Union and Liberty: An American TL

[wilcoxchar]

Next world overview section is done. The rankings are estimated from the data I could find, so the nations by area and some of the rankings for the cities and countries might be a bit off.

The World in a New Century, Section IV: General Facts
Published by the McNally Corporation in Chicago, 1901.

Largest Nations by area:
1. British Empire
2. Russian Empire
3. France and Possessions
4. Chinese Empire
5. Brazilian Empire
6. United States and Possessions
7. German Empire

Largest Nations by population:
1. Chinese Empire
2. British Empire
3. Russian Empire
4. France and Possessions
5. German Empire
6. United States and Possessions
7. Turkish Empire

Largest Cities in the World:
1. London, England
2. Paris, France
3. New York City, US
4. Berlin, Germany
5. Tokyo, Japan
6. Saint Petersburg, Russia
7. Brooklyn, US
8. Canton, China
9. Vienna, Germany
10. Philadelphia, US
11. Moscow, Russia
12. Constantinople, Turkey
13. Calcutta, India
14. Hamburg, Germany
15. Chicago, US
16. Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
17. Manchester, England
18. Osaka, Japan
19. Bombay, India
20. Glasgow, Scotland
21. Barcelona, Spain
22. Saint Louis, US
23. Marseille, France
24. Budapest, Hungary
25. Seoul, Korea

Largest Cities in the United States:
1. New York City, New York
2. Brooklyn, New York
3. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
4. Chicago, Illinois
5. Saint Louis, Missouri
6. Baltimore, Maryland
7. Indianapolis, Indiana
8. New Orleans, Louisiana
9. Boston, Massachusetts
10. Cleveland, Ohio
11. Havana, Cuba
12. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
13. Detroit, Michigan
14. Buffalo, New York
15. Louisville, Kentucky
16. Washington, DC
17. Jersey City, New Jersey
18. Cincinnati, Ohio
19. Newark, New Jersey
20. New Haven, Connecticut
21. Milwaukee, Marquette
22. Syracuse, New York
23. Allegheny, Pennsylvania
24. Mobile, Alabama
25. Evansville, Indiana


Populations and General Facts About the States [1]

Alabama
Population: 1,978,000
Capital: Montgomery
Largest City: Mobile

Arkansaw
Population: 951,000
Capital: Little Rock
Largest City: Little Rock

Calhoun
Population: 818,000
Capital: Orangetown (Fort Gibson)
Largest City: Stuyvesant (McAlester)

Champoeg
Population: 476,000
Capital: Norfolk (Portland)
Largest City: Norfolk

Chickasaw
Population: 872,000
Capital: Memphis
Largest City: Memphis

Colorado
Population: 899,000
Capital: Ferroplano (Boulder)
Largest City: Ferroplano

Connecticut
Population: 1,271,000
Capital: Hartford
Largest City: New Haven

Cuba
Population: 3,785,000
Capital: Havana
Largest City: Havana

Delaware
Population: 432,000
Capital: Dover
Largest City: Wilmington

Demoine
Population: 1,244,000
Capital: Waterloo
Largest City: Decatur (approx. Humboldt)

Florida
Population: 980,000
Capital: Jacksonville
Largest City: Gadsden (Tampa)

Georgia
Population: 1,982,000
Capital: Athens
Largest City: Atlanta

Houston
Population: 1,211,000
Capital: Austin (Washington-on-the-Brazos)
Largest City: Galveston

Illinois
Population: 4,657,000
Capital: Springfield
Largest City: Chicago

Indiana
Population: 4,736,000
Capital: Indianapolis
Largest City: Indianapolis

Itasca
Population: 1,061,000
Capital: Duluth
Largest City: Saint Paul

Jackson
Population: 1,297,000
Capital: Pensacola
Largest City: Pensacola

Kearney
Population: 522,000
Capital: Kearney City
Largest City: Kearney City

Kentucky
Population: 3,309,000
Capital: Frankfort
Largest City: Louisville

Kootenay
Population: 182,000
Capital: Colville
Largest City: New Belfast (Kelowna)

