Read the caption. That is only what the allies percieve as being the goals of their enemies.
Union and Liberty: An American TL
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Read the caption. That is only what the allies percieve as being the goals of their enemies.
I'm still trying to work out how it'll ago, so I can't really say at this point.
Belgium still is heavily industrialized since they still have the the Centre, Charleroi, and most of the Kempen coal fields. And since Indochina and Borneo are Belgium's only large colonies, they can concentrate on those areas. Belgium also had help from Spain and Britain in the conquest, and Belgium still only really controls the coasts and a little bit inland. A lot of the more inland areas in OTL Laos and Cambodia are still only nominally Belgian.
As for time zones, I'm still not even sure where the prime meridian is going to be.
But yes, the US will likely have four time zones, though there might be some anomalies like in Russia in OTL, maybe with New England having its own time zone or something like that. Not really sure yet, but I'll include it in an update soon.
I wouldn't mind seeing either Rome or Jerusalem being the Prime Meridian, anything other than London if you want to be different.
I don't think it'd work, though. Truth is, London really is about the only suitable place you could put it.
As for time zones, I'm still not even sure where the prime meridian is going to be.
It was set in OTL in 1884 (though France out of spite did not adopt it until 9011), my guess is that it has already been set in TTL, though some nations are still adopting it.
If it is not Greenwich, Paris makes some sense. Though I would say the most logical location would be Reykjavik (though history doesn't have to be logical).
As far as anomalies, maybe TTL's US is missing mountain time. Thus you have (assuming Greenwich remains the Prime Meridian): -4 New-England Standard, -5 Atlantic/Appalachian (OTL's EST), -6 Central Time, -8 Western (OTL's PST).
Or you could have Western at -7 (OTL Mountain) and have the sun not come up in Oregon until 8/9 am; it is unpractical, but just think how China in OTL has only one time-zone (so does Alaska), or how it goes dark at 4pm in the Yucatan Penninsula because Mexico refuses to have a fourth time-zone.
Here is a map of OTL's zones to make the anomalies tangible:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/41/TimeZones.GIF
Given the amount of cloud cover and precipitation in the region, most of the west-coast residents would be happy to see the sun at all.
What's going to be more interesting is how (and whether) California lines up with these new time zones.
That, along with Switzerland and Afghanistan, is one of those places that can never be conquered from outside.
Doesn't look like I'll get the next update done tonight, so here's a little teaser: the upcoming Senate map. Blue is Democrat, Red is Republican, Green is Progressive, and mixes are two senators from different parties.
. Which is why four time zones is the only logical thing to do here. Nothing else would be at all practical In America's case, even in a country sans Calif.
LOL, yeah. That's true.Given the amount of cloud cover and precipitation in the region, most of the west-coast residents would be happy to see the sun at all.
What's going to be more interesting is how (and whether) California lines up with these new time zones.
From the look of things, it seems like McKinley will be reelected, which means no Republican president has been reelected since Lee.
There are also 45 states already, and 6 territories (excluding the Congo Terr); four will likely become states soon.
Trans-pecos probably won't for a long time due to low population, unless some mines have been discovered and the Big Bend is transformed into agricultural land.
I still have no idea how Dakotah will ever have a large enough population (even in present day OTL that region has only about 20,000 inhabitants), I guess no Indian wars have helped but only if they are given citizenship soon.
All in all this makes it 51 states within the current US borders. Any ideas for flag design? So far all 51 star flags I've seen look really odd. It is a hard number to work with. (you can always split New York to get 52, TTL has had less of an issue splitting states than OTL).
There are also 45 states already, and 6 territories (excluding the Congo Terr); four will likely become states soon.
Trans-pecos probably won't for a long time due to low population, unless some mines have been discovered and the Big Bend is transformed into agricultural land.
I still have no idea how Dakotah will ever have a large enough population (even in present day OTL that region has only about 20,000 inhabitants), I guess no Indian wars have helped but only if they are given citizenship soon.
