Union and Liberty: An American TL

Hello again everyone! Sorry for the long absence, it was part laziness and procrastination and part starting other writing projects. But don't worry, Union and Liberty is by no means dead. I just finished the outline for the next update and that should be done sometime this week!

What about German in the Midwest? Even in OTL German was pretty widely spoken in the northern midwest until it was seen as unpatriotic to do so. Here the US will be aligned to Germany in the Great War. Will German Americans retain their heritage? Itasca and Pembina are likely German majority states anyway.

Then there also be the issue of Spanish in Jackson, Florida, and Cuba. The Ibero culture of the US seems to be thriving in TTL. And what about the Dutch in Calhoun, which in the 1860 language map was very Dutch but that might have changed by now.

In an unrelated question what is the status of Native American in TTL? I know the removal was less severe. The Seminoles were allowed to stay in Florida, and the rest of the civilized tribes, I believe were allowed to settle in Arkansas and northwestern Mississippi. There was also no mention of the Indian Wars, so are the Great Plains tribes doing better? Is the Dakotah territory meant for them - it is shitty land, but something is something if they are allowed some autonomy there.
I also wonder how the more urban/densely populated US is affecting the natives?

Alright that is my bump.
German and Spanish are still thriving in the upper Midwest and the Gulf coast respectively. The Dutch in Calhoun is mostly dying away but will still survive as its own dialect (Plains Dutch or something like that?) in small areas of the state. I haven't really thought much about the status of native Americans as of now. The Plains Indians are probably slowly being pushed off their lands (IIRC I mentioned a reservation in western Colorado a while back) while the Civilized Tribes have mostly integrated into the rest of the population. There's still a native identity in the Southeast but it isn't as pronounced. I like the idea of Dakota becoming an Indian territory, I hadn't considered doing something like that. With the Seminole there's more of an identity than the other Civilized Tribes, since there hasn't really been much settling of southern Florida beyond Gadsden (Tampa) and the Keys. With Cuba a US state for so long I don't think the Florida land boom would happen so south Florida would probably remain sparsely populated for a while.
 
Hello again everyone! Sorry for the long absence, it was part laziness and procrastination and part starting other writing projects. But don't worry, Union and Liberty is by no means dead. I just finished the outline for the next update and that should be done sometime this week!

Awesome! Glad to know this is not dead. Keep up the awesome work.

German and Spanish are still thriving in the upper Midwest and the Gulf coast respectively. The Dutch in Calhoun is mostly dying away but will still survive as its own dialect (Plains Dutch or something like that?) in small areas of the state. I haven't really thought much about the status of native Americans as of now. The Plains Indians are probably slowly being pushed off their lands (IIRC I mentioned a reservation in western Colorado a while back) while the Civilized Tribes have mostly integrated into the rest of the population. There's still a native identity in the Southeast but it isn't as pronounced. I like the idea of Dakota becoming an Indian territory, I hadn't considered doing something like that. With the Seminole there's more of an identity than the other Civilized Tribes, since there hasn't really been much settling of southern Florida beyond Gadsden (Tampa) and the Keys. With Cuba a US state for so long I don't think the Florida land boom would happen so south Florida would probably remain sparsely populated for a while.

Cool, it be fun to have Spanish German and French survive as local languages in TTL. Essentially states like Itasca, Louisiana, Tejas could pass laws requiring counties that have, say 40% german french of spanish (respectively) speakers to offer bilingual education.

And I do like the idea of a Seminole identity in Florida.

Anyways looking forward to anything new you come up with.
 
Glad to hear. I didn't think it was seriously going to die, but it has been a while compared to your usual activity without an announced leave of absence.

If the Seminole are isolated, there culture would probably be thriving to an extant. Even in OTL, Florida Seminole deep in the swamps still live very traditionally.

And I'm still curious how the overall warfare of the Great War looks. Like I said before, it seems far more mobile with true trench warfare only here and there.
 
I'm working on the next update and it should be done today. Meanwhile I have a question. How early would you all say is reasonable for having the anti-papacy elect someone from the Americas? Because Gabriel Garcia Moreno would be a good fit but he might be born too early to plausibly get elected.
 
