Union and Liberty: An American TL

I just had a fun Wikipedia session checking each name dropped to see their OTL lives. :D Critics may say you're killing too many butterflies, but I see it as an intellectual game you set for us readers, looking for why those obscure figures were chosen. Like Gillette, at first I'm like "the razor guy?" :confused: then I read the second section of his wiki page and think "Oh, now I get it!" :cool:

Also, Republican fusion candidates with Socialists! :p
I love how you totally altered political evolution in your TL.
 
It is interesting that the Republicans could have easily won had they taken one more key state. Wonder what would have happened had the anti-war party been elected in the middle of a war.

Will the emergence of the Conservadores in Cuba result in the creation of more regional parties? I could see a Orgeon based party emerge seeing how the Northwest states might consider themselves somewhat isolated from the rest of the country.

I just had a fun Wikipedia session checking each name dropped to see their OTL lives. Critics may say you're killing too many butterflies, but I see it as an intellectual game you set for us readers, looking for why those obscure figures were chosen. Like Gillette, at first I'm like "the razor guy?" then I read the second section of his wiki page and think "Oh, now I get it!"

I agree this is one of the best things of TTL.

Keep it up Wilcox! Not sure if you were planning on it but an update on the tech and strategy that is evolving in this early-but-perhaps-more-technologically-advanced-with-lack-of trench-warfare WWI analogue.
 
It is interesting that the Republicans could have easily won had they taken one more key state. Wonder what would have happened had the anti-war party been elected in the middle of a war.

Will the emergence of the Conservadores in Cuba result in the creation of more regional parties? I could see a Orgeon based party emerge seeing how the Northwest states might consider themselves somewhat isolated from the rest of the country.

Well, maybe so. And I guess maybe someday a Southern-based party might spring up as well(perhaps it could be along the lines of OTL's States Right's Party?).

I agree this is one of the best things of TTL.

Keep it up Wilcox! Not sure if you were planning on it but an update on the tech and strategy that is evolving in this early-but-perhaps-more-technologically-advanced-with-lack-of trench-warfare WWI analogue.

That was definitely pretty cool, IMHO. :D:D
 
Well, maybe so. And I guess maybe someday a Southern-based party might spring up as well(perhaps it could be along the lines of OTL's States Right's Party?).

Maybe, but now that I think about it; the existence of the Liberty Party as the main drive for Southern Secession during the National War, should actually create a major distrust of regional parties or single platform parties in TTL. Nobody serious about furthering their political career would want to be associated with something like them again.
 
Maybe, but now that I think about it; the existence of the Liberty Party as the main drive for Southern Secession during the National War, should actually create a major distrust of regional parties or single platform parties in TTL. Nobody serious about furthering their political career would want to be associated with something like them again.

You could be right about that, TBH.

(P.S., I know this is a tad off-topic, but I've got a TL running in which our Liberty Party is doing better than it did IOTL; this is going to have pretty notable consequences in the not too distant future.....here it is:La Tierra Afortunada: A Better, and Nicer, Mexico.)
 
What are the ideological and practical differences between the Republicans and Progressives (other than on the war)?

I ask because they both seem to be on "The Left" in some ways, with the Republicans seeming to be becoming solidly left while the Progressives tack to the center. Or am I totally off the mark?
 
It is interesting that the Republicans could have easily won had they taken one more key state. Wonder what would have happened had the anti-war party been elected in the middle of a war.

Will the emergence of the Conservadores in Cuba result in the creation of more regional parties? I could see a Orgeon based party emerge seeing how the Northwest states might consider themselves somewhat isolated from the rest of the country.



I agree this is one of the best things of TTL.

My guess would be they might make a peace with concessions with Britain and California, which would be gobbling up the less populated parts.

And yeah, I like Cuba having a distinct state identity still. It only makes sense. It was thoroughly populated before, with a different culture and language.

Keep it up Wilcox! Not sure if you were planning on it but an update on the tech and strategy that is evolving in this early-but-perhaps-more-technologically-advanced-with-lack-of trench-warfare WWI analogue.

This is an aspect that has me really curious. So far trench warfare had been limited to certain fronts (well at least my impression). Sort of picturing it resembling the Mexican Revolution and the more mobile Eastern Front of OTL's WWI.
 