All in all this makes it 51 states within the current US borders. Any ideas for flag design? So far all 51 star flags I've seen look really odd. It is a hard number to work with. (you can always split New York to get 52, TTL has had less of an issue splitting states than OTL).
Let me guess.
Gold = Republican-Progressive
Teal = Democrat-Progressive
Purple = Democrat-Republican
Part Ninety-Three: A New Left
Done with the update! Footnotes will be added tomorrow.
Part Ninety-Three: A New Left
A New Message of Progress:
For the Populist Party, the 1900 presidential election was a great victory but also a wake up call. The Populists carried an unprecedented nine states in the election, but aside from Georgia they were all in the less populated western states. The 1900 convention had highlighted the divides within the rising party between an emphasis on economic and social legislation, but the 1900 election had made the choice clear. Economic issues were going out of the forefront of national politics, taking a back seat to social issues and foreign policy. Between the 1900 election and the 1902 midterms, the Populists undertook a large shift in their platform.
The new platform of the party was a shift toward more modern progressivism, and was reflected in the 1901 decision to change the party's name from the Populists to the Progressive Party. On social issues, the Progressive Party campaigned for the expansion of women's suffrage, ending child labor in factories, and laws to improve worker conditions. Progressives also advocated for the reform of several institutions, including civil service reform on municipal and state governments and business regulations on the larger national corporations that had arisen by the beginning of the 20th century. While these were similar to the arguments of the Republicans, there was one area where Progressives differed immensely from Republicans: foreign policy. With the rise of Northeastern politicians like Theodore Roosevelt in the party, Progressives started to campaign for more American involvement abroad, especially in the rest of the Americas.
These changes in the Progressive Party over the first decade of the 20th century resulted in large gains for the party in the larger states in the Northeast and Old Northwest. Politicians such as New York governor and later president Theodore Roosevelt rose to prominence among the party at this time as the party gained electoral victories in the more populous states. In New York, Theodore Roosevelt won reelection to governor of New York in 1902 on a Progressive-Republican fusion ticket after winning as an outright Progressive in 1900. In 1902, Alton J. Beveridge was elected as the first Progressive governor from Indiana after Beveridge gained support of Edward Gillette, an Indiana Congressman and one of the original founders of the Populist Party. The Progressives picked up further gains in Marquette in 1902 where Robert LaFollette was elected governor.
Progress in Congress:
During the 1900 and 1902 elections, the Progressives continued to gain seats in the House and Senate. The House saw an increase to a record number of 36 Progressive candidates, or over a tenth of the House. However, the most gains the Progressives made in the 1902 midterm election were in the Senate. The introduction of the Sixteenth Amendment and direct election of senators led to a further increase in the number of Progressive senators to nine. Marion Butler, who lost reelection in 1900, returned to the Senate from North Carolina on a fusion ticket after he gained the Progressive and Republican nomination. The Progressives also continued their domination of the Oregon Country, where Frank Steunenberg was elected to succeed Sylvester Pennoyer after the latter's death.
During the McKinley administration, the Progressives were often placed in the role of kingmaker. While the Democrats were in control of the House of Representatives, they were two members shy of a majority in the Senate, and so the Progressives played an increasingly important role in passing legislation. During the 57th and 58th sessions of Congress, the Progressives were influential in passing two notable pieces of legislation. The first was the Railworkers' Compensation Act. The bill was proposed by a number of Congressmen from the Northeast and Midwest and promised to protect railworkers and improve the safety of the country's booming railways[1]. The bill faced strong opposition from Democrats in the House about its effect on railroad businesses. However, the influence of Joseph Gurney Cannon, former Republican speaker and the first formal Republican minority leader, the bill was passed through the House. In the Senate, the Progressive members aligned with the Republican members to vote the bill through, overcoming the Democratic plurality. The bill was signed by President McKinley in 1901.
The second act that the Progressives played a large role in passing was the San Juan Canal Authorization Act. The bill was passed in 1902 and, after the Alger-Quirós Treaty[2] established the terms of the canal's operations, the construction of the San Juan Canal began in 1903. The passage of the San Juan Canal Act presented one of the few issues that the Progressives and the Democrats agreed on in the beginning of the 20th century. While the Progressives sided with the Republicans when it came to most policies, encouraging American action abroad and an interventionist foreign policy were some of the few issues where the Democrats and Progressives could agree.