I'm working on the next update and it should be done today. Meanwhile I have a question. How early would you all say is reasonable for having the anti-papacy elect someone from the Americas? Because Gabriel Garcia Moreno would be a good fit but he might be born too early to plausibly get elected.

Hey Wilcox. I'm glad to know we'll be getting an update soon. You've been seriously missed. Regarding your question, I think there are a few things to consider:

First, how seriously do people in Europe take the temporal Church? It seems to me that almost everyone - at least everyone in Europe, with the exception of some hyper-conservatives in Spain - believe the Pope in Rome to be the legitimate Church,and regard the temporal Church as a bunch of cranks. As such would any European Cardinals, except for the handful that left Rome, really be eligible or willing to be elected temporal-Pope? Cause, the way I see it they will run out of Cardinals real soon if they don't start electing someone from the Americas soon.

My other question, how far has the new faith spread across the Americas? and where? It's been noted that the Catholic Church has gained a stronger foothold in the US in TTL than in OTL, especially in the South (notoriously anti-Catholic in OTL) where the black population has adopted it, thanks to Ibero immigration. Are these new Catholics in the US, Roman or Temporal Catholic? A mix? Besides the US, where is the Temporal Church preaching? Puebla doesn't quite have the resources or international clout to really supply the Temporal Church with big missionary efforts. Secondly, it seems that Mesoamerica, rejected the authority of the Temporal Church; mostly because it has been headed by liberals and because Puebla never joined the Union. What about the other Ibero-American countries? It seems to me, that this might be a very insular Church. Thus if Gabriel Garcia Moreno is already somewhat influential in Equador and a follower of the Temporal Catholic Faith,* then why the hell not? The Church will certainly not be gaining followers/popularity in Europe an Ibero-American being named Pope would certainly give it some legitimacy in the continent or at the very least some extra support for missionary efforts in South America.

Anyways, while we are on the topic of religion. I guess I have two more questions.

If the majority of the US Catholics follow the more liberal Roman Church of TTL. What is the status Americanist Heresy ? It is likely this Chruch of TTL would not condem most of its ideals. The term itself might not have even been coined, and the Church might actually aprove of people like Hecker as a way to gain followers, against the Temporal Church, especially in the United States.

Also, besides the US, what is the status of religion in California? Ibero-Californios, are likely approaching a plurality rather than majority status. Assuming these guys are Catholic (of either Church), how have they reacted to this. Generally, populations tend to stress such things. But it could be that they've found other secular markers of Californio identity. Including the rejection of the Church.

*Also, I am assuming that they don't refer to themselves as the Temporal Catholic Church. What term do they use to distinguish themselves from the Catholic Church?
 
Part One-Hundred Fourteen: 1908 in the Great War
Update's done. Footnoes will be added tonight or tomorrow.

Part One-Hundred Fourteen: 1908 in the Great War


War Rages Across Europe:
Through 1908 the Great War raged across Europe as the French and German armies continued to push outward against the members of the New Coalition. German forces in Hungary advanced in the south where the New Coalition forces were weakest, and finally marched into Slavonia. Varasd was captured by Germany in May of 1908, and Varpalota was retaken in July. Budapest, however, remained firmly entrenched by the New Coalition through the German offensive. The war in Poland progressed more slowly, but the German advance finally converged on Warsaw in July and after a two month assault, the city finally fell in September. The spring of 1908 also had one of the few naval actions of the war in the Baltic Sea. Alexander Kolchak[1] led the Russian Batlic squadron toward Danzig and Königsberg and met a German fleet in the Bay of Danzig. Kolchak's squadron managed to defeat the Germans and proceeded to blockade the bay until a section of the High Seas Fleet was sent into the Baltic and forced the Russians to withdraw.

Meanwhile, the fleet actions in the Mediterranean continued to heat up between the New Coalition and the Alliance Carolingien. For Great Britain, the Mediterranean offered a way to complete the blockade of French trade outside the European continent. However, with the French navy having a larger presence in the Mediterranean than in the North Atlantic, the British resorted to the stealthier use of submarines. Using bases on the Spanish and Italian coasts, the two British submarine squadrons intercepted French shipping primarily going through the Straits of Sicily and between France and North Africa after the Strait of Gibraltar was thoroughly cut off to the French. In March of 1908, a brief expedition was sent to lay mines along the Egyptian coast around the Suez Canal, but after a French destroyer sailing through the strait was sunk and divers discovered the cause of the wreckage, outrage from the Egyptian government ended any more action there.