Louisiana
Population: 3,015,000
Capital: Baton Rouge
Largest City: New Orleans

Maine
Population: 1,206,000
Capital: Augusta
Largest City: Portland

Marquette
Population: 1,139,000
Capital: Green Bay
Largest City: Milwaukee

Maryland
Population: 3,221,000
Capital: Annapolis
Largest City: Baltimore

Massachusetts
Population: 4,207,000
Capital: Boston
Largest City: Boston

Michigan
Population: 1,707,000
Capital: Saginaw
Largest City: Detroit

Mississippi
Population: 1,372,000
Capital: Jackson
Largest City: Natchez

Missouri
Population: 4,234,000
Capital: Jefferson City
Largest City: Saint Louis

New Hampshire
Population: 897,000
Capital: Concord
Largest City: Portsmouth

New Jersey
Population: 2,579,000
Capital: Trenton
Largest City: Jersey City

New Mexico
Population: 313,000
Capital: Santa Fe
Largest City: Santa Fe

New York
Population: 8,637,000
Capital: Albany
Largest City: New York City

North Carolina
Population: 2,057,000
Capital: Raleigh
Largest City: Wilmington

Ohio
Population: 5,329,000
Capital: Columbus
Largest City: Cleveland

Oregon
Population: 238,000
Capital: Lewiston (Everrett)
Largest City: Tacoma

Pembina
Population: 441,000
Capital: Yankton
Largest City: Anselm (Chamberlain)

Pennsylvania
Population: 7,155,000
Capital: Harrisburg
Largest City: Philadelphia

Rhode Island
Population: 633,000
Capital: Providence
Largest City: Newport

South Carolina
Population: 1,280,000
Capital: Columbia
Largest City: Charleston

Tennessee
Population: 1,991,000
Capital: Nashville
Largest City: Chattanooga

Tejas
Population: 2,050,000
Capital: San Antonio
Largest City: San Antonio

Vandalia
Population: 1,117,000
Capital: Wheeling
Largest City: Huntington

Vermont
Population: 894,000
Capital: Montpelier
Largest City: Burlington

Virginia
Population: 1,604,000
Capital: Richmond
Largest City: Norfolk

Winfield
Population: 1,261,000
Capital: Culpepper
Largest City: Fredericksburg

[1] Populations are rounded to the nearest thousand. Parentheses contain the OTL city, or the closest to the location.

 

[QuoProQuid]

You should have waited about an hour to post that. Then we'd be able to see the rankings at 11:11 PM EST. Good update, nonetheless.


Has Ohio's capital moved around much in this timeline. If I remember correctly, it got shifted around a lot during the 1800s. Any chances of another city usurping Columbus?

EDIT: Turns out I am not remembering correctly. Ohio's capital hasn't moved since 1816.

 

[Unknown]

Footnote 2 is missing, Wilcoxchar.

Other than that, good update.

 

[wilcoxchar]

Oops, there actually wasn't supposed to be a footnote 2. At first I wasn't actually sure if Kelowna was in Kootenay or not, but I looked into it more and saw tha it was.

 

[Winston Smith]

How much longer is Baden going to last? It offends my sense of Greater Germaness that it is independent. Futhermore, since France and Germany are allied ITTL, any Polish State that might come into exsistance is going to be much smaller then OTL.

 

[Utgard96]

How much longer is Baden going to last? It offends my sense of Greater Germaness that it is independent. Futhermore, since France and Germany are allied ITTL, any Polish State that might come into exsistance is going to be much smaller then OTL.

I agree; Germany should subsume it! Of course, this might make the French think they're going to dab Alsace-Lorraine first, in which case Franco-German friendship will go all to hell.

Also, what is the state of Germany exactly?

 

[Mumby]

Liechtenstein managed to maintain their independence in similar circumstances, so why not here. Nobody said that the map of Europe had to be LOGICAL or REASONABLE.

 

[wilcoxchar]

How much longer is Baden going to last? It offends my sense of Greater Germaness that it is independent. Futhermore, since France and Germany are allied ITTL, any Polish State that might come into exsistance is going to be much smaller then OTL.

France is very wary of German aggression if they get Baden, since if France concedes Baden, Germany might want Alsace-Lorraine as well (those Prussians are always so hungry for land). And the Grand Duke of Baden knows that Baden wouldn't get concessions of autonomy like Bavaria and Hanover if its annexed by Germany. On the other side, Germany greatly values France as an ally on the continent, and wouldn't want to risk alienating France at the moment. And France hasn't seemed to mind Germany's expansion so far as long as it's away from France.

I agree; Germany should subsume it! Of course, this might make the French think they're going to dab Alsace-Lorraine first, in which case Franco-German friendship will go all to hell.

