Clash of the titans
Timurid invasion of China

in Saffar 806 (August 1403), an allied Mongol vanguard of Timurid army reached Ulutur[1] near great wall. This vanguard of 25,000 was under command of Yuan Khan Bunyashsiri. The Ming forces assembled against them was 40,000 strong, led by Hai Tung. The two forces engaged with completely different strategy. The Ming gunners fired their cannons and muskets which repulsed the initial cavalry charge of the Mongols and killed many unfortunate riders. Bunyashiri was skeptical about the capability of his troops so he opted for a strategic retreat. But some of his commanders vehemently opposed this and chose a two pronged assault upon the Ming army. It was decided that the cavalry would be lured away from the infantry and gunners through feint retreat by one half while the other half would attack the now unprotected gunners. But it was a disaster as numerically superior Ming cavalry attempted to encircle the detachment that was sent to lure them out, forcing Bunyashiri to act quickly to save his embattled troops. But this in turn exposed his flank to Ming gunners who fired their weapons.
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Image: battle of Ulutur (circa 1400 AH)

About 12,000 troops of the Mongols were killed and an injured Bunyashiri barely escaped with 5,000. The rest were scattered or captured. Though this battle was a decisive victory for the Ming, the overconfident Hai Tung issued order to press forward despite the protest of his commanders.

In 3 Rabiul Awwal 806 (20 September 1403), the advancing Chinese forces arrived in near a dried up lake. Unknown to them, the Timurids already overran the small border garrison in the modern town of Yugbin[2] and concentrated their artilleries on a higher ground just south of them. Timur strictly ordered measures like no cooking for this hidden detachment and thus a steady supply of food had to be maintained with buying off from the nearby Tibetan held territory which was still inhabited by Yuan partisans. Just as the Ming soldiers were beginning to settle down. Timur ordered his troops to line up for battle. He arranged his troops in a crescent formation, with Muhammad Sultan leading the right flank opposed to Ming left flank consisting of infantry and Pir Muhammad Bin Umar Sheikh in charge of left flank opposed to Ming right flank which consisted of most of the latter's cavalry. Timur himself was in charge of 3,000 elite cavalry and 800 hand gunners, many of them prisoners from the Ming garrisons which he occupied on the way. The big artillery on the plateau was under command of Umar Sheikh Mirza. The Ming army was surprised, nevertheless they arrayed against the Timurids quickly. This time it was their 35,000 against 50,000 of Timur.
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Image: Ming cavalry (Ming art circa 900 AH)

The battle began in the late morning as Timurid left clashed with the Ming right. The 'horse beheading dao' of the Ming infantry dealing heavy blow to the unprotected mounts of the Turkic cavalry that was under Muhammad Sultan. Timur ordered the left flank to charge. The Ming cavalry, overwhelmed with confidence fromm their victory over Yuan forces charged forward. But they were cut off by forces of Muhammad sultan who just repulsed a Ming counterattack. The Ming cavalry was almost destroyed save for 7,000 Khalka Mongols who were able to escape encirclement narrowly. Now Timur set his own standard on fire and raised it very high, for Umar Sheikh to see from the latter's hiding spot on the southern plateau. The Timurid cannons now blasted the retreating Ming forces as the entire Timurid army of 50,000 surrounded the infantry and gunners. Worse, the retreating Khalka Mongols dislodged Ming artillery and damaged many equipments in haste. The Turko-mongol forces set upon the Chinese like hungry wolves, encircling them as the whole Timurid army advanced maintaining their crescent formation. Seeing defeat and capture was inevitable, Hai Tung committed suicide with his own dagger. 20,000 Ming soldiers were killed as opposed to only 4,000 of the Timurids. Most Chinese casualty was during the retreat to the east when Timurid cannons fired. The prisoners were offered two things, convert to Islam or death. Timur didn't want to take any prisoners. He soon set out after a couple of days and marched east again, this time with full force of 90,000 and a small vanguard under Arughtai.
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Image: Timur leading his troops in China

Meanwhile the Ming main army under Yongle was still 2 weeks path away from the great wall. Timur settled near modern day Jandu[3] where the Khalka mongols from the previous battle surrendered and offered service to him. The cunning Timur ordered them to proceed further and confuse the Chinese. Timur also ordered the surviving Yuan detachment to raid Biguan[4]. In Rabiul Sani 806, the 2,00,000 strong Ming army finally reached Biguan and repelled some Mongol raids. The Khalka who were moving north also confused the Chinese by saying that Timurids were closer than previously thought. But this had an opposite effect on Emperor Yongle who wasted no time and prepared a vanguard force of 50,000 cavalry to chase and keep the Timurids in check while the rest of the troops, though tired from the long journey prepared to meet the biggest threat to China since Genghis Khan.

(From 'Eternal Kingdom: Rider from the sky' by Riyad Muqaddim Al Hussein)

[1] OTL Minghaisi
[2] OTL Jiayuguan
[3] OTL Shandan
[4] OTL Jinchuan

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Love implies anger, the man who is angered by nothing
cares for nothing-
Emir Timur Gurigan

The Khan's bane
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Fazr Salah has become a hasty affair for Atrak since his marriage. Getting up at the sound of azan, slipping carefully from Gerel hatun's embrace, quickly bathing and changing into new clothes and speed walking to masjid and speed walking back to his yurt after finishing salat. Speed walking because he doesn't want to make his wife angry. He can do his dhikr in home, after all as prophet (pbuh) said Perform some of your prayers in your houses other than prescribed ones and do not make them graves.[1]

"Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihe rajiu'n. My folks, Khan Bunyashiri has passed away in just in the wee hours of dawn in this glorious month of prophet's birth. may Allah forgive him from his sins and accept him as a dweller of Jannah." Nizam Moulevi, a student of Syed Baraka who didn't accompany Timur's army and at the moment ,their imam uttered as the Fazr salah was finished.

