Union and Liberty: An American TL

You'll find out more about Brazil later in the overview. ;) I haven't really thought about who will succeed Dom Pedro II. Butterflies might be able to justify the survival of Pedro or even Afonso. Barring that, I think Prince Luis probably would be the best person, though Isabel might not like it unless she gets to be regent.

I think it makes the most sense to have Pedro or Alfonso survive. Hell, the POD is far back enough (and Brazil was affected early enough) that Isabel might not have even been born (or Pedro II had other male children).
 
The World in a New Century, Section II: Ibero North America
Next update for the overview is done! We're finishing off North America. Be warned: casual racism ahead. Some of what I've written is almost verbatim from the old textbook I have. :p I'll add some footnotes later.

The World in a New Century, Section II: Ibero North America
Published by the McNally Corporation in Chicago, 1901.

California:
The Republic of California lies west of the Rio Bravo and south of the Oregon Country. A fairly wealthy state, California has received much of its progress from the gold and silver found in the Sierra Nevada and other mountain ranges of the country. Because of this, large cities like San Diego, San Francisco, and the capital at Monterey have arisen along the coast. The cities around San Francisco Bay have grown to become some of the largest in California. The city of San Francisco itself has become the major port and commercial center in the country, and is often known as the "Valparaiso of North America". In the interior, the majority of the population of California lives in the fertile San Joaquin Valley or along the Sacramento River. However, there are some settlements in the far interior, particularly those of the Mormons around the Great Salt Lake.

California is one of the most diverse countries in all of the Americas. Like Cuba in the United States, the people are mainly Ibero and mestizo. California, however, has been a destination for much of the immigration of Asians to North America. In fact, the cities in California have the largest population of Mongolians in the entire continent. These immigrants primarily come from the Philippines and China, and are concentrated in the coastal cities. Many Mongolians also inhabit the portion of the Hawaiian archipelago that is owned by California. Further east, the Mormons are the dominant people and their church remains the dominant religion there. The more remote desert regions of the country are populated by Indian tribes and do not receive much attention from the local authorities so stick to their barbarous ways.

While California claims to be a republic, the actual practice of the government is rather bad. The people are given some representation, but often the President will go against the wishes of the people with few consequences. The Mormons have recently been barred from representation within the Californian Senate. The country has also been subject to many coups in the past decades as generals or political opponents of the ruling president can easily gather enough support to oust whoever is in power.


Mexican States:
South of California and the state of Tejas are several small countries. These countries used to be united as the country of Mexico. In the 1830s, the United States fought a war with Mexico to free the Republic of Texas, which later joined the United States. Mexico suffered further political instability and collapsed into a number of countries in the late 1850s. Since then, the countries have been led by warlords though they claim to be republics. This is partially due to the ignorance of the people after breeding with the local Indians for centuries, and partly due to the ease at which such governments have been overthrown.

Of the Mexican states, Veracruz, Chihuahua, and Rio Bravo are the most important to the United States. Veracruz is a thriving port city-state and is the main point of entry and exit for goods going between the United States and Mexico. Recently, the United States has been getting more involved in the Mexican states. Just in the last decade, the United States freed Chihuahua from Rio Bravo. The other countries in the region are Durango, Granidalgo, Tlaxcala, the Mexican Republic, Queretaro, and Jalisco. Tlaxcala is of particular interest because it is governed by a splinter group from the Catholic Church known as the Anti-Papacy.


Mesoamerican Union:
The Mesoamerican Union is a collection of formerly independent countries that formed a unified government only in the last two decades. The component republics of the Mesoamerican Union are Oaxaca, Guatemala, Yucatan, Honduras, Salvador, and Nicaragua. Each republic has its own government but is subservient to the federal Mesoamerican government, much like our own states. The federal government of Mesoamerica contains a unicameral legislature and is led by a president elected by the legislature. The Mesoamerican legislature is peculiar in that it not only includes seats for each constituent republic, but also for certain Indian tribes. No other republican government in the world has been so accommodating to the uncivilized races in its country.

The Mesoamerican Union is a very important trading partner to the United States. From here, we import many agricultural goods that are unable to be produced in the United States except perhaps in Cuba. The principal goods that the United States imports from Mesoamerica are rubber, sugar, and fruit. The United Fruit Company has many land holdings in Mesoamerica and thanks to the support of the Mesoamerican government, tariffs have been reduced between our two nations and have allowed for American companies to prosper in the region.

There is one other nation in the region that has a significant importance to the United States. This is the small nation of Costa Rica, which lies south of Mesoamerica. While Costa Rica is small, its significance lies in its location as a strategic transportation route between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. Here is where the plans have been drawn up for a canal to connect the two oceans. The canal is planned to be dug through the northern part of Costa Rica, from the Atlantic Ocean along the San Juan River up to Lake Cocibolca, then through the narrow isthmus on the other side of the lake to connect with the Pacific. The canal has the potential to greatly influence American trade and interests in the Pacific and throughout Ibero-America.