Part One-Hundred Nineteen: The Brazilian Civil War
Last update before I leave is done. I'll respond to comments later tonight.

Part One-Hundred Nineteen: The Brazilian Civil War

The End of Slavery in Brazil:
Around the time of the Great War, another set of conflicts was brewing in Ibero-America. In Brazil, after the death of Emperor Pedro II in 1902, there was some uncertainty whether his son and successor Afonso I would continue the practice of slavery in Brazil. It was well known that Pedro II personally opposed it, and slavery was already in decline in the south of the country in the early 19th century. However, the slow removal of the Emperor from public affairs as he aged and the influx of former Confederate planters revitalized slavery, especially in the northern regions of the country where labor intensive plantation crops like cotton and sugar were commonly grown. This quickly contrasted with the more urban southern region of Brazil.

During the early 19th century, there was some semblance of a slow path to reform and abolitionism. One of the major proponents of reform, Joao Mauricio Vanderlei the first Baron of Cotejipe, was influential behind the outlawing of the importation of slaves to Brazil in 1860 while Minister of Foreign Relations, and as President of the Council of Ministers Vanderlei helped pass the Sexagenarian Law in 1882, which freed all slaves who were of 60 years of age or older[1]. However, despite this gradual emancipation, the revitalization of slavery in the north made opposition to the laws sectional. And while Pedro II was able to maintain neutrality on the subject, Afonso I held a more convicted opinion on the matter.

During the later years of Pedro II's reign, then Prince Imperial Afonso frequently complained to his father about the slow progress of abolitionism in correspondence between the two[2]. When Afonso I succeeded his father, one of his first prerogatives was to fully outlaw slavery. He had the support of his younger sister Isabel and of much of the public on this matter. However, the more conservative elite that dominated Brazilian politics opposed the matter, and began touting the idea of abolishing the monarchy and establishing a republic. The issue festered and finally came to blows in 1905 when Afonso passed the Lei Aurea or Golden Law, that unequivocally free all the slaves in Brazil. An attempted coup was launched and when that failed, the northern states of Maranahao, Piahui, Ceara, Rio Grande do Norte, Paraiba, Alagoas, and Pernambuco formed the Republic of Brazil[3]. The state of Sao Paulo could have been expected to join with the main production of the state being coffee, but an abolitionist sentiment had been promoted by Afro-Brazilians over the previous decades. There was some fighting in the state during the civil war and a republican presence in the interior, but the coast of the state never fall to the republic.

The Republic of Brazil, unlike the CSA in the National War, was not formed out of a desire for secession but in order to overthrow the emperor in Rio de Janeiro. And so the Brazilian Civil War began, with the Republic holding much of northeast Brazil and interior regions of Sao Paulo and Minas Gerais. The Republican forces were also bolstered in the beginning by the defection of several army officers who had participated in the attempted coup, including the republic's general Floriano Peixoto[4].

The Republican forces moved west and south along the coasts quickly, aiming to capture the ports at Belem and Salvador and further entrench their hold on northeast Brazil. By August of 1905, Belem had been captured and the Republican forces were nearing Salvador. However, while Peixoto had gained the defection of much of the Brazilian army, the navy remained loyal to king Afonso[5]. The republican army launched its assault on Salvador in September, and while the city soon fell, the navy continued to sit outside the Bahia dos Santos blockading the bay. As the republican forces continued south, Salvador revolted and the city was soon back in monarchist hands.

After the capture of Salvador, the main republican forces struck south further inland. The republican army was mainly composed of two armies, one following the Sao Francisco River and one following the Tocantins River. With the fighting in Salvador, the republican army advancing down the Tocantins moved quicker than the one moving down the Sao Francisco. The Tocantins Army, moving south from Belem, and found little resistance from the sparsely populated interior of the country. The Tocantins army reached Sao Felix do Tocantins by October of 1905[6], and the monarchist forces only encountered the army at Vila Boa de Goias. At the encounter of the Brazilian army after the long march, however, the weary Tocantins army was shattered and the commanding general captured. The republican army on the Sao Francisco fared better, defeating a monarchist army at Januaria, before being routed at Pirapora. The republican rebellion began to collapse after these defeats, with assistance from the British navy. While the majority of territory was brought under control by the end of the year, holdouts remained in Fortaleza, Maceio, the interior of Sao Paulo, and the island of Sao Luis for months. Peixoto was captured at Sao Luis on May 12, 1906 and slavery in the Americas was ended at last.