A Social Affair:
While there had been several minor parties oriented toward socialism founded in the decades after the National War, most of these efforts were either short-lived or focused on local politics and not geared toward a national platform. While these parties died out, the founders and most ardent advocates for these parties began to look toward the creation of a new socialist party that could coordinate its activities all around the United States. In 1895, groups of trade union leaders from across the Northeast and Old Northwest met in Chicago and formed the American Socialist Party. The initial platform called for laws to provide all workers with standard wages, work hours, and other benefits and for the government to protect workers through unemployment benefits and the establishment of workers compensation laws. However, the party soon became more radical and began to call for the government to take control of corporations and to nationalize important industries including railroads and steel mills.
Out of the radicalization, many of the founders of the American Socialist Party left to join the Progressive Party. However, it also began to gain popularity among urban areas, in particular in areas around Chicago and New York. Two of the founders of the American Socialist Party, Victor Berger and John Mahlon Jones, soon became the first widely successful candidates in the party. Berger was elected as the first socialist mayor of Milwaukee, Marquette in 1898. Jones was elected as the first member of the House of Representatives from the American Socialist Party in 1904. The American Socialist Party also was the first socialist party to enter into the national elections in 1904. The party nominated Jones as its presidential candidate and activist Josephine Shaw Lowell for vice president, becoming the first party to nominate a woman for the executive office.
[1] The Railworkers' Compesnation Act is similar to the OTL original Federal Employers Liability Act.
[2] Signed by Ambassadors Russell Alger and Costa Rican president Juan Bautista Quirós Segura.
Part Ninety-Three: A New Left
A New Message of Progress:
For the Populist Party, the 1900 presidential election was a great victory but also a wake up call. The Populists carried an unprecedented nine states in the election, but aside from Georgia they were all in the less populated western states. The 1900 convention had highlighted the divides within the rising party between an emphasis on economic and social legislation, but the 1900 election had made the choice clear. Economic issues were going out of the forefront of national politics, taking a back seat to social issues and foreign policy. Between the 1900 election and the 1902 midterms, the Populists undertook a large shift in their platform.
The new platform of the party was a shift toward more modern progressivism, and was reflected in the 1901 decision to change the party's name from the Populists to the Progressive Party. On social issues, the Progressive Party campaigned for the expansion of women's suffrage, ending child labor in factories, and laws to improve worker conditions. Progressives also advocated for the reform of several institutions, including civil service reform on municipal and state governments and business regulations on the larger national corporations that had arisen by the beginning of the 20th century. While these were similar to the arguments of the Republicans, there was one area where Progressives differed immensely from Republicans: foreign policy. With the rise of Northeastern politicians like Theodore Roosevelt in the party, Progressives started to campaign for more American involvement abroad, especially in the rest of the Americas.
These changes in the Progressive Party over the first decade of the 20th century resulted in large gains for the party in the larger states in the Northeast and Old Northwest. Politicians such as New York governor and later president Theodore Roosevelt rose to prominence among the party at this time as the party gained electoral victories in the more populous states. In New York, Theodore Roosevelt won reelection to governor of New York in 1902 on a Progressive-Republican fusion ticket after winning as an outright Progressive in 1900. In 1902, Alton J. Beveridge was elected as the first Progressive governor from Indiana after Beveridge gained support of Edward Gillette, an Indiana Congressman and one of the original founders of the Populist Party. The Progressives picked up further gains in Marquette in 1902 where Robert LaFollette was elected governor.
Progress in Congress:
During the 1900 and 1902 elections, the Progressives continued to gain seats in the House and Senate. The House saw an increase to a record number of 36 Progressive candidates, or over a tenth of the House. However, the most gains the Progressives made in the 1902 midterm election were in the Senate. The introduction of the Sixteenth Amendment and direct election of senators led to a further increase in the number of Progressive senators to nine. Marion Butler, who lost reelection in 1900, returned to the Senate from North Carolina on a fusion ticket after he gained the Progressive and Republican nomination. The Progressives also continued their domination of the Oregon Country, where Frank Steunenberg was elected to succeed Sylvester Pennoyer after the latter's death.
