Union and Liberty: An American TL

I've added the other section to the previous update and put in some footnotes as well.


Oops. Late-night posts don't really help my thinking. :)

By the way, how has the language of TTL America developed? Are there new figures of speech, idioms, accents of certain regions, different meanings or connotations of words, etc? I like how photography has become luzography. People seem to forget that language isn't on a set course of development.
One of the major changes I've noted so far is that the term 'dictator' does not have the negative connotations it does in OTL. ITTL it refers to a strong, decisive leader. Hence why Andrew Johnson is called the dictator president in TTL. :D There will also probably be a lot more dialects and regions where immigrants' languages are still commonly used.
 
I'll have a few updates on colonialism sometime soon, but in African colonialism I've run a bit ahead of where I am in the United States and need to catch up a bit. Plans for the next few updates are Burnside's presidency (may mostly focus on what's been happening in Canada, this period is kinda boring for the US), an update on Latin America, and another tech update.
 
Just caught up with these last two updates. As always they are awesome! I like how cigar making in Cuba might jump start the assembly line production a few years ahead. Cuba being an important state will also affect US culture significantly.

About the missing industrialists, does this mean that large fortunes are going to be focussed on less individuals than iOTL? Do Vanderbilt, Stanford, etc have more sway and power than OTL? It feels to me that if this is true that we might see the rise of a populist/socialist party OTL. The larger population density around the Mississippi and the Gulf might actually help this as well; some rural areas of OTL are quite Urban in TTL.

By the way, how has the language of TTL America developed? Are there new figures of speech, idioms, accents of certain regions, different meanings or connotations of words, etc? I like how photography has become luzography. People seem to forget that language isn't on a set course of development.

I think the increased Irish migration and the large hispanic population in parts of TTL's US should certainly have an impact on language. Hopefully a language education law is passed at some point that may help the US keep a language diversity. I still hope Dutch and German can survive as wide-spoken languages in the midwest states.

Wilcox, it might be time for another demographics update sometime soon like the one you did right before the National War.
 
Just caught up with these last two updates. As always they are awesome! I like how cigar making in Cuba might jump start the assembly line production a few years ahead. Cuba being an important state will also affect US culture significantly.

About the missing industrialists, does this mean that large fortunes are going to be focussed on less individuals than iOTL? Do Vanderbilt, Stanford, etc have more sway and power than OTL? It feels to me that if this is true that we might see the rise of a populist/socialist party OTL. The larger population density around the Mississippi and the Gulf might actually help this as well; some rural areas of OTL are quite Urban in TTL.
It's partly that wealth is concentrated in fewer hands and partly due to the history books style. How often do you hear about smaller OTL industrialists like Drexel or Stanford in American history textbooks? Rockefeller is probably still a businessmen, just less successful than in OTL.

I think the increased Irish migration and the large hispanic population in parts of TTL's US should certainly have an impact on language. Hopefully a language education law is passed at some point that may help the US keep a language diversity. I still hope Dutch and German can survive as wide-spoken languages in the midwest states.

Wilcox, it might be time for another demographics update sometime soon like the one you did right before the National War.
I'll try to include some info about the 1880 census in the next few updates. A national act protecting locally spoken languages probably isn't that far off.
 
Great updates! Your attention to detail on the development of states and cities is worth following this TL alone.

I'm curious how the Burnside Presidency works. OTL his largest problems as a General [1] stemmed from interpersonal difficulties with his subordinates (a mutual egoism/antagonism that wasn't entirely his fault) and was compounded by his not following up to make sure his orders were proceeding (see Fredericksburg). Will similar issues plague his presidency? I can see his cabinet...Lee's cabinet, it should be noted...quickly becoming a self-sufficient entity in its own right and Burnside sliding into Lame Duck territory. Or is the idea that the inertia of the burgeoning Guilded Age is pulling all else along?

Sam Clemens as an industrialist...nice touch; does he have it in him? OTL he lost his literary fortune on bad investments, and I'm not sure that for all his wit he had the sheer ruthlessness to handle the business world.



