Union and Liberty: An American TL

Alright so it was mostly arrogance which kept British teams from joining FIFA tournaments. Still if Britain goes to war against France in one of the world wars ITTL the rivalry might keep them out of joining FIFA for longer. However since football did not solidify as such until the 1840s - 1860s in England and did not spread into continental Europe until a little bit later, the way it spreads might certainly be different ITTL.

Definitely. IOTL football was spread at first by British commercial interests, Denmark and the Netherlands first in Europe, and Argentina in South America. Lessen the commerical power of Britian in the 19th century and you lessen the speed of the game's spread. Same with the cultural power of Britian, another factor in the spread of football was that many European elites sent their children to be educated in English public schools or study at English universities, where they learned to play football.

Maybe even different enough that a "continental football" develops with certain differences from "british association football" (OTLs soccer). Which one ends up being more popular over time world wide might be interesting. "continental football" might end up being a rather poplar sport in the US, but California and Rio Grande, with their close ties to Britain might have both.

I don't think that's very likely. The International Football Association Board (consisting of the Home Nations) was set up in the 1880's to determine the laws of football, when FIFA was founded it declared it would adhere to the rules of the IFAB and were allowed onto the board a decade later. I don't really see how you could realistically change that, there's no real incentive for continental Europeans to form their own version of football just for the hell of it.
 
Alright so it was mostly arrogance which kept British teams from joining FIFA tournaments. Still if Britain goes to war against France in one of the world wars ITTL the rivalry might keep them out of joining FIFA for longer. However since football did not solidify as such until the 1840s - 1860s in England and did not spread into continental Europe until a little bit later, the way it spreads might certainly be different ITTL.

Maybe even different enough that a "continental football" develops with certain differences from "british association football" (OTLs soccer). Which one ends up being more popular over time world wide might be interesting. "continental football" might end up being a rather poplar sport in the US, but California and Rio Grande, with their close ties to Britain might have both.

Obviously with "continental football" being a bastardization of football in British eyes they will have even less of a reason to join any international organization of it. (If they do way way down they'll probably not be that good at it, and will join as Britain cause "England vs Scotland" is only international depending on the perspective).



More importantly than Hockey, which might simply stay as a regional sport in ITTL's divided Canada, and maybe northeastern USA, would be basketball, which was not invented until the 1890s by a Canadian in the US. Without it there would have to be another sport to fill in the indoor/urban court sport. Any ideas? I think a type of court volleyball could be a possibility.



True that they will rapidly become a minority but they might make a very annoying minority. You would have 2 million people that became "American" unwillingly and are quite distinct in language and culture from most Americans, even IITLs US which has a bit more hispanic influence because of Cuba and a more densely populated southern Texas. Rebellion, riots, and demonstrations, terrorism and paramilitary groups might be common, even a generation or two after California was annexed. Why keep such an unwilling and different population in your country when you can annex a little bit of territory and set up a rump pro-American government that keeps everyone happy and California independent.

Now a situation where California is annexed and you get significant Californio discontent. To the point where you can get a series of "Californio troubles" could also be really interesting. But I like the previous idea better cause it keeps California a happy place.
They would happen, but I can't see them being that serious a threat, especially given the enormous economic boom that would result from the settlement of the land.

Teddy would do it because he'd be aware of the demographic trends and the long term gain for the nation would cement his legacy as one of the greatest presidents ever.
 
Alright so it was mostly arrogance which kept British teams from joining FIFA tournaments. Still if Britain goes to war against France in one of the world wars ITTL the rivalry might keep them out of joining FIFA for longer. However since football did not solidify as such until the 1840s - 1860s in England and did not spread into continental Europe until a little bit later, the way it spreads might certainly be different ITTL.

This is assuming that alt-FIFA is founded under the same circumstances. It isn't a sure thing that an international organization will be founded in Paris, with a French name and abbreviation. If Britain goes to war against France but alt-FIFA is founded (for example) in Berlin with a German name, there is less problem for the British in joining. For that matter, what is to stop the British from taking the lead themselves in organizing international association football? IOTL the first try at an international organization was Anglocentric, meant to reflect the founding role the UK had in the sport, but the Home Nations FAs shot this down. Can this TL butterfly things so that alt-FIFA is begun in London rather than Paris?
 
