Union and Liberty: An American TL

Clave does sound a little strange to me as well......ah well.

It actually sounds alright to me, though it might be a better name for blues rather than jazz. But maybe clave doesn't include all forms of jazz.

How big, though?


Its almost a ghost town today ,rubble in the streets etc so imagining a thriving city there is what makes alternate history worth the while and I do remember wilcox sayin it would be a substantial concern

Well Wilcox has mentioned he wants to build a megalopolis ala LA-San Diego or the Bos-Wash corridor of OTL on the Ohio/Mississippi Confluence. I guess this spans from St. Louis to Memphis and Cairo is in the middle.

It would also make a great spot for the film industry to settle in once it moves out of New York (if it does so in TTL). There is cheaper land, and better climate year round.

So it could be the Cairo becomes TTL's fourth or fifth largest US city.

At the same time New York and Brooklyn haven't be incorporated in TTL, and a very early update mentions Staten Island being given to New Jersey in TTL. Thus New York also has a lot less space to grow into. With just Manhattan and the Bronx, New York City proper will likely not grow much beyond 3 million. While, Brooklyn if it includes Queens and is allowed to expand further into Long Island will eventually overtake New York as the largest city with ease, having around 5 million people within Brooklyn City Proper (if you include Queens).


Anyway's Wilcox, I love what you have done with African American's in TTL having Fremont and Lee supervising reconstruction as well as the Liberty Party as a direct way to attach blame of the war to "traitor slave owners" would have logically led to greater freedom for blacks in TTL. And apparently the Silver Depression, while it did force them out of the country and into the cities, did not do too much against them.

I still expect a segregated army during the Great War but barring any catastrophe ala Great Depression blacks should get the full civil rights movement going somewhere in the 1930s.

Hopefully Brazil can follow by example and free its slaves, since it is the only big nation that still has slavery.

Keep up the good work man!
 
MY LOVE TO THE AFRICAN-AMERICANS OF THIS TTL!!! :D:D

Despite prevalent racism on them, the political and cultural space given to them by TTL's USA were almost pretty much the same as OTL's Jews of the pre 1960's era. What made this possible sir? The exodus of rich white planters, thus lessening their influence on molding the minds of poorer Southerners?
Yep, the flight of many of the wealthier plantation owners was a big factor, and the efforts of the Fremont and Lee administrations to protect the rights of freedmen.

May I ask about the fate of Asian American immigrants here?? Did most of them just went to the Californian Republic??

This is a great timeline.
Most Asian who have come to the Americas went to California, though a few went to the Pacific northwest.

Its almost a ghost town today ,rubble in the streets etc so imagining a thriving city there is what makes alternate history worth the while and I do remember wilcox sayin it would be a substantial concern
Yep, I'm not sure how big it will get, but being part of a megalopolis it'll be at least a few hundred thousand.

Well Wilcox has mentioned he wants to build a megalopolis ala LA-San Diego or the Bos-Wash corridor of OTL on the Ohio/Mississippi Confluence. I guess this spans from St. Louis to Memphis and Cairo is in the middle.

It would also make a great spot for the film industry to settle in once it moves out of New York (if it does so in TTL). There is cheaper land, and better climate year round.

So it could be the Cairo becomes TTL's fourth or fifth largest US city.
I hadn't thought of having Cairo be a center of the film industry. That would be cool.

Can't wait for the next update, wilcoxchar.
Thanks! It should be up in the next couple days.
 
Part Ninety-Nine: Roosevelt's First Years
Update time again finally!

Part Ninety-Nine: Roosevelt's First Years

The Kingmaker Becomes King:
When Theodore Roosevelt was elected president in 1904, encountered a political situation that was unprecedented in American politics as a party entered the presidency without having a substantial representation in Congress. While the Progressive Party had won an overwhelming majority in the presidential election, many of the state and Congressional elections were still dominated by the other two major parties. During the 1904 Congressional elections, the Progressives did gain seven seats in the House and four seats in the Senate. Two notable victories for the Progressives were in Itasca where Frank Kellogg was elected, and in Connecticut where Simeon Baldwin gave the Progressives their first Northeastern senate seat. During their terms as senators, both these men would be influential in pushing the Progressive agenda in Congress.