1 - And no, I do not want to reopen the same tired debates over the merits and flaws of ACW generals and will ignore any attempts to do so (and I encourage others to follow suit). Don't derail this excellent thread, please.
 
I'm curious how the Burnside Presidency works. OTL his largest problems as a General [1] stemmed from interpersonal difficulties with his subordinates (a mutual egoism/antagonism that wasn't entirely his fault) and was compounded by his not following up to make sure his orders were proceeding (see Fredericksburg). Will similar issues plague his presidency? I can see his cabinet...Lee's cabinet, it should be noted...quickly becoming a self-sufficient entity in its own right and Burnside sliding into Lame Duck territory. Or is the idea that the inertia of the burgeoning Guilded Age is pulling all else along?
I'd like to have these issues come up during his presidency, thanks for letting me know about them! I missed that when reading Burnside's wiki page. :) I'm not sure how Burnside not following up on his orders would show during his presidency given the balance between the President, Congress, and the Cabinet but I do have some personal problems lined up for him. He also didn't have much confidence in himself during his military career in OTL, which could transfer to a self-doubt about his fitness for the presidency.
 
Part Sixty-Nine: Rolling Back the Rights
I wanted to get the next update out before I left for DC tomorrow, so here it is. Not sure how satisfied with it I am and I welcome suggestions to improve it.

Part Sixty-Nine: Rolling Back the Rights

The Battle for Capitol Hill:
While Lee was a fairly effective leader and handled the machinations of Congress well to get his legislative goals passed, Burnside was far less effective at dealing with Congress. Part of the difficulty that President Burnside had with Congress came from his antagonization of Speaker of the House James G. Blaine. Blaine wanted to repeal some of the more radical policies regarding the South and civil rights that had been passed by the Fremont and Lee administrations. Blaine was also a supporter of some of the proposals that the growing Nativist contingent in Congress made. This political antagonism developed into a personal dislike between the two men, which greatly hindered Burnside's influence in the House of Representatives.

President Burnside also had difficulties ensuring that the laws that the administration passed continued to be enforced. The best example of this was the struggle to enforce the Civil Rights Act of 1877. Passed by Congress during Lee's term and signed by Burnside as one of his first acts as President, the Civil Rights Act of 1877 set out to enforce the implication of the Fox v. Bennett decision and uphold the rights of people who were American citizens by birth. However, Burnside also did not take much confidence in himself to his presidency, continuously doubting in private whether he was fir for the job. Because of this, he kept many of Lee's Cabinet appointments who were ineffective at their positions, such as Attorney General Edwards Pierpont. Pierpont and others failed to adequately enforce the federal legislation and it became the duty of the states to uphold the 1877 Civil Rights Act.


Lax Americana:
Burnside was also ineffective at ensuring that the United States government's policies were upheld by the states. Under Burnside's administration, some Southern states found ways to go around the civil rights acts that had been proposed during the Fremont and Lee administrations. Burnside did not make maintaining these policies a priority during his time in office and the policies gradually fell by the wayside. In Georgia and Mississippi, laws were passed mandating literacy tests for a person to be able to vote. These laws impeded many free blacks as well as poor, rural whites from voting.

Burnside attempted to pass laws through Congress and through executive orders which would ban the practices of literacy tests, poll taxes, and other methods of disenfranchising poor Southern voters. But under Burnside's administration, the policies were not enforced in the Southern states and the orders would be reversed in the next decade. As the Democratic Party returned to political office in many Southern states after the initial Republican gains right after the National War, the more lax approach of these politicians to enforcing the civil rights acts passed in Washington led to a gradual disenfranchisement of thousands in those states.
 
You know, I think you should retitle the TL. Your coverage of the great European War, for example, was so in-depth and comprehensive it put other TL's to shame. This isn't just an American TL anymore (though it definitely still has an American focus).
 
Great update, as always. Somehow I don't think that Burnside will go down in TTL's history as a good president.
 
Great update, as always. Somehow I don't think that Burnside will go down in TTL's history as a good president.

