Unbuilt Britain

Devvy

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A thread for sharing and discussing the unbuilt proposals for "stuff" in Britain, post-1900. To start with (with thanks to @Masked Grizzly , and removed quote tags to make it easier to quote this post). Partly copied across from the semi-contentious "London thinks big" thread.:

Proposed EuroStar Terminus at White City, The station would have been a through station with the aim of allowing trains to pass through to the north of England — a plan similar to that was also included but never carried out with the current Eurostars. - https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/20...on-the-channel-tunnel-terminus-at-white-city/

Might have worked pretty well had it been built yet would have likely needed to have been complemented by other planned High Speed routes through London.

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Biota! - A proposal for a huge aquarium to be built next to the Millennium Mills at the Docklands in East London.

Although the aquarium was due to be completed in 2007, the project had already slipped a bit when the 2007/8 global financial crash took place and faced with a recession it was delayed again.

This caused wider problems as the planning application for the aquarium required it to be built before the rest of the site could be developed, so the delays were holding up a planned £1.5 billion redevelopment. Eventually, in September 2009 the landowner, the London Development Agency pulled the plug on the project.


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1948 London Rail Plan & 1949 London Plan Working Party, 'Proposed New Routes' (Found in following link below)​

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Proposed 1989 Crossrail Schemes (from the previous link above)

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CROSSRAIL OPTIONS
  • CLAPHERPOOL LINE: Liverpool St - Clapham Junction
  • WATERPOOL LINE: Liverpool St - Paddington
  • LIVERPADD LINE: Liverpool St - Paddington
  • KING VIC LINE: King’s Cross - Victoria
  • PADDERLOOPOOL LINE: Liverpool St-Waterloo-Victoria-Paddington
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Glorious thread. Glorious. Will be injecting it directly into my eyelids. Unbuilt Anything is a perpetual delight, Unbuilt Britain that much more so.
 

Devvy

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Was this a reliever for, or alternative to (judging by the vintage of paper and font) Luton?
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It would have been a 4 runway airport, midway between London and Birmingham, I think gently intended to be a second or third airport (depending on how Gatwick developed). I think it would have probably destroyed demand at Luton, abstracted some business from Gatwick, and in the longer term assuming development immediately around it is kept out, taken over from Heathrow when that airport became as it is now. ...if proper transport connections were provided.
 
Linky

It would have been a 4 runway airport, midway between London and Birmingham, I think gently intended to be a second or third airport (depending on how Gatwick developed). I think it would have probably destroyed demand at Luton, abstracted some business from Gatwick, and in the longer term assuming development immediately around it is kept out, taken over from Heathrow when that airport became as it is now. ...if proper transport connections were provided.

That's an impressive alternate path. Dual layers of hub-and-spoke, not only skyward but also rail lines, A-roads, etc., could indeed see a "string of pearls" approach from Heathrow up through here on to Brum and Manchester. At that scale as you say surely a Luton killer (perhaps with decent road/rail connections Luton shifts towards private aircraft?) and a danger to Gatwick if they can get a clean express line into the city (and one towards the West Midlands for that matter.)
 

Devvy

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That's an impressive alternate path. Dual layers of hub-and-spoke, not only skyward but also rail lines, A-roads, etc., could indeed see a "string of pearls" approach from Heathrow up through here on to Brum and Manchester. At that scale as you say surely a Luton killer (perhaps with decent road/rail connections Luton shifts towards private aircraft?) and a danger to Gatwick if they can get a clean express line into the city (and one towards the West Midlands for that matter.)
When I wrote my British Railways timeline, one consequence of Cublington Airport I thought was Milton Keynes area being the prime IT area instead of the Reading area. Many butterflies!
 
When I wrote my British Railways timeline, one consequence of Cublington Airport I thought was Milton Keynes area being the prime IT area instead of the Reading area. Many butterflies!