After the janaza and burial of the dead Khan was completed, the elders and the powerful sat in the masjid to discuss the issue.

"Delbeg is still a child. it will be pointless to enthrone him now. If he is enthroned, it has to be after Emir Timur has returned from war." said Pir Muhammad Bin Jahangir, one of Timur's grandson who stayed.

"I don't see why. I think the previous council is enough to determine Bunyashiri's Child becoming Khan." spoke Mahamu, an Oirat noble.

"The previous council didn't include my glorious Emir Timur and his powerful army, which is a blessing of Allah to you and the sole reason the Chinese are not yet upon you." sneered Pir Muhammad.

"You seem to know what the Emir will decide don't you, young one?"

"HOW DARE YOU! Speak to me like that again and I shall make Sayyed Atrak Khan of all Mongols. He is a Jochid, after all a descendant of Genghis."
shouted Pir Muhammad to Mahamu. But the elders stepped in before things could get ugly. The issue for now was dropped and it was decided that a messenger would be sent to Timur for settlement. Once again, the sayings of Allah and the prophet about the ultimate fate of all living things truimphed over the talk about worldly power.

Atrak walked back to his yurt and was surprised to see Narangerel putting saddle on her horse.

"Where are you going?"

"Where have YOU been? I was about to go out and search for you"
the Mongol girl's voice boomed.

"Bunyashiri Khan is dead, you know."

"Yes, where does that involve you? The salah of janaza is over for some time now
." she scrunched her eyebrows as she enquired of her husband like he was an absconding criminal.

Atrak sighed, this girl didn't care for anything. Well, anything except himself which flattered and creeped him out at the same time.

(From 'Samarqand diaries', English adoption of Sijillat Atrak by Edward Hoffman)
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[1] Sahih Bukhari

Enjoy the update folks, sorry for being late in schedule due to Covid vaccination and stuff. Finally the showdown you've all been waiting for, Yongle vs Timur! But the main show is still left. And oh, Mahamu the schemer is angry at his power as kingmaker slipping away into Timurid hands. How he will react will change the history of a large area of the world, for better or worse (no spoliers, yeah I'm cruel:evilsmile:)
 
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So something important will happen.And I also remember at start of tl have metion it maybe a bit sunni wank,it may be two different way:1.Sunni expansion due to Golden Horde still a superpower.2.Other Sunni States also have incredible luck.Or even have both?
 
So something important will happen.And I also remember at start of tl have metion it maybe a bit sunni wank,it may be two different way:1.Sunni expansion due to Golden Horde still a superpower.2.Other Sunni States also have incredible luck.Or even have both?
Practically both because the new sunni states will happen due to 2 important events inside the Golden horde, one that is soon to come and another in the 16th century. But twelver shias will have a state, though it will not be as powerful or large as Safavids. As for luck, one state is gonna have more luck and it will not be golden horde (guess who?)

Speaking of Shias, I have INTERESTING plans for zaiydiahs. Despite being a hanafi with salafi leaning, I think Zaiydiahs can be included in the Ahlus Sunnah easily (not without ifs and buts).
 
Map of conflict in 806 AH:

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Yellow : Golden horde

Blue : Timurid empire

parrot green : Ming China

Dark violet : Phagmadrupa

Pink : Oirat confederation

Bluish Gray : Norhtern Yuan (Timurid ally)

@EmperorBuaya please check if I made any mistake with the borders of Ming, Tibet and Oirats who are still OTL ( lousy microsoft paint)
 
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Fighting against the Yongle Emperor........He was one of China's strongest and finest rulers. I would not think that he will go down without a ferocious fight. He is remembered as China's strongest warrior Emperors for a reason today.
 
Fighting against the Yongle Emperor........He was one of China's strongest and finest rulers. I would not think that he will go down without a ferocious fight. He is remembered as China's strongest warrior Emperors for a reason today.
Yongle emperor will give Timur hell of a fight. I will maintain Timur's reputation as undefeated conqueror but he will have to pay a lot of price for that. However Territorial changes will be minor compared to the huge battle fought between two powers. Yongle is not only a superb military figure but also a respected diplomat who will spin Timur's head😉. But we also have to remember he devastated outnumbered mongol armies on the defensive while Timur is definitely not outnumbered (half of Ming army is actually logistic personnel and such). And Timur is also a brilliant tactician , this will be a close one indeed.

O the plus side, Timurids as well as Central Asia and Persia will be introduced to wholesale use of gunpowder weapons in battlefield. The era of gunpowder empires shall began at least half a century earlier 😊. Golden horde will be the greatest benefactor as they sit between western and eastern centers of Gunpowder revolution.
 
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Map of conflict in 806 AH:

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Yellow : Golden horde

Blue : Timurid empire

parrot green : Ming China

Dark violet : Phagmadrupa

Pink : Oirat confederation

Bluish Gray : Norhtern Yuan (Timurid ally)

@EmperorBuaya please check if I made any mistake with the borders of Ming, Tibet and Oirats who are still OTL ( lousy microsoft paint)
Actually, these borders of Ming, Tibet and Oirats are good and well-represented. In all honesty, it's fine.

