how are the Chinese or Russians supposed to beat the US Military? Espically a US Navy that has owned the seas for 3/4's of a Century. During the Cold War the Russians had no hope of building a large surface fleet to beat the USN. The Americans had the larger Economy to spend on defense, and they didn't need the massive Army the Russians had. The other problem is by 2013 how can the Chinese and Russians get a Navy to defeat the USN? Because any attempt to be able to build a fleet to beat the US Navy would be met by larger American buildup. The Chinese are unlikely to be able to do this unless, you can somehow butterfly away the Chinese Civil War. There are problems with that in how exactly will you get a China that would be Anti-American. Considering the problem is that it is a Russian and not a Soviet Fleet, the USSR still collapsed. That would mean the US would be the world's #1 Power. Anyway, this Scenario is in my opinion, largely unworkable. In some techno-thriller novel , it would be a nice story. In the sort of ultra-realism that people like to embrace here, I doubt many people would like it.
 
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