Aside from these independent nations, the colony of British Honduras is the last possession of the Europeans in Central America.


Caribbean:
Unlike the other areas discussed in this section, most of the Caribbean has failed to become independent of Europe and the majority of the islands remain colonies. The reason for this are geographical and cultural. The geographical reason is that the warm tropical climate causes people to become lazy as food and agriculture is so easily accessible in the islands of the Caribbean, the people are not compelled to work hard in order to better themselves. The cultural reason is that the abundance of uncivilized negroes and Indians as well as half breeds has prevented the islands from recognizing the benefits of independence.

The only independent nation in the Caribbean thus far is Haiti on the island of Hispanola. Haiti achieved its independence from the French almost a century ago after the negro slaves overthrew their French masters. Sixty years prior to the abolition of slavery in the United States, Haiti became the only country in the Americas to be led by negroes. However, the Haitians remained savages for the most part and their government has become very bad. Haiti is led by a brutal emperor who does not allow his people a voice in the affairs of government and punishes them for objecting to his rule.

The rest of the Caribbean is mostly governed by European colonies, with the exception being our own state of Cuba. These colonies produce much of the world's sugar and the sugar planters on the islands have become very rich. Great Britain has several colonies near Cuba such as the Bahamian Islands and the isle of Jamaica. France, Britain, and the Netherlands also possess a number of islands in the Lesser Antilles in the eastern Caribbean. Between Haiti and the Lesser Antilles, Spain and Denmark also have minor colonies. After selling Cuba to the United States in 1848, the only Spanish possession in the Caribbean is now Porto Rico. The Danes also retain a small number of islands east of Porto Rico. All of the European colonies are mostly populated by negroes or Indians, and it will be a while before they can become civilized enough before they can be trusted to govern themselves.
 
Excellent update. I hadn't realized Costa Rica was independent of the Mesoamerican union; that's very interesting. Will the Mesoamerican union ever be expansionist, and if so, which way will they go; north or south? Why is the canal not being considered for Panama. Still part of Colombia ITTL if I recall correctly, but still; why not? It's a much shorter and easier route. Also a candidate would be around Lake Nicaragua in TTL's Mesoamerican Union.

What's the most developed Mexican state? Is it Veracruz?

Cheers,
Ganesha
 
Another wonderful update, although the values dissidence is quite disturbing. Will TR be doing much to advance the cause of ''Black'' civil right ITTL?

Oh, and is the Royal Navy the predominant naval power?

Finally: MAP!!!

Also, is anything like Jim Crow in place in the southern US?
 
Excellent update. I hadn't realized Costa Rica was independent of the Mesoamerican union; that's very interesting. Will the Mesoamerican union ever be expansionist, and if so, which way will they go; north or south? Why is the canal not being considered for Panama. Still part of Colombia ITTL if I recall correctly, but still; why not? It's a much shorter and easier route. Also a candidate would be around Lake Nicaragua in TTL's Mesoamerican Union.

What's the most developed Mexican state? Is it Veracruz?

Cheers,
Ganesha
The Mesoamerican Union might become expansionist soon, but with the US having great interests in Costa Rica, expanding south would require lots of help. Expanding north could be viable.

The canal is being considered in Costa Rica because it is much more reliable an ally to the US and more easily influenced in policy. And the canal is going through the usual Nicaragua Canal proposal. Costa Rica took the strip from Nicaragua earlier in the TL. ;)

The most developed Mexican states are Veracruz and Rio Bravo, by virtue of foreign assistance from the US and UK respectively.

Another wonderful update, although the values dissidence is quite disturbing. Will TR be doing much to advance the cause of ''Black'' civil right ITTL?

Oh, and is the Royal Navy the predominant naval power?

Finally: MAP!!!

Also, is anything like Jim Crow in place in the southern US?
The treatment of blacks is better than OTL but not by much. Blacks in the US are seen as better than those in the Caribbean since they were freed by an outside force and didn't overthrow their owners, and had 60 years more time to become more civilized. The sentiment toward blacks in the Caribbean is part white man's burden part American exceptionalism. Jim Crow laws do exist in parts of the South, but they are less widespread and in fewer institutions, partly due to the influence of Ibero-American concepts of race. Schools are segregated though.

The Royal Navy is the biggest naval power, but the French navy is hot on their heels. And I'll get a map of North America up soon. :)

I'm assuming Mongolians refers the greater Asian race, not the specific ethnic group of Mongolia?
Yes, Mongolians does refer to the larger Asian race.
 
Californian politics are preventing the blossoming of the full potential of its people.

It appears to me that the people of California could use some liberating.