One question regarding Britain, how are post-Oregon War relations with the United States, especially after the National War and the Second Napoleonic War?

I would think they have fairly tenuous relations, but not to the point of war if something happened.
Relations between the British and the United States are currently strained, but neither government wants a war with the other at the moment, with the US recovering from the National War and Britain in the Second Napoleonic War. They currently consider each other to be adversaries, but aren't particularly hostile yet.

How would this impact the boundry dispute between the state of Ohio and the Michigan terratory ?
In one of my beginning updates, I covered the Toledo War. Toledo (or Miami as it is now called) is in Michigan, and the dispute was resolved with a Supreme Court ruling for a new survey to be taken.

Alright so it was mostly arrogance which kept British teams from joining FIFA tournaments. Still if Britain goes to war against France in one of the world wars ITTL the rivalry might keep them out of joining FIFA for longer. However since football did not solidify as such until the 1840s - 1860s in England and did not spread into continental Europe until a little bit later, the way it spreads might certainly be different ITTL.

Maybe even different enough that a "continental football" develops with certain differences from "british association football" (OTLs soccer). Which one ends up being more popular over time world wide might be interesting. "continental football" might end up being a rather poplar sport in the US, but California and Rio Grande, with their close ties to Britain might have both.

Obviously with "continental football" being a bastardization of football in British eyes they will have even less of a reason to join any international organization of it. (If they do way way down they'll probably not be that good at it, and will join as Britain cause "England vs Scotland" is only international depending on the perspective).
As Gonzo said, I'm still not even sure where the international governing body of football will be based. It could also happen that rugby football becomes more popular in Great Britain and British-friendly regions of the world while association football is more popular on the continent.

More importantly than Hockey, which might simply stay as a regional sport in ITTL's divided Canada, and maybe northeastern USA, would be basketball, which was not invented until the 1890s by a Canadian in the US. Without it there would have to be another sport to fill in the indoor/urban court sport. Any ideas? I think a type of court volleyball could be a possibility.
Basketball is a fairly intuitive sport so it might come around in a different way. As for a different urban court sport, I've been thinking of reviving the Mesoamerican ball game (with some modifications of course) to promote a Mesoamerican identity and national unity. ;)

Definitely. IOTL football was spread at first by British commercial interests, Denmark and the Netherlands first in Europe, and Argentina in South America. Lessen the commerical power of Britian in the 19th century and you lessen the speed of the game's spread. Same with the cultural power of Britian, another factor in the spread of football was that many European elites sent their children to be educated in English public schools or study at English universities, where they learned to play football.

I don't think that's very likely. The International Football Association Board (consisting of the Home Nations) was set up in the 1880's to determine the laws of football, when FIFA was founded it declared it would adhere to the rules of the IFAB and were allowed onto the board a decade later. I don't really see how you could realistically change that, there's no real incentive for continental Europeans to form their own version of football just for the hell of it.

This is assuming that alt-FIFA is founded under the same circumstances. It isn't a sure thing that an international organization will be founded in Paris, with a French name and abbreviation. If Britain goes to war against France but alt-FIFA is founded (for example) in Berlin with a German name, there is less problem for the British in joining. For that matter, what is to stop the British from taking the lead themselves in organizing international association football? IOTL the first try at an international organization was Anglocentric, meant to reflect the founding role the UK had in the sport, but the Home Nations FAs shot this down. Can this TL butterfly things so that alt-FIFA is begun in London rather than Paris?
These are all good points. If the FIFA equivalent is founded in a more Britain-leaning country like Germany or Spain, the defiance of the Home Nations joining an international footballing body would be largely lessened. And if it is founded in Britain itself, we might see the French and Italian teams delaying joining it, if football even becomes popular there at all. Anyway, I'll cover some of this after the war is over. And there's also the Olympics to worry about. :D

True that they will rapidly become a minority but they might make a very annoying minority. You would have 2 million people that became "American" unwillingly and are quite distinct in language and culture from most Americans, even IITLs US which has a bit more hispanic influence because of Cuba and a more densely populated southern Texas. Rebellion, riots, and demonstrations, terrorism and paramilitary groups might be common, even a generation or two after California was annexed. Why keep such an unwilling and different population in your country when you can annex a little bit of territory and set up a rump pro-American government that keeps everyone happy and California independent.