Also, what is the state of Germany exactly?

Germany is a monarchy where the emperor has extensive powers, but also has a legislative government. Bavaria and Hanover are special regions with more autonomy. I'll get more into how the German government is structured further into the Europe overview.

Liechtenstein managed to maintain their independence in similar circumstances, so why not here. Nobody said that the map of Europe had to be LOGICAL or REASONABLE.

Indeed. IMO, geopolitical oddities like that are part of what make a map and a timeline realistic. The world is almost never completely neat and logical.

 

[QuoProQuid]

This has probably been mentioned before, but what type of government does Baden have? Does the government enjoy good public support?

As far as international relations go, is it essentially a bigger Luxemburg?

 

[Archangel]

Nice world overview, Wilcoxchar!

 

[Winston Smith]

France is very wary of German aggression if they get Baden, since if France concedes Baden, Germany might want Alsace-Lorraine as well (those Prussians are always so hungry for land). And the Grand Duke of Baden knows that Baden wouldn't get concessions of autonomy like Bavaria and Hanover if its annexed by Germany. On the other side, Germany greatly values France as an ally on the continent, and wouldn't want to risk alienating France at the moment. And France hasn't seemed to mind Germany's expansion so far as long as it's away from France.

Germany is a monarchy where the emperor has extensive powers, but also has a legislative government. Bavaria and Hanover are special regions with more autonomy. I'll get more into how the German government is structured further into the Europe overview.

Indeed. IMO, geopolitical oddities like that are part of what make a map and a timeline realistic. The world is almost never completely neat and logical.

Oh, so Baden ITTL equvilant of OTL Austria? That's a nice bit of alt histroical convergence.

 

[Utgard96]

Germany is a monarchy where the emperor has extensive powers, but also has a legislative government. Bavaria and Hanover are special regions with more autonomy. I'll get more into how the German government is structured further into the Europe overview.

I didn't mean how the German government is structured, I meant who is the emperor and the chancellor, and what issues the nation is struggling with.

 

[TaylorS]

Next world overview section is done. The rankings are estimated from the data I could find, so the nations by area and some of the rankings for the cities and countries might be a bit off.

The World in a New Century, Section IV: General Facts
Published by the McNally Corporation in Chicago, 1901.

Largest Nations by area:
1. British Empire
2. Russian Empire
3. France and Possessions
4. Chinese Empire
5. Brazilian Empire
6. United States and Possessions
7. German Empire

Largest Nations by population:
1. Chinese Empire
2. British Empire
3. Russian Empire
4. France and Possessions
5. German Empire
6. United States and Possessions
7. Turkish Empire

Largest Cities in the World:
1. London, England
2. Paris, France
3. New York City, US
4. Berlin, Germany
5. Tokyo, Japan
6. Saint Petersburg, Russia
7. Brooklyn, US
8. Canton, China
9. Vienna, Germany
10. Philadelphia, US
11. Moscow, Russia
12. Constantinople, Turkey
13. Calcutta, India
14. Hamburg, Germany
15. Chicago, US
16. Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
17. Manchester, England
18. Osaka, Japan
19. Bombay, India
20. Glasgow, Scotland
21. Barcelona, Spain
22. Saint Louis, US
23. Marseille, France
24. Budapest, Hungary
25. Seoul, Korea

Largest Cities in the United States:
1. New York City, New York
2. Brooklyn, New York
3. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
4. Chicago, Illinois
5. Saint Louis, Missouri
6. Baltimore, Maryland
7. Indianapolis, Indiana
8. New Orleans, Louisiana
9. Boston, Massachusetts
10. Cleveland, Ohio
11. Havana, Cuba
12. Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
13. Detroit, Michigan
14. Buffalo, New York
15. Louisville, Kentucky
16. Washington, DC
17. Jersey City, New Jersey
18. Cincinnati, Ohio
19. Newark, New Jersey
20. New Haven, Connecticut
21. Milwaukee, Marquette
22. Syracuse, New York
23. Allegheny, Pennsylvania
24. Mobile, Alabama
25. Evansville, Indiana


Populations and General Facts About the States [1]

Alabama
Population: 1,978,000
Capital: Montgomery
Largest City: Mobile

Arkansaw
Population: 951,000
Capital: Little Rock
Largest City: Little Rock

Calhoun
Population: 818,000
Capital: Orangetown (Fort Gibson)
Largest City: Stuyvesant (McAlester)