One way that Roosevelt attempted to overcome the lack of Progressive representation in Congress was by appointing Democrats and Republicans to some cabinet positions. This also made up for the lack of Progressive politicians with legislative and executive experience at the time. Roosevelt nominated Republican William Howard Taft as Secretary of War following Bryan's presidency, and Lousiaian Democrat John Avery McIlhenny[1] as Attorney General. Roosevelt also nominated fellow Progressives Henry Wallace Sr. as Secretary of Agriculture, John Muir as Secretary of the Interior, and Elihu Root[2] as Secretary of State.

The first priorities of Roosevelt's administration was civil service reform and regulating against trusts, two major policies of the Progressive platform. Extending early anti-trust laws passed during the Edmunds administration, Roosevelt led the creation of a Bureau of Business Regulation under the Department of Justice. During Roosevelt's administration, Attorney General McIlhenny and William Mason[3] pursued over forty allegations of violating antitrust laws. Two of the more famous antitrust cases were against the United States Steel Corporation and the Southern and Rio Grande Railroad[4]. In both cases, the two companies were deemed as having formed illegal monopolies. US Steel Corporation was broken up into smaller regional companies, including Southern Appalachia Steel Company headquartered in Birmingham, Alabama and the Ohio Steel Company, two of the country's biggest steel corporations today. The Southern and Rio Grande Railroad was forced to sell its shares in a number of other American railroad companies including its 30% share in Union Pacific.

On the matter of civil service reform, Roosevelt's administration attempted to reduce the influence of the party machines in many states. After Roosevelt's experience with the Democratic and Republican machines in New York while police commissioner of New York City and later as governor, this became one of Roosevelt's personal goals in the presidency. It was also one part of the platform where Roosevelt and the Progressives found resistance from both Democrats and Republicans in Congress. At first, Progressives pushed for a comprehensive civil service reform plan that would affect government employees at both the federal and state levels. However, after an uproar by many members of Congress, the plan was restricted to federal employees. In 1906, the Flinn Civil Service Act was brought to Congress[5], proposing to require examinations for potential public servants, and that employees of the civil service had to refrain from partisan political activity. The act was narrowly passed through Congress after the concessions were made that it would only apply to civil servants of the cabinet departments. While it was minor, the act took a first step toward overall reform and the end of 19th century machine politics.


Expanding Statehood:
With the election of Theodore Roosevelt as president, some of the remaining territories looked once again at gaining statehood. While the McKinley administration had rejected the admission of any new states during the last four years, Roosevelt and the new Congress was more open to consideration. Shoshone and Pahsapa territories had been steadily growing over the past decades after the transcontinental railroad was completed. Meanwhile, the discovery of gold in the Rockies near the Salmon River and in western Washington Territory in the 1890s had led to a boom in population in those regions. Due to this, the House of Representatives drafted the 1905 Enabling Act to admit Shoshone, Pahsapa, and Washington as states. The states were admitted in October of 1905. The territorial seat of Boise became the capital of Shoshone, Laramie became the capital of Pahsapa[6], and the town of Bannack became the capital of Washington. In 1923, the capital of Washington was moved to nearby Boulder City[7].

Along with the admission of the three new states, the Enabling Act finally granted a territorial government to the Unorganized Territory along the Rio Bravo. After the First Mexican War, the people of the region petitioned Congress several times over the next years for the creation of a territorial government. However, objections by members of Congress over the small number of people in the Unorganized Territory outside the city of El Paso blocked the official formation of a territory for years[8]. Finally in 1905, the Enabling Act granted the region a government under the El Paso Territory. The territorial government was centered in the city of El Paso where over half of the population of the territory's 24,000 people lived at the time.

[1] McIlhenny was a fellow Rough Rider and friend of TR's in OTL.
[2] Root switched parties between 1900 and 1904.
[3] Mason was an Illinois senator who argued for the Sherman Antitrust Act in OTL.
[4] Formed from the merger of the Red River Southern and the South Carolina Railroad.
[5] Proposed by Pennsylvania senator William Flinn, and somewhat based on the OTL Pendleton Civil Service Reform Act of 1878.
[6] Laramie is OTL Capser, Wyoming.
[7] Virginia City, Montana.
[8] Slight retcon here I think. I can't remember if I definitely said whether El Paso was in the unorganized territory or not, but as of now it is/was. It also now includes Ciudad Juarez in the city limits, since El Paso Del Norte was originally founded by the Spanish on the south bank of the Rio Grande.
 