Now a situation where California is annexed and you get significant Californio discontent. To the point where you can get a series of "Californio troubles" could also be really interesting. But I like the previous idea better cause it keeps California a happy place.

They would happen, but I can't see them being that serious a threat, especially given the enormous economic boom that would result from the settlement of the land.

Teddy would do it because he'd be aware of the demographic trends and the long term gain for the nation would cement his legacy as one of the greatest presidents ever.
The Californio identity will be quite strong, especially in the south where the ranching culture dominates the San Joaquin Valley and the Lower Colorado, and on the coast where the major cities are. Because of this, these areas will likely be much more trouble than the northern and eastern regions which are more Anglo. While I think there would be a large "All California" sentiment among Americans, the pragmatic decision would be to just annex the Anglo regions. And Teddy is probably going to be pragmatic about the decision since he's also fighting a war against Britain at the time.
 
These are all good points. If the FIFA equivalent is founded in a more Britain-leaning country like Germany or Spain, the defiance of the Home Nations joining an international footballing body would be largely lessened. And if it is founded in Britain itself, we might see the French and Italian teams delaying joining it, if football even becomes popular there at all. Anyway, I'll cover some of this after the war is over. And there's also the Olympics to worry about. :D

An additional knock-on effect here could be that there will be significantly less French-language influence in the world governing bodies of sports overall. Many of these bodies have their official name in French IOTL and their headquarters in a French-speaking nation, but if FIFA is founded elsewhere, would other sports be influenced by that? If the world body for soccer is created and headquartered in the UK, might there be a trend toward governing bodies based in the country which developed the sport? (alt-IIHF based in Toronto, for example?)
 
Part Fifty-Three: The French Advances Stalls
Update time! I might post some closer up views of the fronts, but a general picture will have to wait until the next update on the Grand Unification War gets done.

Part Fifty-Three: The French Advances Stalls


Pommers in the Trenches[1]:
The Second Napoleonic War entered 1866 with both fronts largely stalled. The network of trenches that the French, British, and Belgians set up blocked any side from gaining ground very quickly. Assaults and gained ground were measured in yards as the rifles used in the war had become extremely accurate. The wide use of field artillery in the trenches also made any attacks slow. This was especially the case for the French as Charles Babbage's new analytical engine[2] allowed artillery positions and firing angles to be calculated to an increased degree of precision.

Along with an increased involvement of British strategists, The British commitment of soldiers in Belgium was intensified in 1866 as well. In the 1860s, Parliament was faced with the issue of the Great Famine in Ireland as almost all of the island's potato crop failed between 1864 and 1869. Many Irishmen moved across the Atlantic to British North America, but at the outset of the war, the British government offered young Irish men a place in the army as a way to alleviate the pressure of the famine[3]. Staunch nationalists in Ireland refused, but many were desperate and joined up, or sent their children off to enlist. By the summer of 1866, over 100,000 Irishmen had joined the British ranks either voluntarily or through conscription of the lower classes and were being shipped across the Channel.

This surge of men into the trenches allowed the Eighth Coalition forces, as the British and Belgians had taken to calling themselves, to gain at least some notable ground against the French. In the west of the front, the Eighth Coalition was able over most of 1866 to gradually push the French back into France up to the Aa River, where the front eventually stabilized. This included the capture of Dunkerque, where both sides lost over 20,000 men each in the battle for the city. While both sides had an approximately equal number of soldiers and field artillery during the battle, the support from the Royal Navy pushed the Coalition to capture the city. Further east, the front was moved miles south in some places, but the French were not budged from Waterloo and continued to threaten Brussels.


Raiding the Marches:
Throughout 1866, France continued a steady advance into Spain. However, the speed at which the French troops gained ground greatly slowed after they were out of the Pyrenees. The Spanish cavalry tactics were of greater effectiveness in the flatter plains and plateaus of Catalonia and Aragon, while the Spanish were able to set up defenses in the mountains of the Basque Country. Eventually the fighting in Catalonia fell back to the trench warfare already in place in Belgium.

