Abdul Hadi Pasha
Banned
That was an overstatement on his part. But taking REAL genocides like the Holocaust and trying to piggy-back fake ones on them to promote modern political agenda belittles the tragedies that have occurred. In the case of the Armenian Genocide, the Armenian side immediately labels anyone that disagrees with their highly ideological distortion of history "denialist", when nobody is denying anything.
What most ACTUAL scholars think is that:
- About 600,000 Armenians died, about half of them due to forced relocation by the Ottoman authorities and half due to other wartime conditions. Almost all of these died of famine and disease, not massacre. The number that did die of massacre is still very large, something like 50,000, but a far cry from 2 million.
- There is no evidence the Ottoman authorities had any intention of destroying the Armenians - that is why they were left alone in the capital and outside the war zone. There is not one single document to back this up - there are no concentration camps, no infrastructure to accomplish a genocide, no mass graves in Turkey (except for Muslims massacred by the Armenians, which are still being turned up), etc. Contrast that with the Holocaust, where the physical and paperwork evidence is so extensive. You can't kill four million people and leave no trail of evidence whatsoever. (The current claim is 2M Armenians, 1M Greeks, and 1M Assyrians, the last of which is a greater number than the total amount of Assyrians that have ever lived)
- The Armenians committed equal or greater atrocities in the same period, both in the Ottoman Empire and in the Caucasus.
Someday soon I'll write an essay about this, sourced and everything so we can never have to discuss it ever again.
What most ACTUAL scholars think is that:
- About 600,000 Armenians died, about half of them due to forced relocation by the Ottoman authorities and half due to other wartime conditions. Almost all of these died of famine and disease, not massacre. The number that did die of massacre is still very large, something like 50,000, but a far cry from 2 million.
- There is no evidence the Ottoman authorities had any intention of destroying the Armenians - that is why they were left alone in the capital and outside the war zone. There is not one single document to back this up - there are no concentration camps, no infrastructure to accomplish a genocide, no mass graves in Turkey (except for Muslims massacred by the Armenians, which are still being turned up), etc. Contrast that with the Holocaust, where the physical and paperwork evidence is so extensive. You can't kill four million people and leave no trail of evidence whatsoever. (The current claim is 2M Armenians, 1M Greeks, and 1M Assyrians, the last of which is a greater number than the total amount of Assyrians that have ever lived)
- The Armenians committed equal or greater atrocities in the same period, both in the Ottoman Empire and in the Caucasus.
Someday soon I'll write an essay about this, sourced and everything so we can never have to discuss it ever again.
What a surprise! I´d like to point out that I know Germans (not from this forum) who think exactly the same about the Holocaust. Furthermore I´m a bit irritated by the casual denial and downplaying of mass muerder.
Yeah, the thread should be closed!
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