During the McKinley administration, the Progressives were often placed in the role of kingmaker. While the Democrats were in control of the House of Representatives, they were two members shy of a majority in the Senate, and so the Progressives played an increasingly important role in passing legislation. During the 57th and 58th sessions of Congress, the Progressives were influential in passing two notable pieces of legislation. The first was the Railworkers' Compensation Act. The bill was proposed by a number of Congressmen from the Northeast and Midwest and promised to protect railworkers and improve the safety of the country's booming railways[1]. The bill faced strong opposition from Democrats in the House about its effect on railroad businesses. However, the influence of Joseph Gurney Cannon, former Republican speaker and the first formal Republican minority leader, the bill was passed through the House. In the Senate, the Progressive members aligned with the Republican members to vote the bill through, overcoming the Democratic plurality. The bill was signed by President McKinley in 1901.
The second act that the Progressives played a large role in passing was the San Juan Canal Authorization Act. The bill was passed in 1902 and, after the Alger-Quirós Treaty[2] established the terms of the canal's operations, the construction of the San Juan Canal began in 1903. The passage of the San Juan Canal Act presented one of the few issues that the Progressives and the Democrats agreed on in the beginning of the 20th century. While the Progressives sided with the Republicans when it came to most policies, encouraging American action abroad and an interventionist foreign policy were some of the few issues where the Democrats and Progressives could agree.
A Social Affair:
While there had been several minor parties oriented toward socialism founded in the decades after the National War, most of these efforts were either short-lived or focused on local politics and not geared toward a national platform. While these parties died out, the founders and most ardent advocates for these parties began to look toward the creation of a new socialist party that could coordinate its activities all around the United States. In 1895, groups of trade union leaders from across the Northeast and Old Northwest met in Chicago and formed the American Socialist Party. The initial platform called for laws to provide all workers with standard wages, work hours, and other benefits and for the government to protect workers through unemployment benefits and the establishment of workers compensation laws. However, the party soon became more radical and began to call for the government to take control of corporations and to nationalize important industries including railroads and steel mills.
Out of the radicalization, many of the founders of the American Socialist Party left to join the Progressive Party. However, it also began to gain popularity among urban areas, in particular in areas around Chicago and New York. Two of the founders of the American Socialist Party, Victor Berger and John Mahlon Jones, soon became the first widely successful candidates in the party. Berger was elected as the first socialist mayor of Milwaukee, Marquette in 1898. Jones was elected as the first member of the House of Representatives from the American Socialist Party in 1904. The American Socialist Party also was the first socialist party to enter into the national elections in 1904. The party nominated Jones as its presidential candidate and activist Josephine Shaw Lowell for vice president, becoming the first party to nominate a woman for the executive office.
[1] The Railworkers' Compesnation Act is similar to the OTL original Federal Employers Liability Act.
[2] Signed by Ambassadors Russell Alger and Costa Rican president Juan Bautista Quirós Segura.
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I guess this means women's suffrage will have to happen before 1904, or will this be a Supreme Court OK? It will certainly raise a fuss within the TL
But it is cool. And an organized Socialist Party? Are we looking into the possibility of a fully multi-party USA? Not just a tri-party system? Or maybe three strong parties and lots of little ones. Regardless, it's cool that the Progressives are doing well; Can we expect TR for 1908?
Wisconsin doesn't exist!
You fail to realize that Berger comes from OTL, and traveled across TLs. He was able to run for congress due to a legislation in TTL, which allows citizens of other TLs to hold office.
There were a couple women running for office in OTL before women's suffrage was passed. In TTL the Equal Rights Party doesn't really gain much traction to Belva Ann Lockwood isn't nominated then, but the socialists are willing to nominate Lowell ITTL, partially to gain notoriety as the first to nominate a woman.