French forces in the Basque Country moved west from Pamplona in June in a campaign to take the remaining cities in the region. The French army moved northwest from Pamplona through a valley and near the town of Iturmendi, the Spanish forced the French south over the Sierra de Urbasa onto a forested plateau. In the ensuing battle in the heat of summer, Spanish forces had to eventually retreat across the plateau, managed to stop the French from reaching Vitoria. The French forces went north along the mountains and by September reached the Bay of Biscay across the river from the town of Guernica. As the Spanish set up defensive fortifications in Guernica, French forces determined that they could not take the town for a while. That winter, the French commander of the troops in the Basque country came up with the idea of dropping grenades from the reconnaissance balloons manned by the French Aerostatic Corps. While the attack was not very effective, the bombing of Guernica marks the first use of aerial bombing in modern warfare.

In the other areas of Spain, the French tried to go on a fast attack with the objective of capturing the cities of Zaragoza and Barcelona as quickly as possible. The French offensive was largely slowed, however, by the slow progress of the supply trains over the Pyrenees and as a result, the attack in 1866 did not get very far into Spain. In Catalonia, the French were able to secure the coast up to Sant Feilu de Guixois but did not reach far out of Girona in the land movement. A French attack on the town of Vidreres failed when a small Spanish cavalry force cut the telegraph lines behind the French and robbed a supply train. After the retreat from Vidreres, a smaller system of trenches was constructed in the area and the fighting slowed to a crawl. The Corps du Midi in the center of Spain doubled back when a Spanish detachment used the principality to liberate occupied Puigcerda. While the local authorities in Andorra claimed no knowledge of the Spanish incursion, Louis-Napoleon declared war on Andorra and the country was annexed into France after kicking the Spanish detachment out of the principality.

On the Mediterranean, the French navy defeated the Spanish ships that were in the harbor in La Palma on Mallorca in March and captured Mallorca and Ibiza by August. The Caribbean theatre brought further defeats for the French outside of Europe, however, as the Royal Navy landed men on Guadeloupe. In the Red Sea, the French shelled Aden repeatedly, but the landing force from Mocha was turned back before it reached the port city. France did have a few lucky engagements in the Channel and the Irish Sea, but these small victories did not break the Royal Navy's dominance over the Channel.

[1] "Pommers" ITTL is the colloquial term for Irishmen, coming from 'pomme' meaning potato.
[2] This analytical engine is much less extensive than what Babbage envisioned. It mostly does trigonometry for calculating firing angles.
[3] But also a way to get rid of Irishmen. ;)
 
Pommers in the Trenches[1]
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[1] "Pommers" ITTL is the colloquial term for Irishmen, coming from 'pomme' meaning potato.

Actually, 'pomme' means apple;). The French word for potato is 'pomme de terre', which means "Earth's apple."

...the Aa River...

That's an interesting name for a river. I wonder how you even pronounce it.

...the bombing of Guernica marks the first use of aerial bombing in modern warfare....

I see what you did there.
 
Here's a map of the Spanish front as it has progressed. The red line is the French advance in 1865, and the dark purple is the French advance as of late 1866.

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Balloon bombers, analytical engines...cor blimey, she's goin' Steampunk! :eek:

Just need steam tanks and zeppelin pirates and we're set! Remember: at least three updates should be spent on goggles. :cool:

And poor Guernica...doomed by the laws of irony to aerial death. :(
 
Balloon bombers, analytical engines...cor blimey, she's goin' Steampunk! :eek:
It's the 1800s, practically everything is steampunk. :D And the analytical engine isn't so powerful it's going to change society. It's mostly like the original one in OTL that was finished in 1910 by Babbage's son. Not really programmable, and just built for one purpose: calculating angles of fire for artillery. No, the main society-revolutionizing technological advancement I'm envisioning it still about 50 years out.

Just need steam tanks and zeppelin pirates and we're set! Remember: at least three updates should be spent on goggles. :cool:
There will definitely be zeppelins soon, not sure about the steam tanks though. And I'm not giving Teddy goggles, that would be silly. :p

And poor Guernica...doomed by the laws of irony to aerial death. :(
Indeed, poor Guernica. Although you shouldn't feel too sorry. Dropping grenades from a hot air balloon can't be that damaging to a city, can it?
 