You guys are both basing this upon the words of a source that in the previous paragraph says, "The more remote desert regions of the country are populated by Indian tribes and do not receive much attention from the local authorities so stick to their barbarous ways." Later, the book talks about lands "populated by negroes or Indians" who need time "before they can become civilized enough before they can be trusted to govern themselves"

How can we trust this source as having any veracity in its depictions of the internal politics of the Californio government when it has so clearly described the governments of other non-American, non-White countries in racist and biased terms? How trustworthy can this textbook be when it is clearly written from a viewpoint that holds Iberos and "Mongolians" to be an inferior race, incapable of governing themselves?

Unless, of course, that is your position as well, in which case, the seemingly archaic language of the turn-of-the-twentieth-century geography textbook is not archaic at all. It is seemingly the position of many here that any non-white alternate state needs to be colonized and subjugated by whites in order for it to ever become "modern" or "civilized".

Let's imagine for a moment what a Californio textbook would look like when describing the Alternate United States. (wait, do you think they even were capable of printing books!? Aren't they all illiterate? All the more reason for the enlightened white man to conquer and civilize them!) Such a textbook would certainly point out that this US had recently fought a major war when one-third of the nation seceded over the issue of slavery; that, in a likely contrast to Californio policy, US schools, businesses, and cities are racially segregated; that they'd recently elected a religious zealot to the presidency; and that they're arming neighboring countries on their borders while expanding their own colonial domains.

Please try for a moment to be open to the possibility that a nation founded by Chicanos and populated by East Asians and other immigrants might be capable of developing its own ingenious industry and civilization; that such a place could develop the rule of law with a fair and impartial legislature and peaceful transitions in government leadership all without the imposition of other nations; and that such a place might have its own infrastructure of universities and cultural institutions that can be as strong and as influential as those in Europe and the United States. Nothing we've seen about the Californios outside of a few lines in a racist and untrustworthy textbook has indicated that this might be an impossibility.
 
You guys are both basing this upon the words of a source that in the previous paragraph says, "The more remote desert regions of the country are populated by Indian tribes and do not receive much attention from the local authorities so stick to their barbarous ways." Later, the book talks about lands "populated by negroes or Indians" who need time "before they can become civilized enough before they can be trusted to govern themselves"

How can we trust this source as having any veracity in its depictions of the internal politics of the Californio government when it has so clearly described the governments of other non-American, non-White countries in racist and biased terms? How trustworthy can this textbook be when it is clearly written from a viewpoint that holds Iberos and "Mongolians" to be an inferior race, incapable of governing themselves?

Unless, of course, that is your position as well, in which case, the seemingly archaic language of the turn-of-the-twentieth-century geography textbook is not archaic at all. It is seemingly the position of many here that any non-white alternate state needs to be colonized and subjugated by whites in order for it to ever become "modern" or "civilized".

Let's imagine for a moment what a Californio textbook would look like when describing the Alternate United States. (wait, do you think they even were capable of printing books!? Aren't they all illiterate? All the more reason for the enlightened white man to conquer and civilize them!) Such a textbook would certainly point out that this US had recently fought a major war when one-third of the nation seceded over the issue of slavery; that, in a likely contrast to Californio policy, US schools, businesses, and cities are racially segregated; that they'd recently elected a religious zealot to the presidency; and that they're arming neighboring countries on their borders while expanding their own colonial domains.

Please try for a moment to be open to the possibility that a nation founded by Chicanos and populated by East Asians and other immigrants might be capable of developing its own ingenious industry and civilization; that such a place could develop the rule of law with a fair and impartial legislature and peaceful transitions in government leadership all without the imposition of other nations; and that such a place might have its own infrastructure of universities and cultural institutions that can be as strong and as influential as those in Europe and the United States. Nothing we've seen about the Californios outside of a few lines in a racist and untrustworthy textbook has indicated that this might be an impossibility.

While I agree with you in principle (that you shouldn't base assumptions off of unreliable sources), this is a fair bit of overreaction. You essentially accuse the two of them of being racists, especially in the third paragraph. There's no basis for that. All they did was draw some assumptions based on that passage (which is biased but nevertheless relevant) and previous statments/hints by Wilcox. No need to go that far in accusing them of prejudice. Cool it, dude.
 
Unless, of course, that is your position as well, in which case, the seemingly archaic language of the turn-of-the-twentieth-century geography textbook is not archaic at all. It is seemingly the position of many here that any non-white alternate state needs to be colonized and subjugated by whites in order for it to ever become "modern" or "civilized".
No offense Koxinga, but I'm from Portugal, an Iberic nation. I made no assumptions about the people, just about the politics that's being hinted in the update.
 
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I think it makes the most sense to have Pedro or Alfonso survive. Hell, the POD is far back enough (and Brazil was affected early enough) that Isabel might not have even been born (or Pedro II had other male children).