On the Spanish front, the French advance continued to focus on consolidating French control north and east of the Ebro River. As the harsh winter of the northern Spanish coast turned to spring, the French forces finally broke the British and Spanish hold on Bilbao and captured the city in March. As Bilbao fell, the French once again started a multi-pronged advance toward Zaragoza. The Battle of La Rioja stalled the French for months northwest of Zaragoza, but the French forces in Catalonia could now bear their full brunt moving west. Zaragoza fell to the French in August of 1908. It was also around this time that the political momentum in Spain began to turn against the conservative ruling party in the Cortes. In a strange alliance, the ultraconservative supporters of the Carlist pretender found friends in the anarchists and cantonalists. Both opposed the centralization of the Alfonsine Reforms, and with the poor course of the war both groups were gaining influence as the people turned against king Alfonso and the Cortes[2].


The War Around the World:
While the progress of the war on the European continent was shifting in favor of the Alliance Carolingien, elsewhere in the world the New Coalition was having more but mixed successes. In Asia, Japan and Russia continued harassing Corean ships in the Sea of Japan and made occasional threats on Cheju. Further south, the British East Asian Squadron moved north along the Chinese coast from Guangzhou to blockade Amoy, Fuzhou, and other nearby French and Koean treaty ports. Meanwhile, rumblings in Spain also surfaced in the colonies. With covert French support to the underground Katipunan organization, a guerrilla rebellion by the Filipino independence group began in the summer of 1908 that soon controlled a large area north of Manila[3].

In Africa, the New Coalition fared worse than in east Asia. Coordinated offensives by South Africa and German forces in Tanganjika attacked into the Portuguese colony of Mozambique, moving down the coast of the sparsely garrisoned colony. By the end of 1908 nearly all of Mozambique had ostensibly fallen under control of the Alliance Carolingien, though many interior areas of the colony were still largely unreachable. The Portuguese held out, however, in two places with support of the British navy. First was the capital, the island fortress of Mozambique. The second holdout was the town of Chinde on the delta of the Zambezi River. The combination of British naval patrols up and down the coast and the coastal fortifications established in the towns prevented any extended assault by Germany or South Africa on the two cities.

Meanwhile, the German commander Reinhard Kandt launched another offensive with his colonial troops west from Tanganjika into British Katanga. This time Kandt was better prepared than in the 1907 expedition, and successfully ousted the British from the fort at Kasama. From Kasama, Kandt led the expedition southwest to the shores of Lake Bangueolo and south down the Luapula River. Kandt was able to skirt around the British outpost at Fort Rosebery[4] and in early 1909 engaged the British garrison at Victoria in Katanga[5]. Kandt was forced to retreat but again the expedition slipped past Fort Rosebery and now held camp on Lake Bangweolo. The attack on Victoria and South African raids on Bechuanaland worried the governors of the Cape Colony. After these incidents, a resolution was passed to lease a vast area of the northwest part of the Cape Colony to Belgium in order to keep the Tsumeb mine safe from raids[6]. This region, called Hereroland after the native inhabitants, was originally leased for five years but the lease was extended after the end of the Great War.

[1] Alexander Kolchak was a navy commander and a leader of the Whites in the Russian Civil War in OTL.
[2] With no Third Carlist War and Spanish Republic the Carlists remain more influential in TTL. I still haven't decided if this is still Alfonso XII or if Alfonso XIII is on the throne.
[3] Still led by Andres Bonifacio as in OTL.
[4] Fort Rosebery is now Mansa, Zambia.
[5] Victoria = Lubumbashi.
[6] Of course, the governors of the Cape Colony keep their stakes in the mine and their share of its profits. ;)
 
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Nice, logged in to finally see an update.:D

Belgium now has an in on the Cape, wow. Wonder if Spain's going to try and drop out of the war now with the shift in government.
 
I would really like to see how many Americans belong to either Catholic Church. Also, the Temporal Catholic Church is going to have to start electing popes from the Americas.

As for the Americanist heresy, I can easily see that as being used against the Temporal Catholics.
 