Champoeg
Population: 476,000
Capital: Norfolk (Portland)
Largest City: Norfolk

Chickasaw
Population: 872,000
Capital: Memphis
Largest City: Memphis

Colorado
Population: 899,000
Capital: Ferroplano (Boulder)
Largest City: Ferroplano

Connecticut
Population: 1,271,000
Capital: Hartford
Largest City: New Haven

Cuba
Population: 3,785,000
Capital: Havana
Largest City: Havana

Delaware
Population: 432,000
Capital: Dover
Largest City: Wilmington

Demoine
Population: 1,244,000
Capital: Waterloo
Largest City: Decatur (approx. Humboldt)

Florida
Population: 980,000
Capital: Jacksonville
Largest City: Gadsden (Tampa)

Georgia
Population: 1,982,000
Capital: Athens
Largest City: Atlanta

Houston
Population: 1,211,000
Capital: Austin (Washington-on-the-Brazos)
Largest City: Galveston

Illinois
Population: 4,657,000
Capital: Springfield
Largest City: Chicago

Indiana
Population: 4,736,000
Capital: Indianapolis
Largest City: Indianapolis

Itasca
Population: 1,061,000
Capital: Duluth
Largest City: Saint Paul

Jackson
Population: 1,297,000
Capital: Pensacola
Largest City: Pensacola

Kearney
Population: 522,000
Capital: Kearney City
Largest City: Kearney City

Kentucky
Population: 3,309,000
Capital: Frankfort
Largest City: Louisville

Kootenay
Population: 182,000
Capital: Colville
Largest City: New Belfast (Kelowna)

Louisiana
Population: 3,015,000
Capital: Baton Rouge
Largest City: New Orleans

Maine
Population: 1,206,000
Capital: Augusta
Largest City: Portland

Marquette
Population: 1,139,000
Capital: Green Bay
Largest City: Milwaukee

Maryland
Population: 3,221,000
Capital: Annapolis
Largest City: Baltimore

Massachusetts
Population: 4,207,000
Capital: Boston
Largest City: Boston

Michigan
Population: 1,707,000
Capital: Saginaw
Largest City: Detroit

Mississippi
Population: 1,372,000
Capital: Jackson
Largest City: Natchez

Missouri
Population: 4,234,000
Capital: Jefferson City
Largest City: Saint Louis

New Hampshire
Population: 897,000
Capital: Concord
Largest City: Portsmouth

New Jersey
Population: 2,579,000
Capital: Trenton
Largest City: Jersey City

New Mexico
Population: 313,000
Capital: Santa Fe
Largest City: Santa Fe

New York
Population: 8,637,000
Capital: Albany
Largest City: New York City

North Carolina
Population: 2,057,000
Capital: Raleigh
Largest City: Wilmington

Ohio
Population: 5,329,000
Capital: Columbus
Largest City: Cleveland

Oregon
Population: 238,000
Capital: Lewiston (Everrett)
Largest City: Tacoma

Pembina
Population: 441,000
Capital: Yankton
Largest City: Anselm (Chamberlain)

Pennsylvania
Population: 7,155,000
Capital: Harrisburg
Largest City: Philadelphia

Rhode Island
Population: 633,000
Capital: Providence
Largest City: Newport

South Carolina
Population: 1,280,000
Capital: Columbia
Largest City: Charleston

Tennessee
Population: 1,991,000
Capital: Nashville
Largest City: Chattanooga

Tejas
Population: 2,050,000
Capital: San Antonio
Largest City: San Antonio

Vandalia
Population: 1,117,000
Capital: Wheeling
Largest City: Huntington

Vermont
Population: 894,000
Capital: Montpelier
Largest City: Burlington

Virginia
Population: 1,604,000
Capital: Richmond
Largest City: Norfolk

Winfield
Population: 1,261,000
Capital: Culpepper
Largest City: Fredericksburg

[1] Populations are rounded to the nearest thousand. Parentheses contain the OTL city, or the closest to the location.

Could you make a map with the US state capitals and major cities, please? Some of us are visual people!

 

[TaylorS]

France is very wary of German aggression if they get Baden, since if France concedes Baden, Germany might want Alsace-Lorraine as well (those Prussians are always so hungry for land). And the Grand Duke of Baden knows that Baden wouldn't get concessions of autonomy like Bavaria and Hanover if its annexed by Germany. On the other side, Germany greatly values France as an ally on the continent, and wouldn't want to risk alienating France at the moment. And France hasn't seemed to mind Germany's expansion so far as long as it's away from France.