It is an interesting situation TR finds himself in. But then again, this update furthers my concern that TR hasn't made that big an impact in TTL in the public's mind as he did in OTL prior and during his first years as President.

There were no Rough Riders (or equivalent) in TTL, which granted Roosevelt significant popularity in the public's eye. And in OTL Roosevelt entered the Presidency without having to worry about sufficient Republican representation in Congress as TTL's Roosevelt has to do with Progressive representation.

TTL's Roosevelt has nonetheless done a great job of working through this, but it does mean many of his reforms will be slower than OTL's. I will also guess that there is more to be done since TTL had favored the Democratic Party in the latest decades and the Silver Depression probably skewed the wealth curve much more so than it was in OTL.

All in all TR will have to work quite a bit to gain such cult status as the Undisclosed Adventures of Theodore Roosevelt sugest. And I insist that the only reason those pulpy adventures feature TR and not President Fremont- whose career in TTL is pretty badass- is because TR had a Presidential Airship and Fremont didn't.

Nevertheless, I am very much looking forward to see where you take this TR Presidency. And I know it will be epic. (I kinda feel we will see two wars. A small one during his first term in Central America or the Mexican states, and the Great War during his second-maybe third?-term).
 
Roosevelt is beginning to correct the problems of the US economy and society.
I wonder if the new states will vote Progressive.

Keep it up, Wilcox!:)
 
I saw that this was chapter 99 and couldn't help but have this pop into my head.

"You got timeline troubles, I feel bad for you son. I've got 99 chapters and there aint a bad one."
 
Roosevelt is beginning to correct the problems of the US economy and society.
I wonder if the new states will vote Progressive.

Keep it up, Wilcox!:)

It'll take a lot of effort to keep reactionary forces from stopping him. Roosevelt will need to make friends.

Cheers,
Ganesha
 
Update will be ready sometime next week. I wanted to get a map done along with it but my desktop's video card is acting up and it's off for repair, and I've been distracted by the Euro 2012 and being lazy. :p
 
Update will be posted tomorrow. Meanwhile here's a teaser for it.

Front Socialiste: Alexandre Millerand (5.2%)
Parti Radical:
George Clemenceau (12.6%)
Parti Bonapartiste: Charles Joseph Bonaparte (37.5%)
Front National: Leon Gambetta (41.1%)

Union Regional d'Alsace:
Emile Durkheim (2.5%)
Parti du Bretagne:
No candidate* (1.1%)

*Ernest Renan died shortly before the election.


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Looks like the Front National is back at the top. Last I remember, they first gained power when France lost Madagaskar. Are French politics mostly going to be dominated by a rivalry between them and the Bonapartiste?

As a follow up question, how quasi-monarchical are the Bonapartiste? Do they essentially exist to keep a Bonaparte in power? And what is the popular appeal of that besides the nationalistic tie to the Bonapartes?

Any chance we can get a list of French Presidents since Louis-Napoleon. There probably should only be four or five total, seeing how they tend to stay for long terms.
 
I went back through the posts to check who I'd said was president and came up with a list that includes all of them.

Presidents of France
Louis-Napoleon Bonaprate (Bon): 1850-1881 (died in 1881)
Jean Gilbert Victor Fialin (Bon): 1881-1886
Charles Freycinet (Bon): 1886-1892
Andre Clermont (Bon): 1892-1898
Georges Boulanger (FN): 1898-1901
Charles Joseph Bonaparte (Bon): 1901-1904
Leon Gambetta (FN): 1904-19??

I can't remember if I said anything about term length or anything like that before, but for this list, the French presidency has six year terms with unlimited term limits. The only problem is how to justify 1901, and for that I'm thinking some emergency election being called by the National Assembly with some form of supermajority needed to pass it, possibly only allowable at the halfway point through a term.

The Bonapartists started out as the main party in France, with the Parti Radical and the Front National as two major minority parties. However beginning in the 1890s the Front National gained enough popularity to rival the Bonapartists. It's actually pretty flexible as a party like the Bonapartist movement was in OTL. It's usually economically laissez faire and in favor of expanding the voting franchise. Other than that the party is pretty centrist and populist like the PRI in OTL Mexico, but not so authoritarian.

As for the other main parties in France, the Front National is nationalist and wants to make France the dominant power in Europe and the Parti Radical's main platform is to give the National Assembly more powers.
 
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