Looks like the war is soon to be over. I wonder, when if at all is the US joining? If Spain folds up, the war in the west is basically done, and I can't see Russia holding together in the face of those odds.
 
Very interesting update, I may end up subscribing before too long at this rate. A couple of questions though;

1) I noticed California is independent, and would assume it is mostly Hispanic in culture and language. Has there been any American or East Asian influence on the national character, or has that been suppressed?

2) Regarding Virginia, what's with the NoVA split (how/why did it happen)? And please tell me the NNK/Westmoreland County+East portion is still in VA (personally I think whatever state this is is WAY more than what Northern Virginia is in terms of geography, but that's just me).

3) What's with the heavy Gaelic-speaking population in British North America? I know there have been speakers of it in Nova Scotia before, but they've pretty much been dying out. What propelled more of them to settle in the New World ITTL?

4) Finally, would you say the Civil Rights movement is moving along more successfully ITTL, or less? I read one of your updates that seemed to indicate that things weren't as bad for blacks as OTL by this point.
 
Great to hear that U&T is still alive wilcoxchar. Question about California, how developed is their infrastructure?
The coast and the San Joaquin Valley have decent railroads, but further east in the interior is still mostly wagon paths except for going to the mines. The Mormon areas also have some railways but use the US standard gauge.

Hey Wilcox. I'm glad to know we'll be getting an update soon. You've been seriously missed. Regarding your question, I think there are a few things to consider:

First, how seriously do people in Europe take the temporal Church? It seems to me that almost everyone - at least everyone in Europe, with the exception of some hyper-conservatives in Spain - believe the Pope in Rome to be the legitimate Church,and regard the temporal Church as a bunch of cranks. As such would any European Cardinals, except for the handful that left Rome, really be eligible or willing to be elected temporal-Pope? Cause, the way I see it they will run out of Cardinals real soon if they don't start electing someone from the Americas soon.

My other question, how far has the new faith spread across the Americas? and where? It's been noted that the Catholic Church has gained a stronger foothold in the US in TTL than in OTL, especially in the South (notoriously anti-Catholic in OTL) where the black population has adopted it, thanks to Ibero immigration. Are these new Catholics in the US, Roman or Temporal Catholic? A mix? Besides the US, where is the Temporal Church preaching? Puebla doesn't quite have the resources or international clout to really supply the Temporal Church with big missionary efforts. Secondly, it seems that Mesoamerica, rejected the authority of the Temporal Church; mostly because it has been headed by liberals and because Puebla never joined the Union. What about the other Ibero-American countries? It seems to me, that this might be a very insular Church. Thus if Gabriel Garcia Moreno is already somewhat influential in Equador and a follower of the Temporal Catholic Faith,* then why the hell not? The Church will certainly not be gaining followers/popularity in Europe an Ibero-American being named Pope would certainly give it some legitimacy in the continent or at the very least some extra support for missionary efforts in South America.
Thanks for the analysis. :) The split originally wasn't taken too seriously but by 1900 it has become a serious matter, as many conservative bishops in Spain and France have switched over due to the anti-clerical nature of those countries. The Temporal Catholics have absorbed a lot of the integrist faction in the church. In the Americas it's become popular in most of the Mexican states and is growing in South America. I guess the need for legitimacy and the decreasing number of cardinals would start to outweigh any concerns for tradition and European supremacy. Gabriel Garcia Moreno for Pope it is. :D

Anyways, while we are on the topic of religion. I guess I have two more questions.

If the majority of the US Catholics follow the more liberal Roman Church of TTL. What is the status Americanist Heresy ? It is likely this Chruch of TTL would not condem most of its ideals. The term itself might not have even been coined, and the Church might actually aprove of people like Hecker as a way to gain followers, against the Temporal Church, especially in the United States.

Also, besides the US, what is the status of religion in California? Ibero-Californios, are likely approaching a plurality rather than majority status. Assuming these guys are Catholic (of either Church), how have they reacted to this. Generally, populations tend to stress such things. But it could be that they've found other secular markers of Californio identity. Including the rejection of the Church.