Remember, the Ming in its' early days is at its' strongest, thanks to the leadership under the Yongle Emperor.
 
Battle of the century
Moscovite- Novgorod war, Rus civil war and Tatar intervention

As the Russian principalities were divided between Vasily and Yury, the prospects of further unification seemed bleak. But that's not to say no one tried. Vasily of Vladimir sought to outweigh his rival Yury of Moscow by signing a marriage alliance with Duke of Novgorod, Vytautas. Vasily married Sophia in 794 (1392 ), only daughter of Vytautas. Yury was not without his allies as he and prince of Tver, Mikhail II teamed up to stop 'Novgorod's expansion' in Rus proper. First they called Makmut Khan of Golden horde to deal with the warm relations between Novgorod-Lithuania and Vladimir. Not getting enough responses, he contacted Wladislaw ,archrival of Vytautas and King of Poland. This contact however, was found out by spies of Vytautas who sent a letter to Khan Makmut about his 'unruly' vassal. An enraged Khan called Yury to Sarai. Fearing for his life, Yury pleaded his brother and Orda Beg Samiu'n for the Khan's mercy. Now in the Capital of Golden horde, Yury discussed about the succession law of Rus with the Khan. But Makmut was unwilling to change the law so that Yury could take Moscow after Vasily's death. He wanted the Rus to remain fragmented. Though after some coaxing from Yury and the mention of 'Novgorod-Vladimir' menace by the Khan's favourite Samiu'n, he agreed to see over the ascension of Yury to throne of Vladimir should Vasily die. Makmut was also worried about the large wealth of Novgorod being handed over to Vasily who deemed as a wild card than the more complacent and calm Yury.

Meanwhile in Rajab 805(February 1403), The Novgorod forces marched south by the Dnieper river to assault Muscovy. Vytautas, after his defeat by Wladislaw Jogalia and Knights now turned to expanding east and south. This risked direct confrontation with Tatars but Vytautas was unwilling to listen. As a result many Lithuanian nobleman refused to accompany him in this campaign, though the ones from Novgorod were more willing. The Novgorod forces were joined by forces from Vladimir in disguise because a blatant insubordination would open them to the wrath of Tatars. However, it was not Makmut they were afraid of but Timur who was now halfway across the world. In Shaban 805 (March 1403) they besieged Mozhaisk, the nearest town to Moscow. After a grueling siege of 2 months, the city surrendered in mid-Shawwal 805( May 1403). Yury, who was now in Ryazan on his return from Sarai, pleaded to Mikhail of Tver to oppose the invading army. But in the battle of Kaluga in 12 Dhul Qadh 805 (3 June 1403), the united forces of Muscovy and Tver were soundly defeated. Vytautas and his retinue now besieged Moscow. Yury appealed to the Khan to sent forces or his capital might capitulate.
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Image: Battle of Kaluga (circa 1000 AH)

Makmut hastily sent a force of 12,000 crimean Tatars to stop the Novgorodian advance. But they were defeated in two clashes near Zelenograd and Odintsovo. The situation seemed critical and a large force of 80,000 troops which included the newly formed infantry Shenker orda, were sent under Beklar beg Toghun Temur. The Tatar army gathered near the fortified town of Kolomna. The infantry under Orda beg Samiu'n entered the castle and began stationing artillery on it. The bulk of the Tatar army which was cavalry stayed outside. The Tatar army marched north and met the Novgorodian troops near Podolsk. On 8 Dhul Hajj 806( 29 June 1403), the battle ensued between the the rivaling forces of Toghun Temur and Vytautas. The united army of Lithuanianas and Novgorodians crossed the Severka river and engaged the Tatar cavalry. The Tatars were first composed of only 2 wings but after seeing the enemy form up in wings and a center, they also formed up although a bit haphazardly. Vytautas initiated the attack by ordering a frontal assault by Lithuanian cavalry on both wings. The Tatar light horsemen on the left wing buckled under pressure form the heavy cavalry. To mitigate it, cavalry from the center attempted to outflank the Lithuanian cavalry. But this was a dire mistake as now the center of Vytuatas's army composed of Novgorodian infantry and Light Rus cavalry thrust themselves through this gap. The Tatar right wing was surrounded and destroyed but majority of the troops on the left and center maintained some cohesion and escaped the battlefield.
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Image: battle of Severka (circa 1300 AH)

Now army of Vytautas marched south and laid siege to Kolomna. But they were completely taken by surprised as light artilleries blasted the besieging forces from north and west. An attack on the heavily fortified east was repelled at least a dozen times. When the siege was on its 3rd day, a full blown Novgorodian assault on the castle was stopped by Shenker Orda under Samiu'n the Rus which resulted in heavy casualties on Vytautas camp. The artilleries once again roared over the disarrayed soldiers of Novgorod and allies. But Samiu'n knew his gunpowder and arsenals were limited. But kismet was good for the young beg as the Tatar cavalry under Toghun Temur regrouped and attacked the rear of the besieging forces. This was the death blow for the Novgorodian forces already reeling from artillery and infantry assault. Vytautas escaped with a small force and abandoned the rest of his forces. 5,000 Lithuanians and 9,000 Novgorodians and allied forces were killed in the siege and the subsequent Tatar attack alone. The 70,000 strong Tatar army now hoped to march north and destroy Novgorod once and for all. But on 27 Dhul Hajj 805 (16 July 1403), news reached Beglar bek Toghun that the Khan Makmut breathed his last. There were two of his sons, Toghril and Yassin Buga which called for a succession crisis. The Tatar army retreated from Muscovy and galloped towards Sarai. Now Vladimir and Muscovy engaged in civil war without the Tatar overseeing. This lasted for 2years as troops from Muscovy and Tver besieged Vladimir 3 times. Finally on 21 Jumada Sani 807(25 December 1404), the embattled city of Vladimir surrendered as Vasily I capitualated as the ruler of the principality and handed over Vladimir and Suzdal to Yury. But conflict would remain as he soon proclaimed 'Principality of Yaroslav' with support from Vytautas. Muscovy grew in size after this war as they incorporated Uglich, Rostov and the great citadel of Vladimir and neighboring Suzdal. But the leisure which the Rus enjoyed was over as the new Khan Yassin Buga sent a large force west under his childhood friend Samiu'n, after spending some time consolidating his power. The long overdue Tatar intervention finally calmed things down. But The new Khan Yassin was more west oriented. Things on the European front would be heating up again for the Golden horde.
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Image : Khan Yassin Buga (artwork circa 1400 AH)