I'm not sure if this was addressed already, but I'm guessing Matthew Perry's Black Ships never got to Japan ITTL? Who opened Japan, if anyone? Did the Belgians pick up the trade with Japan along with Borneo?
Considering that the Boshin War in OTL was something of a proxy fight fight between the French and British missions, you might have some fun including a Japanese civil war into the Anglo-French conflict. It would be a side conflict in any case, but it could be important later on.
 
I'm not sure if this was addressed already, but I'm guessing Matthew Perry's Black Ships never got to Japan ITTL? Who opened Japan, if anyone? Did the Belgians pick up the trade with Japan along with Borneo?
Considering that the Boshin War in OTL was something of a proxy fight fight between the French and British missions, you might have some fun including a Japanese civil war into the Anglo-French conflict. It would be a side conflict in any case, but it could be important later on.
The British opened up Japan in TTL, and while there won't be a civil war in Japan per se, the French opened Korea so there is a tension and rivalry there. No proxy wars in the 1860s though, but later there will be.
 
It's the 1800s, practically everything is steampunk. :D And the analytical engine isn't so powerful it's going to change society. It's mostly like the original one in OTL that was finished in 1910 by Babbage's son. Not really programmable, and just built for one purpose: calculating angles of fire for artillery. No, the main society-revolutionizing technological advancement I'm envisioning it still about 50 years out.

Awww...so much for my hopes of Neoconfederate Steam Mecha battling Prussian Spider Tanks on the Western Front. :( ;)

There will definitely be zeppelins soon, not sure about the steam tanks though. And I'm not giving Teddy goggles, that would be silly. :p

Not even pince nez goggles? :p

Indeed, poor Guernica. Although you shouldn't feel too sorry. Dropping grenades from a hot air balloon can't be that damaging to a city, can it?

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The Cow says, "Bomber Balloons? WTF? At least OTL I got killed by Heinkels!"
 
Awww...so much for my hopes of Neoconfederate Steam Mecha battling Prussian Spider Tanks on the Western Front. :( ;)

Not even pince nez goggles? :p
Nothing too steampunk in the timeline, but in the Teddy Roosevelt serials it's quite possible. :D And I'm not even sure how pince nez goggles would work.


Now for some info on how the next updates are coming. I've had some more ideas for Undisclosed Adventures of Theodore Roosevelt plots and have begun work on another episode, so that should be done sometime soon. And I've got one section of the next war update finished. Popes ahoy!
 
Part Fifty-Four: A Swelling Tide
Update time! It's a long 'un. Will proofread and add footnotes tomorrow.

Part Fifty-Four: A Swelling Tide

The Modern Papal Schism: As the Italian Army of Naples was stalled in Ferentino, it instead moved north into the heart of the Appenines as a way to get around the Papal force. After passing through Alatri and Fiuggi, the Army of Naples arrived at the town of Subiaco, the source of the Aniene River which flows into the Tiber and thus to Rome. The Army of Naples reached Subiaco in May of 1866. After a month of camping in the town, the Army of Naples began its trek down the course of the Aniene.

The Army of Naples began their slow descent down the Appenines toward Rome without the help of a rail supply line. The nearest Italian rail depot to their position was in L'Aquila, approximately 50 miles away. Following the Aniene, the Army of Naples took a staggering two weeks to get to the opening of the mountains at Tivoli with small groups of Papal soldiers and combatants loyal to the Catholic Church harassing the army the entire way down the river. Even worse for the Army of Naples, when the Italian army finally arrived at Tivoli, the Papal forces were waiting for them. The Battle of Tivoli was a struggle for the Army of Naples as the Papal forces held the beleaguered Italians back for two months until another Italian detachment arrived from the north. The Papal army eventually succumbed to the Italian forces and Rome fell in September of 1866.

During the months that the Papal army held of the Italians in the Battle of Tivoli, the College of Cardinals held a meeting about what to do if the Italians were to succeed in capturing Rome. The main point of contention was Garibaldi's insistence that he would not grant the Pope any temporal authority as Bishop of Rome. Through much debate in the College, it was decided that Pope Pius IX was to go into exile in an accepting Catholic country and wait until Garibaldi or a future Italian leader accepted maintaining the Pope's temporal authority. However, a large number of the cardinals including Pope Pius himself dissented and wanted to remain in Rome at the expense of any secular power the Pope had.