*Also, I am assuming that they don't refer to themselves as the Temporal Catholic Church. What term do they use to distinguish themselves from the Catholic Church?
I hadn't really thought much about the Americanist heresy. I could see them reconciling with the church in Rome, with the Roman Catholics staying largely Irish in the US while the Ibero Catholics are more Puebla Catholics. Not sure where the French or German Catholics would fall. I'm also thinking that maybe the Old Catholic Church would reconcile with the Temporal Catholics.

In California, the Catholics are still a majority in many of the core areas of the country as the Anglo population is still mostly confined to the far north or the Mormon areas.

As for what the Temporal Catholics call themselves, I'm not really sure.

I would really like to see how many Americans belong to either Catholic Church. Also, the Temporal Catholic Church is going to have to start electing popes from the Americas.

As for the Americanist heresy, I can easily see that as being used against the Temporal Catholics.
I'm going to have to see what the OTL numbers were, so a proper breakdown will probably have to wait a bit. When I do an update on the church though I'll be sure to include it.
 
I hadn't really thought much about the Americanist heresy. I could see them reconciling with the church in Rome, with the Roman Catholics staying largely Irish in the US while the Ibero Catholics are more Puebla Catholics.
I'm also thinking that maybe the Old Catholic Church would reconcile with the Temporal Catholics.
I agree.
Not sure where the French or German Catholics would fall.
They would probably follow the same tendencies than in the home countries.

As for what the Temporal Catholics call themselves, I'm not really sure..
Maybe Vero-Catholics or Traditional Catholics?
 
Nothing to weigh in on WRT my questions? :(
Sorry about that, I was short on time and didn't get to your questions before I had to be off. :) Also some of your questions have been explained in earlier updates.

Very interesting update, I may end up subscribing before too long at this rate. A couple of questions though;

1) I noticed California is independent, and would assume it is mostly Hispanic in culture and language. Has there been any American or East Asian influence on the national character, or has that been suppressed?

2) Regarding Virginia, what's with the NoVA split (how/why did it happen)? And please tell me the NNK/Westmoreland County+East portion is still in VA (personally I think whatever state this is is WAY more than what Northern Virginia is in terms of geography, but that's just me).

3) What's with the heavy Gaelic-speaking population in British North America? I know there have been speakers of it in Nova Scotia before, but they've pretty much been dying out. What propelled more of them to settle in the New World ITTL?

4) Finally, would you say the Civil Rights movement is moving along more successfully ITTL, or less? I read one of your updates that seemed to indicate that things weren't as bad for blacks as OTL by this point.
1) There has been some influence, mostly in the San Fran area and San Diego where the Asian population is concentrated. Most Chinese

2) The state of Winfield was carved out of Virginia at the end of TTL's Civil War following a proposal by Thaddeus Stevesn. As for the Northern Neck, looking back through my notes, it's confusing. I think I intended for at least Westmoreland County to be part of Winfield but not sure about the rest of the neck.

3) The British government encouraged the movement of the Irish out of Ireland during and after the famine as a way to speed up the Anglicization of the island. So a lot of the Irish ended up in BNA, especially in Nova Scotia. Also even OTL Gaelic was one of the largest languages spoken in BNA at the time and only started dying out around 1900.

4) Civil Rights has been more successful in TTL so far, but there is starting to be a backlash.
 
Got my own questions.

1.)Are women close to getting the vote yet?

2.)Have you ever thought much about the situation concerning drugs, marijuana in particular? I can give you some ideas if you're open to them.
 
Part One Hundred Fifteen: American Insurrectionism
Part One Hundred Fifteen: American Insurrectionism

Anarchy in the US:
While anarchism had started as a movement in the 1870s, the movement did not enter the American consciousness largely until the turn of the century. By 1900, many small groups, particularly in the Old Northwest and the Northeast, had been created to promote the anarchist ideals. Some of these organizations delved into insurrectionism, or violent anarchism, and perpetrated a number of attacks in the northern United States.

The first significant anarchist attack started as a demonstration in front of the Chicago City Hall on June 14, 1896. The demonstration was organized by Albert Parsons and other labor activists in the city to protest conditions in meat packing plants in Chicago. The demonstration was timed in order to coincide with a campaign event by Carter Harrison Jr. who was running for reelection as mayor of Chicago at the time. Harrison and his father, Carter Harrison Sr., had controlled the mayoral office for nearly twenty years with Harrison Jr. succeeding his father to the post in 1889. At the event, later known at the City Square Riot, rioters possibly associated with Parsons incited the labor activists and started a riot. The police attempted to contain the crowd, but were overrun. Amid the confusion, a bomb was thrown at the mayor which exploded and killed him[1].