(piece of "From the vikings to Tsars: Early Russian history" by Vasiley Simkus)

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Timurid invasion of China

The Ming vanguard of 50,000 were faced with Umar Sheikh's 30,000 Turkic forces and Yuan allies. The sudden arrival of such a large force in Nurigai unsettled the Timurids who hastily formed up in 4 formations. Both the right and left wing of Timurid forces buckled under the pressure from Ming cavalry. Umar Sheikh was forced to assist his left as it was about to collapse. After stabilizing the left, he once again rushed to the right to save his troops. Unfortunately he was killed by a Ming bullet when his reinforcements came under fire from Ming gunners who used both the primitive 'fire lances' and the more sophisticated 'Chong' handguns. His death caused a rout in the Timurid army who retreated to Timur's camp in Jandu. The aged ruler was able to pacify the retreating troops and formed them up again, telling them new reinforcements were on the way from Mawarennahr.
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Image: A Ming light Cavalry soldier using 'Fire lance' in battle.

Jumada Awwal 15, 806 (November 30, 1403), the Ming vanguard was faced by another Timurid army 5 miles from Jandu which was led by Iskendar Bin Umar Sheikh. This army of 20,000 formed up with only 3 parts and no reserves. After an initial collision, the Timurids retreated. The Ming followed them albeit slowly as the cavalry waited for the Infantry and gunners to catch up. But this became their undoing as they were outflanked by Timurid horse archers. This attack was beaten back but the danger presented itself to the commander. But before they could retreat any further, thunderous sounds of hooves came from south of their position. Then out of the mist, like a reaper of Death, the Iron Lord himself charged. The Ming army was still in good shape and they sought to retreat north towards great wall. But as they neared it, they were blasted away by artillery fire. The mist which was getting thicker prevented visual and thus the Ming gunners were rendered immobile. A massacre followed in which 20,000 Chinese troops were killed. The rest surrendered and few were able to retreat safely. By midday the mist was over and it started snowing. Timur knew he couldn't afford to stay there for long so he retreated further north-west, to Zhan Qi[1]. Here, the winter was still cold but snow was absent. Timur planned to spend his winter in Zhan Qi but the advance of a large Ming force couldn't give him mental peace. Timur choosing Zhan Qi was not for isolated reasons. The settlement was criss-crossed by many rivers, both seasonal and all year round. Of course, he will need plenty of water to support the largest land mammal in Asia, the elephant. These elephants were captured and incorporated into Timurid army during his India campaign. And now he is going to use them against the Chinese.
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Image: Elephants in Timurid army during battle against Ming empire( circa 1400 AH)

In Rajab 806 (January 1404), Emperor Yongle was setting camp near Nurigai due its proximity to the nearest water source and great wall fortification. In 20 Rajab 806 (2 February 1404), the Timurid army started towards the position of the Ming. But the Ming were quick to catch on the enemy movement and rushed north. Both forces met each other near UngleJian[2]. More specifically the Timurids were waiting near this place until the Ming caught up to them.

The battle began on 30 Rajab 806 (12 February 1404). Timurids had 1,00,000 troops including 20,000 allied Mongols. Timur also had 100 long range artilleries and a small group of 200 hand gunners along with 30 war elephants that were still not in the field. Ming had 1,20,000 troops with 300 large cannons and 800 chong hand gunners and numerous 'fire lancers'. Timur divided his army into 6 parts, 2 wings on left and right, a large center which included the artillery and a reserve which included half of the gunners. Yongle divided his troops into 9 parts, 4 wings on the left and 2 on the right, 2 rows of artillery and infantry on the center and a reserve. The battle began with artillery barrage which caused little harm to both sides. But it was clear that Timurid cannons had shorter range than their Chinese counterparts. The cavalry forces now clashed in the early spring steppe. The Timurid right flank under Pir Muhammad Bin Jahangir clashed with the numerically superior Ming left wing. The Ming were confident in their number as they sought to outflank the retreating Timurid cavalry. But Timurid cannons were closer once the Chinese were near Timurid lines and it was a disastrous event for the pursuers. half of the light Ming cavalry were decimated by Timurid artillery. But the the rest were able to pull back in time. Now the more armored Perisan cavalry under joint command of Rustam and Muhammad Sultan clashed with the Ming right wing and were successful in pushing them back. Rustam, emboldened by his success sought to penetrate the Chinese lines. But it was a fatal mistake as Ming gunners and artillery in the center opened fire. The timely intervention of Muhammad Sultan saved some troops but Rustam was killed. Now a generalized assault was happening all over the front. The superior Chinese infantry and gunners were cutting into Timurid numbers bit by bit. But they were dealt a blow when Timur participated with his reserve and nearly destroyed the Ming center as the latter was planning to outflank the Timurid right. Timurid gunners were all horse mounted but would dismount when firing their weapons. The Chinese gunners were all infantry except for those using fire lances. The battle was over for that day. High profile Timurid casualties included Rustam and Pir Muhammad Bin Umar Sheikh, the latter killed by a stray arrow when participating in the fighting by his grandfather's side.
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Image: Timurid Cavalry during Battle of UngleJian