[1] The Sexagenarian Law was passed in OTL in 1885. ITTL there was no Law of Free Birth.
[2] Pedro II is more active in his later life due to having an heir, but his old age still slows him down.
[3] Basically everything in Northeast Brazil except for Bahia.
[4] OTL president in the early Republic.
[5] The navy was loyal to the monarchy, and led a few revolts after the establishment of the First Republic in OTL.
[6] Sao Felix appears on some old maps but I couldn't find it on google maps. It's on the Tocantins River at about the same latitude as Salvador.
 
Sweet update. I get the feeling that the Empire of Brazil will now be in debt with Britain. Some clashes between the US, and Brazilian navy might be inevitable if Brazil is forced into the Great War.

Nice update! Slavery ending in 1906... Wow.

Yeah, kinda intense. Especially since the US went a little more radical with reconstruction in TTL. You'd expect the message to spread further faster.

This also brings the question, when did slavery end in Veracruz and Costa Rica? Since they were rather friendly to American filibusters in TTL (Davis and Walker respectively).

Another interesting butterfly of Brazil focusing on cotton and sugar crops well into 1906 is who picked up the slack in the rubber industry? Most likely larger Bolivia and Mokuguay would be the only alternatives. And with tech being slightly ahead of OTL here the rubber boom had to have come with strength, which might bring a slight economic boosts to these two countries.
 
Vacation starts later today, so see you all in a month!

I just had a fun Wikipedia session checking each name dropped to see their OTL lives. :D Critics may say you're killing too many butterflies, but I see it as an intellectual game you set for us readers, looking for why those obscure figures were chosen. Like Gillette, at first I'm like "the razor guy?" :confused: then I read the second section of his wiki page and think "Oh, now I get it!" :cool:

Also, Republican fusion candidates with Socialists! :p
I love how you totally altered political evolution in your TL.
Thanks! Looking for people to fill in those minor roles is fun. :D

It is interesting that the Republicans could have easily won had they taken one more key state. Wonder what would have happened had the anti-war party been elected in the middle of a war.

Will the emergence of the Conservadores in Cuba result in the creation of more regional parties? I could see a Orgeon based party emerge seeing how the Northwest states might consider themselves somewhat isolated from the rest of the country.
Yeah, I'm planning on having a few more regional parties develop. For now it'll probably be just in Cuba, but more will come about later.

I agree this is one of the best things of TTL.

Keep it up Wilcox! Not sure if you were planning on it but an update on the tech and strategy that is evolving in this early-but-perhaps-more-technologically-advanced-with-lack-of trench-warfare WWI analogue.
I might do one on it later, not sure.

Well, maybe so. And I guess maybe someday a Southern-based party might spring up as well(perhaps it could be along the lines of OTL's States Right's Party?).
Well for the moment the Democrats will be doing a good job at filling the role of a Southern regional party. ;)

What are the ideological and practical differences between the Republicans and Progressives (other than on the war)?

I ask because they both seem to be on "The Left" in some ways, with the Republicans seeming to be becoming solidly left while the Progressives tack to the center. Or am I totally off the mark?
It's actually more the Republicans that are tacking to the center. The Progressives have a fairly set platform, while the Republicans are still more of a big tent party, or trying to be. They are kind of in the wind now though as far as platform goes.

This is an aspect that has me really curious. So far trench warfare had been limited to certain fronts (well at least my impression). Sort of picturing it resembling the Mexican Revolution and the more mobile Eastern Front of OTL's WWI.
Much of the fighting in Europe has been in either the trenches or in mountains, with the Polish front really being the only somewhat mobile front. That will start to change soon though. The strategic lessons from the war, though, will mostly be in respect to naval warfare.

This also brings the question, when did slavery end in Veracruz and Costa Rica? Since they were rather friendly to American filibusters in TTL (Davis and Walker respectively).

Another interesting butterfly of Brazil focusing on cotton and sugar crops well into 1906 is who picked up the slack in the rubber industry? Most likely larger Bolivia and Mokuguay would be the only alternatives. And with tech being slightly ahead of OTL here the rubber boom had to have come with strength, which might bring a slight economic boosts to these two countries.
Slavery in Veracruz and Costa Rica ended in the 1870s and 1880s, and yes there was much US pressure involved in the matter.