While this was the first and one of the most famous anarchist attacks in the turn of the century United States, there were several others. In 1899, the governor of Ohio's party was attacked by gunman Anthony Morrison[2] in Columbus. Four shots were fired at the party before Morrison was restrained by city police. Governor Mark Hanna was injured, but lieutenant governor Warren G. Harding was hit in the chest and died the next day in hospital. Morrison claimed that he was cleansing the Ohio political system of corruption, and later is was discovered that he was a member of a local insurrectionist organization. Part of the motivation for the attack included that as Attorney General, Hanna had cracked down on anarchist and labor movements in Ohio during the late 1880s.

Two years after the assassination of Harding, another bombing took place in Philadelphia. On August 12, 1901, a carriage loaded with pyroglycerin stopped outside the Philadelphia Mint. Two men were seen leaving the carriage after it stopped in front of the Mint. Ten minutes later, the dynamite in the carriage exploded. The bombing destroyed the front portico of the Mint and a large portion of the front rooms. While the majority of the interior of the building survived, it was decided to demolish the seventy year old structure and construct a new building in its place[3]. After a two months search by police, brothers Giuseppe and Vincenzo Morello were found guilty. Further investigation uncovered a large counterfeiting ring organized by the Morello brothers[4], and they were executed in 1905.


The Bureau of Investigation and the Liberty Republic:
With the increased frequency of anarchist attacks in the United States, the federal government under McKinley and Roosevelt began to specifically crack down on these movements. In 1903, the McKinley administration authorized the creation of a special federal prison for individuals deemed particularly dangerous by the Department of Justice. The Justice Department under Attorney General Joseph McKenna selected the War of 1812 era Fort Wood on Bedloe Island in the New Jersey half of New York Bay[5]. The star fort was converted into a federal prison complex, and by 1905 held forty inmates transferred from other prisons.

When Theodore Roosevelt was elected, one of his goals was the expansion of the executive branch and the Justice Department, specifically over the monitoring of anarchist and other potential threats. In 1905, Roosevelt and Congress authorized the creation of the Bureau of Investigation under the purview of Attorney General McIlhenny. The creation of the Bureau was the subject of bitter battle in Congress, with many Republicans and Democrats opposing the strengthening of the executive branch. But after numerous hearings and efforts by Roosevelt to woo Congress, the bill passed and the Bureau of Investigation was created. In the fall of 1905, the Bureau officially began service with twenty-six employees.

One of the biggest actions of the insurrectionists in the United States occurred in late 1907. During the early days of Fort Wood as a penitentiary, many of the inmates had been organizers for radical labor, socialist, and anarchist groups. While the prisoners on the island were guarded and watched, the surveillance was not completely perfect and the prisoners managed to organize. On October 9, 1907, the prisoners led by Patrick Eugene Prendergast[6] rioted and overwhelmed the police force on the island Prendergast had been convicted in Baltimore on conspiracy to commit treason, and while he was most likely insane an insanity plea failed. On the 11th, the United States flag was lowered from the fort and a tattered rudimentary flag was raised. In a manifesto, Prendergast proclaimed the island as the "Liberty Republic". The occupation of Bedloe Island lasted for several weeks before a coordinated effort took the island and the prisoners surrendered.

[1] This incident is partly based on the OTL Haymarket Affair.
[2] Fictional person.
[3] The Second Mint Building was demolished in 1901 in OTL as well, though this was because the Mint sold the property and moved.
[4] Giuseppe Morello in OTL was the first boss of the Morello crime family. Vincenzo is his TTL brother.
[5] The island that is now the OTL site of the Statue of Liberty.
[6] OTL assassin of Carter Harrison Sr. TTL Prendergast comes to Baltimore instead of Chicago.
 
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Good update, Wilcox!:)
The anarchist activity might reduce public suport for progressivism, unless the state acts quickly and labor leaders support progressive-minded politicians.
Part One Hundred Fifteen: American Insurrectionism



Two years after the assassination of Hanna,
I think it's a typo and you meant Harding.
 
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