Germany is a monarchy where the emperor has extensive powers, but also has a legislative government. Bavaria and Hanover are special regions with more autonomy. I'll get more into how the German government is structured further into the Europe overview.

Indeed. IMO, geopolitical oddities like that are part of what make a map and a timeline realistic. The world is almost never completely neat and logical.

Interesting, so Baden is "Finlandized" like Finland was during the cold war, in a state of forced neutrality.

 

[wilcoxchar]

This has probably been mentioned before, but what type of government does Baden have? Does the government enjoy good public support?

As far as international relations go, is it essentially a bigger Luxemburg?

Baden is a grand duchy, with a Parliament. It was some public support, but there is a large minority that wants to join Germany.

Oh, so Baden ITTL equvilant of OTL Austria? That's a nice bit of alt histroical convergence.

Kind of. I wouldn't say it has a direct OTL equivalent. It's sort of a mix between interwar Austria and Luxembourg.

I didn't mean how the German government is structured, I meant who is the emperor and the chancellor, and what issues the nation is struggling with.

Oh. The emperor is Frederick III and the chancellor is Friedrich Naumann.

Could you make a map with the US state capitals and major cities, please? Some of us are visual people!

Yeah, I'll make a map of the US with cities soon.

 

[Winston Smith]

Baden is a grand duchy, with a Parliament. It was some public support, but there is a large minority that wants to join Germany.

Kind of. I wouldn't say it has a direct OTL equivalent. It's sort of a mix between interwar Austria and Luxembourg.

Oh. The emperor is Frederick III and the chancellor is Friedrich Naumann.

Yeah, I'll make a map of the US with cities soon.

So the possibilitily of Baden joining Germany remains? And I suppose that Germany is a parlimentary democracy, rather then the semi-absolutist monarchy of OTL at this point? ANd what about Hungry? I suppose the nobility their is rather powerful.

 

[Utgard96]

The emperor is Frederick III and the chancellor is Friedrich Naumann.

Sounds rather interesting; Friedrich III living longer is usually the best way to stabilise the German monarchy. One thing bugs me, though; Naumann was a commoner. All but one Chancellor in the German Empire were nobles. I don't think that Emperor Friedrich would have broken this tradition. And when did Bismarck go away? I know that he was dead by 1900 IOTL, but still, with Friedrich III on the throne, I see no reason why he shouldn't stay on until his death.

 

[wilcoxchar]

Sounds rather interesting; Friedrich III living longer is usually the best way to stabilise the German monarchy. One thing bugs me, though; Naumann was a commoner. All but one Chancellor in the German Empire were nobles. I don't think that Emperor Friedrich would have broken this tradition. And when did Bismarck go away? I know that he was dead by 1900 IOTL, but still, with Friedrich III on the throne, I see no reason why he shouldn't stay on until his death.

A lot of it is explained in this update. From what I read about Friedrich III when he was crown prince, he had liberal leanings and was quite often at odds with Bismarck. The appointment of Naumann probably angered a lot of the nobility, but I think it would be in line with Friedrich's liberal thinking. And as a nationalist, Naumann would somewhat placate the aristocracy (though not much). Friedrich is going to be facing a conservative backlash against a lot of his reform efforts.

 

[Koxinga]

i'd just like to reiterate how comical it is that the few really innovative and unique aspects of this TL (ex., California, Baden) are the things people want to change. Alternate History Discussion boards would seem to appeal to people more the less they actually pose really alternate possibilities. I for one congratulate Wilcox for creating something new, and for not bowing to the banal demands of those who would choose to replicate the structures of our own world and call them "alternate." It is the uncommon touches like Baden and California that so elevate this work over the various -wanks and -WIs that dominate the board and the broader alt hist discourse.

 

[Utgard96]

A lot of it is explained in this update. From what I read about Friedrich III when he was crown prince, he had liberal leanings and was quite often at odds with Bismarck. The appointment of Naumann probably angered a lot of the nobility, but I think it would be in line with Friedrich's liberal thinking. And as a nationalist, Naumann would somewhat placate the aristocracy (though not much). Friedrich is going to be facing a conservative backlash against a lot of his reform efforts.

I see. Just so you know, Bismarck opposed colonialism; he thought Germany should focus on developing its European lands.