The next day, The battle began as Timur anxiously looked over the horizon behind his army. Novices might think he is looking for a way to retreat if all doesn't go to plan. But it was difficult to guess the Prince of destruction. The Ming forces again clashed with Timurids all over the front as Timurid began to fall back under the pressure. Timurid right escaped to the side forming a large gap. But the Ming left wing were stunned as Timur came in to fill it and his gunners made short work of Ming light cavalry. The large Ming left was disarrayed as the Timurid right under Pir Muhammad Jahangir outflanked them. The whole of Ming left would have been destroyed if it were not for Yongle's timely intervention which saved half of his embattled forces and forced Timur to retreat. But Pir Muhammad Jahangir wasn't lucky as he was shot by Ming arrows while retreating. The battlefield was a total chaos now as Ming left collapsed. But situation on the Timurid center was also dire as Ming artillery began taking toll on the Timurid infantry. Gunners from both sides fired salvo after salvo. In the height of the battle, Timurid infantry and handgunners in the center were surrounded by enemy cavalry. But Timurid prince Muhammad Sultan joined in the fray as he formed up a box formation with his few riders and rest of the footmen. Assault after assault was repelled by this group as Ming cavalry was unable to break the formation. Yongle now personally directed his retinue to the new center of Timurid resistance. But Muhammad Sultan was able to retreat out of the Ming cannon's range in time along with most of the infantry. The Timurids were now in full retreat as Timur raised his standard. The Forces departed from each other and formed an incomplete 'V' formation as they retreated. Yongle and his retinue were smelling victory as they attempted to encircle the separated Timurid flanks on the retreat. But that was not to be as large figures now rushed towards the Chinese in full fury from the west. Yongle ordered his gunners to fire upon the huge beasts but they were rendered helpless by Timurid cavalry as it closed on the rear and formed up in a complete 'V' formation, thus trapping the Chinese forces between them and the mad giants. The elephants crushed the Ming footmen who were out of gunpowder after having to deal with several Timurid cavalry charges and their long range artillery was too far to help them. Yongle however, managed to fight his way out of this encirclement as his unfortunate troops were stomped upon and thrown away by 30 war elephants. The scattered Ming forces retreated to east. 5 elephants were killed by artillery as the Timurids took over Ming camp. By midday the battle was over as 45,000 Timurids and 57,000 Ming troops lay dead on the battlefield. Emir Timur was clearly the victor. A lot of Chinese gunpowder weapons were captured along with prisoners who knew their use. But without celebrating he rushed onwards and laid siege to Kubei[3], eventually sacking it on 15 Shaban 806 (27 February 1404). Yongle was on the retreat and he abandoned most cities until settling in Lanzhou due to Khalka Mongol rebellion. But a large Khalka Mongol raid in late Shaban (early March) on his position caused him to retreat further to Xian. In 6 Ramadan 806( 18 March 1404), Timur laid siege to Lanzhou but fell sick and handed over responsibility to Muhammad Sultan Mirza. It seemed all of Northern China would bow to Timurid might. But Yongle had another trick up his sleeve. Just as he reached Xian on mid Ramadan (late March), he contacted the Oirat leader Mahamu to start a rebellion in western Mongolia to cut off Timurid supply from Central Asia. Estranged in the power game by his so called allies, Mahamu agreed.

(From 'Eternal Kingdom: Rider from the sky' by Riyad Muqaddim Al Hussein)

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[1],[2],[3] OTL towns of Zhangye, Dongle and Wuwei

phew, that's it for now. Hope i was able to draw a Timurid victory without too much wank. Yongle is on the retreat because his army has lost supplies and he needs to find a safe place before calling in reinforcements.
 
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Will the golden horde colonize Siberia? Are have they already
Look at the map, some parts are already under loose administration. But wholesale colonisation will have to wait until 16th century when Asian affairs will drag the Tatars east and renew interest in the region.
 
Treasons and abductions

You have to keep breaking your
heart until it opens-
Jalaluddin Rumi

The Iron Oath
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The Bazar near Karakorrum was very busy in the Ramadan. The sellers of Date and fig from Persia, the local fishermen with their catch, the seasonal hunters putting up wild fowls and venison all was present. There were also folk-tellers who told the tales of the mighty Nomadic lords, the Serpent and the hero, the desperate maiden of the antiquity and middle ages.

Atrak was brought back to his focus when Nogai pushed his leg away so that the day-dreaming man wouldn't fall in front of a bullock cart. He had better be careful in the narrow ways of the makeshift market which the traders built for themselves. He went straight to a shop which looked like it sold everything, from Russian wine to the Chinese dagger.

Atrak begin checking out a bracelet and asked the vendor about its price.