That's a good point, though I'm not sure the butterflies would have spread enough to Brazil by that time. On the other hand, conception is essentially random, so any births after the POD are suspect.
 
Great update.

It appears to me that the people of California could use some liberating.

It looks to me as though California in this timeline is at the same place as Mexico was during the years of the Porfiriato under Diaz. It's growing economically, diverse, but under a stifling political system. Not necessarily in need of liberation, but not something the US is too happy about either. If a liberal or pro-US faction does emerge, I could see the US supporting them easily. But I don't really see the US invading or supporting regime change in California that readily, because there are close ties between the two nations, and in the end, there's really no need.
 
While I agree with you in principle (that you shouldn't base assumptions off of unreliable sources), this is a fair bit of overreaction. You essentially accuse the two of them of being racists, especially in the third paragraph. There's no basis for that. All they did was draw some assumptions based on that passage (which is biased but nevertheless relevant) and previous statments/hints by Wilcox. No need to go that far in accusing them of prejudice. Cool it, dude.

No offense Koxinga, but I'm from Portugal, an Iberic nation. I made no assumptions about the people, just about the politics that's being hinted in the update.

While Koxinga was a bit harsh, he does have a point though. I also agree with what you said Archangel, that the politics of California are likely preventing it from reaching its full potential. But they are probably not as bad as the text book from a rival nation would describe them.

California hasn't done that bad in TTL, at all. Actually it has done surprisingly well. In the something years of its existence, California has grown into quite a regional player; it successfully annexed Sonora, and expanded into the Hawaiian Islands, and allowed its population to grow steadily (I am assuming there's around 2 million by now) with immigration and progress. Plus thanks to the gold reserves California likely went through the Silver Depression unscathed, and its debt should be minimal. It is also likely that the amount of readily available mineral resources are what caused the "gentleman's club" democracy to firmly establish itself in California.

Despite its "gentleman's club" democracy. The average Californio of Ibero or Anglo (non-Mormon) decent probably lives a much better life than his American counterpart. Furthermore the government probably has very little reach beyond the coastal cities and the valleys. The people in the interior, including the natives are probably quite free.

Furthermore, in the California update Wilcox mentioned a railroad linking San Francisco to Yuma and from there to the Rio Bravo Rep. Such a railroad by 1900 would mean California is doing much better than Mexico in OTL at the same time. The Mexico City-Nuevo Laredo railroad was not built until 1908. And by 1900, California is about to discover the oil reserves underneath the LA Basin.

Let's imagine for a moment what a Californio textbook would look like when describing the Alternate United States.

Such a textbook would certainly point out that this US had recently fought a major war when one-third of the nation seceded over the issue of slavery; that, in a likely contrast to Californio policy, US schools, businesses, and cities are racially segregated; that they'd recently elected a religious zealot to the presidency; and that they're arming neighboring countries on their borders while expanding their own colonial domains.

The same textbook would probably describe California as the "Crossroad Between the East and the West" and San Fransisco as the "Next Constantinople" [1]. And would also likely champion its diversity, the idea of it being a nation of immigrants by stating that "great civilizations arise from the place where cultures meet".


Anyways Wilcox, great update as usual. Very much looking forward to the rest of the overviews.


That's a good point, though I'm not sure the butterflies would have spread enough to Brazil by that time. On the other hand, conception is essentially random, so any births after the POD are suspect.

Well within just a few years of the POD Riograndese won its independence from Brazil, that was still quite a few years prior to the births of any of Pedro II's children. So if Wilcox wants it Alphonso can survive, or Isabel could have been born a Pedro.

[1] Man this would be awesome if they built a replica of Haiga Sophia or the Blue Mosque for a government building in San Fransico as a way to draw the point.
 
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I'd pay truly vast amounts of money to see a replica Hagia Sophia in San Francisco!

Oh, and the idea of a early 20th Century Republic emulating a combination of Republican Brazil and the modern day melting pot NYC fills me with glee.
 
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My life has gotten chaotic, and as much as I enjoy it, AH.com takes up too much of my time for me to focus on my schoolwork effectively. Therefore, I'm going to be gone for a month. I hate to have to do this, but it's my junior year and I need good grades and I need to give up things I like to do that. So I'm giving up AH.com for a month.

Have fun, and cheers,
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P.S. See you on November 25th!

It's possible to be banned for a period of time? I thought that was what a kicking was.
 
I've asked to be banned for a month in order to focus on schoolwork.

My life has gotten chaotic, and as much as I enjoy it, AH.com takes up too much of my time for me to focus on my schoolwork effectively. Therefore, I'm going to be gone for a month. I hate to have to do this, but it's my junior year and I need good grades and I need to give up things I like to do that. So I'm giving up AH.com for a month.

Have fun, and cheers,
Ganesha

P.S. See you on November 25th!
Good luck on your study, Ganesha!:)
 
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