Thus began what would eventually be known as the Modern Papal Schism. As the Italians occpuied Rome, Pope Pius and the College of Cardinals fled to Spain in exile. After a few years, Garibaldi made concessions and let Pope Pius back into Rome if the Papacy agreed to give up its temporal authority, which the Pope and some of the cardinals did. However, the more conservative cardinals refused Garibaldi's demands and elected Archbishop of Toledo Cirilo de Alameda y Brea[1] as their own Pope Alexander IX.


Mountains Above: Throughout 1866, the Alps and Sudeten mountains remained a difficult battleground in the fight between Prussia and Austria over supremacy in the German Confederation. Prussia made many advances in the Sudeten in 1866, but all of them were rather minimal. The remainder of Saxony was occupied by Prussia and that army entered Austria-Hungary and reached as far Lubenec in July. The army was countered by the Austrians there, however, and was forced to retreat back to Karlovy Vary. Steffen Osisek led his Prussian force south from Liberec ten miles south to Turnov before turning southeast in order to catch any Austrian defensive fortifications on the Silesian border from behind. Osisek surrounded an Austrian fortress facing Waldenburg[2] and secured the lower hills there before moving back south to Hradec Karlove.

The Alps remained a much tougher obstacle to the Bavarian advance than the Sudeten Mountains had been to the Prussians. With only narrow passes into the Alps, the Austrians were able to put up a far more effective defense with a smaller number of soldiers than in the Sudeten or the Po Valley. In addition, the Bavarians had to spend much of the year repulsing the Austrian incursion up the Danube as well as completing the occupation of Wurttemberg to the west. Despite these drawbacks, Bavaria did manage a few significant border crossings in 1866. Maximilian II was able to occupy Salzburg after leading the army that captured the city himself, and triumphantly entered the city on August 9th, which is now celebrated in Salzburg as Reclamation Day. Bavaria also occupied the low-lying area surrounding Bergenz on the border with Switzerland.


Valleys Below: While the advances of Prussia and Bavaria in the mountains were going rather slowly, the progression of the fronts in the Po Valley and in northwestern Germany and Denmark were progressing quite well for the Unification powers. Prussia fended off a joint Hanoverian-Danish attack on Hamburg in May of 1866 and moved west and reached Brunsbuttel in late June splitting the two countries off from each other. A Prussian naval squadron took the island of Bornholm and landed an army at Store Heddinge after defeating the Danish navy in the Fakse Bay. The Prussians reached Copenhagen in August and with the help of the navy, took the city in a week. With Copenhagen captured, the remainder of Denmark fell quickly and the Danish government agreed to cede the portions of Denmark within the German Confederation.

The Kingdom of Hanover was equally quick to fall to Prussia. Osnabrück and Göttingen had already fallen the previous year, and after the Prussian army split the Danes off, Prussia could fully focus on Hanover in the north. Emsland was separated from the main portion of Hanover early in the summer and the city of Hanover itself was captured in late June. Prussia made further gains in July with the occupation of the city of Cuxhaven and Emsland, and in August the Prussians reached Bremen. After Bremen was captured, the Hanoverian government surrendered and the Kingdom of Hanover bowed out of the war allowing Prussia to focus all her attention on Austria.

South of the Alps, the Italians were advancing slower than the Germans but they were making steady progress. Starting in April, pro-Italian uprisings began scattered around cities in Lombardy and Venetia. The most significant of these were in Bergamo, Brescia, Verona, and Padua. While the uprisings in Brescia and Padua were put down by the Austrian military, Italian armies were able to support and advance up to Bergamo and Padua by late June and keep the cities in Italian hands. The remainder of the summer and fall was spent shoring up the defenses on both sides according to the new front line. While Austria was showing great resolve in the war thus far, its cracks began to appear. A Croatian nationalist group destroyed two Austrian naval vessels in an attack in Dubrovnik in November of 1866, a sign of the weakening control of Vienna over the country.

[1] A real life archbishop of Toledo and member of the College of Cardinals in OTL. Thank you Wikipedia for having a list of Spanish cardinals. :D
[2] Now the city of Wałbrzych in southwestern Poland.
 
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I don't know much about Europe at this time so no comment other than nice map and it looks like Austria is coming out ahead. I can't wait to see the papal schism take shape.
 
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