"Hmm sells for 5 Dirhams, Sayyid. Perfectly natuaral pearls, straight from the lands of Hindustan. This is from the extreme south which the great Emir avoided during his conquest. Though I could give you for free."

"No thanks, I'll pay for it. Business seems to be going well for you to be generous enough to me, eh?"
Atrak spoke as he fumbled in his pocket.

"By Allah, not since the time of Ughtai have we seen such prosperity in Mongolia. And you sayyid are a door to knowledge of Deen to us. May Allah give you baraka in your lifespan." The trader finished as he eagerly took the money, contrary to his approach seconds ago.

Suddenly Nogai was growling and Atrak tried to calm him down . But the 'civilized' wolf would not stop and his hair stood on his back and ears folded downwards. Atrak was wondering what was all the commotion until people were screaming and running to the opposite direction.

"What on Allah's world is-" the trader couldn't finish his sentence as an arrow pierced him straight in the chest. Atrak bowed down quickly and grabbed hold of a large metal bowl to use it as shield as many arrows flung by, taking with them some unfortunate souls who were not fast enough.

After things seemed to calm down a bit, Atrak stood up and looked at his surroundings. His senses calmed as he heard sounds of hooves. Perhaps riders approaching to investigate the situation.

He was surprised when a rider roped him. Soon several others surrounded him. Nogai kept growling and slowly kept approaching.

"Look, Alborag! You better finish looting here because once Mahamu has finished his preparations we would be going deep inside Mongolia. So better not burden ourselves with slaves and such. Emperor of Heaven will pay us more than we will gain by tiring our horses in this plains." A rider was talking to a man who approached to tie up Atrak but stopped seeing the murderous canine.

"Wow, stop that dog of yours. Look we have no qualms with you. We just want some money. The great Emir will pay us or he will get stuck in China. So poor of him to think he could pass by and elect a Khan by himself without consulting Mahamu, the leader of Choros!" the man spoke.

Atark wanted to be free but the ligature was getting tight around his throat. He fumbled and searched for his dagger but remembered he never carried one. He mentally cursed himself but an enormous blow to his neck and he started seeing stars. He thought he would go unconscious, hearing the faded sounds of a wolf growling and a man's screaming. Nogai was fighting a losing battle with 5 men as they attempted to stop the canine from saving his owner. Atrak felt himself being lifted and began blacking out again.

"My, it took ten stabs to immobilise that beast and WHAT- it is still breathing. It is not a dog, it's a devil's spawn! Let's get out of here while we can." was the last thing he heard before he inundated into darkness.
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Narangerel wiped off the dirt from the dozing wolf's forehead as she nudged him to wake up. She served him his breakfast on a bowl. Since that fateful day 2 weeks ago, none of them have been able to live their normal lives. The joy of Eid didn't touch them, more so than the others. The Timurids were involved in a desperate struggle against both the Ming and the rebellious Oirats.

Narangerel still remembers the moment when she screamed at the news of her husband gone missing after that cursed raid upon their settlement. She was wailing and crying loudly until she heard someone pointing out that his dog was lying injured. She rushed to the spot and found her husband's dog lying in a pool of blood. She never knew what hit her when she carried the heavy beast all by herself to the healer's tent demanding attention. She would never cry out loud since that day but she completely shut herself from social activites. Nights were the most miserable as she struggled to sleep in the now cold bed, bereft of her lover's warmth and absence of his soothing words in her ears. She would now spend majority of her times in the prayer met where she cried in silence. Will Allah hear her? She used every opportunity of Ramadan and Eid. But all search parties came empty handed. She couldn't blame anyone. Even the heir apparent Muhammad Sultan was grieved by his senior's fate and he personally led several missions to retrieve him.

But she shouldn't lose her trust in Almighty. For this was merely a delay in his returning. The Timurids rescued some captured people and it looked like the Western Mongols weren't into killing their prisoners. Perhaps this was a sign from Allah to her to take some measures. And she knew what those would be.

As Narangerel walked back into the yurt, Nogai followed her with a clear limp. It is not only extraordinary that this wolf survived the carnage but also a sign of divine blessing. If the dog is blessed the owner should be too, which kept the flame of hope inside her burning.

She opened up a case and took out some things. An armor, a helmet, an arrow case and a sword. The sword belonged to her father Arughtai who recently died campaigning against the Chinese. But the grief of losing her husband was so great that many were surprised when she didn't react much to the news of his death.

She donned the armor and put on the helmet, strapped the arrow case on her back and sheathed the sword. Nogai gave a short howl.

"Don't worry, wolf lord. I will bring back Atrak to you, Allah willing." Narangerel patted the wolf on the head and headed out.

She was no longer a girl out of her teens, she was now a matured woman who would scour the whole Mongolian plains in search of her husband. Behind her, the lame wolf follows. Like the Lame Emir, will he be the scourge of God upon his enemies?