I think he will go down as a forgettable president. I doubt he will be reelected (it seems it is almost time for a short Democrat comeback). He will go down a filler president, one of those most people don't remember and is not even mentioned in elementary history books.

I think TTL's iconic Presidents (from the POD on) so far are: Houston, & Fremont. Andrew Johnson has as special place as the "Dictator President" and being the one in charge during the start of the National War. Polk might have some recognition for the Oregon war but since Fremont was a general and war hero at the time he might be overshadowed by him. Even Calhoun who started TTL divergence, seems minor; the Mexican-American war (like in OTL) will likely be a footnote on most American textbook outside Tejan states. Furthermore just like Fremont might overshadow Polk in the Oregon War Houston is the war hero of the Mexican War who then became president.

It would be cool to see which presidents end up in TTL's dollar bills. If the bills are analogous to OTL's I see Fremont getting the 5 and Houston getting the 10 (never quite got why Hamilton is in it) or the 20. 1 and 100 have to stay the same and 50 is up for grabs (probably Roosvelt seeing how he will kick greater ass in TTL). It be cool also if they are also a little bit more interesting that OTL's US dollar bills, which have very boring designs.
 
Kinda got excited about the alternate bill idea. Here is a rough sketch of a twenty featuring Fremont. Yes, I refuse to make them all green, so this one is red.

20USDS.jpg
 
Holy crap, that looks amazing! I also dislike the all-green OTL currency, I wish there was a bit more diversity. Would Fremont be in color, though? It seems a bit out of place.

And whose signature is in the treasurer's spot?
 
Holy crap, that looks amazing! I also dislike the all-green OTL currency, I wish there was a bit more diversity. Would Fremont be in color, though? It seems a bit out of place.

And whose signature is in the treasurer's spot?

Seems like Fremont's own. I'm writing a TL about him, so I should know.
 
Wow jycee, that's awesome! I was actually planning on having TTL's bills use red ink instead of green (did I mention that somewhere in the updates yet? can't remember), and that looks really great. I agree with Emperor-of-New-Zealand though, his shoulders and arms should be shown down to the bottom of the bill if the portrait isn't going to have a border around it.


Also, you guys are right in that Burnside is going to be one of the forgettable presidents.
 
When did US currency adopt essentially its current form? Wasn't it sometime in the early 20th century? Or before that?
 
Thanks for the compliments all.

Holy crap, that looks amazing! I also dislike the all-green OTL currency, I wish there was a bit more diversity. Would Fremont be in color, though? It seems a bit out of place.

And whose signature is in the treasurer's spot?

Yeah the portrait should be monochrome. It was a quick layering of images on photoshop, now I'm trying to make look more currency like so I will change that and maybe extend the arms.

I am also unsure if it should say Untied States Bank or United States of America. Bank looked better cause it fits.

A few other serial numbers here and there might have to be added as well.

The signature is whoever is the US Treasurer right now. It is copied and pasted from an 5 usd bill image. So its really nothing important bills have signature this bill has signature.


Wow jycee, that's awesome! I was actually planning on having TTL's bills use red ink instead of green (did I mention that somewhere in the updates yet? can't remember), and that looks really great. I agree with Emperor-of-New-Zealand though, his shoulders and arms should be shown down to the bottom of the bill if the portrait isn't going to have a border around it.

Also, you guys are right in that Burnside is going to be one of the forgettable presidents.

Yeah I really dislike OTL's green bills. Red might be better but it be cool if every bill is in a different shade of it from very orangy to almost purple. Ours all have the same green and black.

Its not that they are green that makes them boring but overall the design is plain when compared to other currencies. Things like the 5 having Lincoln on one side and the Lincoln Memorial on the reverse make them uncreative.
 
Last edited:
When did US currency adopt essentially its current form? Wasn't it sometime in the early 20th century? Or before that?
The first Federal Reserve bank notes were printed in 1914. This is basically when US currency got its current form, although other forms had been used before then for issuing gold and silver certificates and demand notes.
 
Top