As for Brazil's cotton, in OTL that industry was largely reduced by a Great Drought in 1877-78, so here with no drought the cotton industry stays strong. Brazil still has a large rubber boom, just a bit later. It didn't really play a role in the civil war which is why it wasn't mentioned. The brief capture of Belem would have some effect on it though. Off the top of my head maybe with a larger Bolivia there are some tensions over the western Amazon as Bolivia tries to move in on the rubber industry, kind of like the tensions over Acre in OTL?
 
I am wondering if with the existence of a three party system, that seems to be headed towards a multi-party system. If the Socialists and Conservadores are indicators of anything. If there will be some electoral reform in TTL. So far the problem has been avoided, but with three or more parties it becomes increasingly easy to get elections where neither party gets an electoral majority. And the elections are thrown in the house and senate (in the case of the Vice-President). This might start posing a problem, with situations were the President and Vice-president are from different parties, or perhaps long deadlocks in the house elections.

If this does become an issue later on. I'm really looking forward to see what solution you find. This is the perfect TL to end up with an original election system for the US. (I personally vote for a 2nd round elections between the two parties with the highest vote).

It's actually more the Republicans that are tacking to the center. The Progressives have a fairly set platform, while the Republicans are still more of a big tent party, or trying to be. They are kind of in the wind now though as far as platform goes.

It seems like the Republicans and their platform will likely end up with a "conservative populist" label. They've clearly become economically "left" as they are not shy of allying with Socialists, and even with Progressives in the past. Yet they might have a more conservative attitude when it comes to anything outside labor and anti-monopoly laws. Their isolationist platform would be a part of this.
And if they play their cards right they might be the ones who answer to the grievances of the Conservador Party. Ibero states tend to be swing states it seems, this could bring them more in favor with the Republicans.

Progressives on the other hand seem to be and will likely stay "progressive", meaning solidly and traditionally left.

Under this assumption, in the near future Republicans might steal the west and mid-west voting block from the Progressives down the line. Though the Progressives might keep a solid hold on the Great Lakes states.

The Democrats are rather interesting here. They are clearly not as conservative as OTL. At this point they were the "populist conservative" party in OTL. Here they had McKinley for President. Nevertheless they are still moving South. But to a South that is different from OTL, much more diverse and a little more developed along the Gulf Coast. Out of the three they seem to be the ones headed towards a rather interesting evolution.

How was there no drought ITTL? Weather wouldn't be affected at all by the PoD.

Not by the PoD but the butterflies. Weather is affected by human actions and patters. If a different dam or causeway were built rivers act differently. Higher population densities in other parts of the world (the US most notably here). Would also have some effect on weather patterns. It is likely a drought will happen, but maybe it'll be later. Or it did happen but it wasn't too severe.

Another ecological butterfly that might happen in TTL is either an earlier Dust Bowl in the US, or none at all. The higher population density means more of the mid-West has been farmed causing greater erosion earlier. And thus the US might experience such severe dust storm earlier. Or alternatively if dryland farming techniques have already been implemented it can avoid the worst of it. Both cases will then cause butterflies that will affect global weather patters.

For the most part, TLs tend to keep weather butterflies in a big net cause it is impossible to predict or control. But I for one enjoy it when a TL pays attention to them.
 
I'm back! Had a wonderful trip. We drove through Alsace, western Switzerland, and Savoy, then back up through Franche-Comte and a bit more in Alsace back up to Frankfurt, then a few days in London before flying home. I should be able to get the next update done this week.
 
I'm back! Had a wonderful trip. We drove through Alsace, western Switzerland, and Savoy, then back up through Franche-Comte and a bit more in Alsace back up to Frankfurt, then a few days in London before flying home. I should be able to get the next update done this week.

Wow, that's awesome.....:D
 
I'm back! Had a wonderful trip. We drove through Alsace, western Switzerland, and Savoy, then back up through Franche-Comte and a bit more in Alsace back up to Frankfurt, then a few days in London before flying home. I should be able to get the next update done this week.

Of all places in Europe, you decided to tour the Jura? I might be biased, but from what I've seen of that area it seems to be mostly empty hills and high living costs.
 
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