(From 'Samarqand Diaries' by Edward Hoffman, adoption of 'Sijillat Atrak')

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Oirat rebellion and Timurid response
In the last days of Ramadan of year 806, the Oirat confederation under Mahamu attacked Timurid positions and sacked settlements. The Chinese promise of wealth deluded the opportunistic tribal leader to act against the mighty Timurids. The Oirats were very successful at first, reaching up to north range of Tien Shan range in their raids. Further incursions in Moghulistan was stopped when Iskendar Bin Umar Sheikh intervened on behalf of his grandfather and chased them away to Mongolia. Emboldened by this success, he would continue on his pursuit after receiving reinforcements from Muhammad Sultan. However, in the battle of Horgon Nur river, his retinue of 8,000 was ambushed by an Oirat force of 15,000. The Timurids were slaughtered and Iskendar was severely wounded. His younger brother Bayqara who was in his teens managed to deliver the injured commander and some of his forces to safety. This emboldened the Oirats who now hoped to besiege Karakorrum. But the promised Ming army which was supposed to rush from the east didn't come. Moreover, the Iron lord recovered from his sickness in middle Shawwal 806 (April 1404) and was furious after learning the Oirat's betrayal. But he knew better than to abandon the siege of Lanzhou, so he sent Muhammad Sultan Mirza to deal with Mahamu and his gang with a force of 9,000 troops, 500 of which were Ming gunners who declared their fealty to the Emir.
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Image : Mahamu of Choros, de facto leader of Oirat confederation

Meanwhile, Mahamu was also facing problems on domestic front. His policy of not sharing all info with his subordinates created confusion. Furthermore, leaders of Korkhut and Dorbet accused Mahamu of embezzling Ming gifts for himself( a topic still debated by historians). Among them, Kiyar the leader of Korkhut planned to betray Mahamu and secretly contacted Muhammad Sultan. The Timurid prince, not trusting the Oirats gave a false info regarding his position in a return letter. Ironically, Mahamu found out the conspiracy against him and had Kiyar killed. The letters from Muhammad Sultan were also seized which were dubbed 'authentic' by the Oirat leader. Accordingly, the nomadic raiders headed out to meet the Timurids near modern day Bokayu[1].

The Oirats encamped on the eastern part of the hill which overlooked the plains. They were caught by surprise on 4 Dhul Qadh 806 (14 May 1404) as a large Timurid host arrived not from the east but from the west and occupied the hill, contrary to the info on the letters from Muhammad Sultan. The Oirat army of 15,000 composed only of 2 wings. The Timurids formed up in 2 wings and a center, even with their inferior numbers. The Oirats attacked Timurids all over the fronts. The newly formed Timurid 'dragoons' were effective in their use of fire lance and handguns. But the numerical superiority of the Oirats forced the Timurids on the defensive. The cavalry wings broke and spread out creating a wide gap between the infantry center and the approaching enemy horsemen. Mahamu wasted no time and thrust forward to destroy the remnant of Timurid army. But here, Muhammad Sultan used the same square tactic as in battle of UngleJian and repelled several assaults. The unbreakable spirit of the Timurid infantry and the resilience of Chinese gunners proved to be the lucky streak which saved Sultan Muhammad.
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Image: Battle of Bokayu depicting Timurid Infantry fighting off Oirat cavalry.

Muhammad sultan cleverly deployed a team of 150 horsemen behind the hill. As soon as the infantry repulsed a 4th attack by Oirats, the hidden force came out and clashed with one of the Oirat wings. But once again, the numbers proved too much and the Timurid cavalry retreated. But now the main Timurid cavalry which regrouped after their flight crashed upon the tired Oirats. Unable to withstand such an attack, the Oirats broke into retreat. The Timurids gave chase and soon many Oirat commanders including the ringleader Mahamu was captured. The fate of those men were already sealed and Muhammad Sultan allowed a grieving wife of one of his troops to torture the Oirat leader in a show of brutality.

The Oirats were soon under attack and by the next year, all of them but some members of the Dorbet tribe were on the run from Timurids. The atrocities upon the Oirats were so severe that the west bank of lake Baikal was completely empty of any human settlement by the end of 808 (1406). The Oirats, unable to oppose the Timurids migrated west, towards Siberia and Golden Horde territories.
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Image: a group of migrating Oirats

This grand event was known as the 'great westward exit' to the Oirat chroniclers. After death of Timur in Shaban 807 (February 1405) and the eventual ceasefire and treaty between Ming empire and Timurids, the Oirats could not return to their ancestral lands anymore. Settling in Siberia was easier said than done as there were many hostile tribes prior to arrival of Oirats. But under the leadership of an energetic man named Esen, they would once again grow into a formidable force and demand the attention of the Khan of Golden horde himself. Furthermore, they will attack the natives of Siberia and Aral sea regions, forcing the Nogais to march south to the Western Timurid lands, later leading to the formation of one of the most iconic empires in the history of Asia .

(From 'Tarikhul Fars wal Mashreq' by Ali Adnani)

[1] OTL Alekseyevka

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And so that's it for now. A bit of short-ish update. Yes, Timurids chased Oirats and Oirats chased Nogais to the south. For now the dog banners will be in Persia but I have laid out a very INTERESTING path for them in late 15th century. And what's your opinion of Narngerel as a female mongol warrior, the reincarnation of Tomiris? Do review and tell!
 
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Bump* no responses? Reactions are good on average. But everytime after a post on central Asia there is a silence , leading me to think my writing is not upto the mark, or just that this area is neglected even in AH despite the potentials😕. It seems that everyone thinks islam = Osmanli.
 
Bump* no responses? Reactions are good on average. But everytime after a post on central Asia there is a silence , leading me to think my writing is not upto the mark, or just that this area is neglected even in AH despite the potentials😕. It seems that everyone thinks islam = Osmanli.
I suppose there is a saying "likes are good but comments are better"

Your writing is very good. Above the mark in my opinion.
The problem lies in the fact that I have not really much knowledge about the area to discuss the topic. The area is defenitely neglected.
 
I suppose there is a saying "likes are good but comments are better"

Your writing is very good. Above the mark in my opinion.
The problem lies in the fact that I have not really much knowledge about the area to discuss the topic. The area is defenitely neglected.
Well I scoured AH for 2 years before making an account so yes, my writing should not be 'bad'.

Also I am surprised how everyone just stops and watches me do a Timurid wank in a Golden horde TL ( OTL was wank anyway). But perhaps I haven't done too much wank with update on Timurid-Ming wars. Next time be prepared to see a PLC wank( sort of).
 
Bump* no responses? Reactions are good on average. But everytime after a post on central Asia there is a silence , leading me to think my writing is not upto the mark, or just that this area is neglected even in AH despite the potentials😕. It seems that everyone thinks islam = Osmanli.
Sorry wanted to respond but life just too busy.

Well i believe not many people are really well versed in the subject and so treat this tl as learning exprience. Not just that, even to the Ottoman itself some thing can still get better or still mixed up with pop history even if the subject (at least on this site) is significantly better compared to just few years ago. But to be well versed there must be a start, and you can just think yourself as a pioneer who open the way for others and i hope you continue this Central Asia and China to lesser extent focus.

Anyway to the tl itself, will the Qirat be used as mercenaries for various powebroker in the Golden Horde like the Khawarazmian in Middle East after the fall of Khawarazmian Empire before them? Like the Circassian & Tatar in the Ottoman, I can see some Khan or Emir used them as garrison to provide a bulkwark agaisnt Lithuania and serve as loyal population in now devastated Rus plus to keep them in check as well (In Siberia the are at best autonomous). They also can serve as raider in case of war (or even peace time) with Lithuania or Poland or maybe even Hungary.

The Mongolia and the aftermath of the war with the Ming situation is interesting but it still to early to tell beyond what I already said couple post ago to really comment anything new. Interesting update by the way.
 
Sorry wanted to respond but life just too busy.

Well i believe not many people are really well versed in the subject and so treat this tl as learning exprience. Not just that, even to the Ottoman itself some thing can still get better or still mixed up with pop history even if the subject (at least on this site) is significantly better compared to just few years ago. But to be well versed there must be a start, and you can just think yourself as a pioneer who open the way for others and i hope you continue this Central Asia and China to lesser extent focus.

Anyway to the tl itself, will the Qirat be used as mercenaries for various powebroker in the Golden Horde like the Khawarazmian in Middle East after the fall of Khawarazmian Empire before them? Like the Circassian & Tatar in the Ottoman, I can see some Khan or Emir used them as garrison to provide a bulkwark agaisnt Lithuania and serve as loyal population in now devastated Rus plus to keep them in check as well (In Siberia the are at best autonomous). They also can serve as raider in case of war (or even peace time) with Lithuania or Poland or maybe even Hungary.

The Mongolia and the aftermath of the war with the Ming situation is interesting but it still to early to tell beyond what I already said couple post ago to really comment anything new. Interesting update by the way.
We all have busy life it seems. Thanks for suggestions but at least one or two constructive feedback is welcome😊 after every post.

Anyway Oirats will be integrated into Tatar realm much earlier despite causing so much chaos ( as with Nogais being chased south) many of them by that time will be nestorian. How they interact with the orthodox Rus will be an intriguing aspect indeed after settling in areas depopulated by Timur's campaign . Expect some good backlash from the clergy until the Khan says "why don't you convert them instead of being crybabies?" Also Oirat incursion will change the history of Aral sea area forever as a new group of lords will rise up ( no revolts against Sarai for now though ) there to oppose the new arrivals.

Ah, Novgorod-Lithuania, Poland Lithuania and Hungary will see a lot of action because the new Khan is west oriented and has ambitions to retain the horde's position in east European politics and plans to expand in Balkans. His Beglar bek is a Rus prince who wishes to conquer his ancestral lands. Expect a lot of wars between them for the next 50 years, this will increasingly benefit a power outside of the mentioned ones to their south. (Take a guess?)
 
We all have busy life it seems. Thanks for suggestions but at least one or two constructive feedback is welcome😊 after every post.

Anyway Oirats will be integrated into Tatar realm much earlier despite causing so much chaos ( as with Nogais being chased south) many of them by that time will be nestorian. How they interact with the orthodox Rus will be an intriguing aspect indeed after settling in areas depopulated by Timur's campaign . Expect some good backlash from the clergy until the Khan says "why don't you convert them instead of being crybabies?" Also Oirat incursion will change the history of Aral sea area forever as a new group of lords will rise up ( no revolts against Sarai for now though ) there to oppose the new arrivals.

Ah, Novgorod-Lithuania, Poland Lithuania and Hungary will see a lot of action because the new Khan is west oriented and has ambitions to retain the horde's position in east European politics and plans to expand in Balkans. His Beglar bek is a Rus prince who wishes to conquer his ancestral lands. Expect a lot of wars between them for the next 50 years, this will increasingly benefit a power outside of the mentioned ones to their south. (Take a guess?)
the Ottoman finally gonna shine
 
East Africa I hope. Compared to Italian there is not much tl that explore the subject. There is a tl long ago, that unfortunately i forgot the name, that explore Ottoman focus more in East Africa with submission of various East African city states to the Ottoman. But Portuguese disruption of trade still bit in the future, Mameluke Egypt still exist, and so on.

Also maybe if Ottoman conquer Egypt in this tl they can done so in more complete manner. As in completely uproot of the Mameluke and not left them remain in power at all. Will they still claim the Caliphate this time? Or just content to be another protector of Abbasid Caliph we will see.
 
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