Makes sense. Butterflies indeed. Last time I lived in the UK, right at the millennium, I went relatively often through Reading on the Great Western trunk line right at the time of that efflorescence as all the big IT campuses were being built. Very different to shift that up to the edge of the Midlands rather than through the Thames Valley.
 

Devvy

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Different ideas for London's rebuilding following World War 2. These are all from different concepts and plans, mostly for the City of London, and mostly not used as most needed further destruction of remaining buildings. Many of the ideas tried to address the low-level & high density buildings, whilst also trying to mitigate the rampant traffic that came from booming car ownership.

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Different ideas for London's rebuilding following World War 2. These are all from different concepts and plans, mostly for the City of London, and mostly not used as most needed further destruction of remaining buildings. Many of the ideas tried to address the low-level & high density buildings, whilst also trying to mitigate the rampant traffic that came from booming car ownership.
Any estimates on how much demolition would have been needed?
 

Devvy

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Any estimates on how much demolition would have been needed?

Quite a bit; see below for a map of "damaged and needing rebuilding" (in black). You can see most of the area around Moorgate/Bank/Monument and east is fine (ie. damaged, but generally repairable). Most of the thoroughly rebuilt areas are the infamous Barbican, and directly south to the river. If the Blitz had been a bit worse, then maybe the central City would have had the justification for some of the more "ambitious" rebuilding schemes.

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Thanks Devvy

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Before the city embraces pedestrianization, would further build upon this ATL London by having all road projects completed beforehand (e.g. Ringways - plus all radials including Eastway aka Eastern radial from Hackney Wick to Angel via both Victoria Park and Old Street, Arterial A-Ring Road, M12 Motorway, A11(M) - from Stratford to Bishops Stortford with main railway lines being unaffected: albeit as different motorway from what became M11 with its own identity, Thames tunnels / bridges*, Airports, Canals - specifically though from London outwards, etc) as well as a different evolution of its Rail / Underground network (albeit with a pre-1900 POD).

Would also add a more lenient Metropolitan Green Belt compared to OTL as opposed to ditching it completely, any concerns about the former are largely unwarranted as it is possible the Greater London area could feature post-war versions of realized unbuilt projects like High Paddington, which appears to be a precursor of today's engineers saying OTL London has the capacity to build 280k more homes above railways. Such properties had they been built earlier could also be used for example to house the 15-80k Londoners whose homes are in the way of the ATL London Railways project, etc.

While not believing a white elephant scheme like the Central London Monorail network would have been able to adequately replace buses, it would nevertheless have been fascinating to see it thoroughly updated and further expanded to other parts of London with suitable interchanges. https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2015/09/20/unbuilt-london-replacing-buses-with-a-monrail-network/


*- Includes number 38 of London Area: 1937 Proposals Inner map (have to really zoom in to see map), which was a proposed tunnel/bridge linking North Woolwich north of the Themes with Woolwich south of the Themes and had it been built would have butterflied away the OTL Woolwich Ferry. https://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/maps/

Another would be the Medway-Canvey Island Themes Crossing, along with another Thames Crossing linking the Isle of Dogs with Deptford as part of the 1943-1944 Abercrombie Plan's B Ring Road (another link for slightly closer look).


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Stepney Tower (1919) - A mighty War Memorial Campanile (bell tower) which would have stood just to the south of Albert Square (today Albert Gardens) about half-way between Shadwell and Limehouse stations on the DLR. Based on the architects drawing, it would have been the principle landmark across much of the East-End of London. Roughly estimated from the drawing below to be about the same height as Big Ben. The tower was itself just part of a series of rebuilding works in the area, the most dramatic of which is the following road scheme below.

Stepney Greeting Road (1919) - A 110 ft wide road that would have entailed the railway running between Limehouse and Fenchurch Street to be buried underground and would have seen huge numbers of workers housing and workshops demolished to further the goal of shifting more cars more rapidly (and later on potentially being integrated into the ATL London Ringways). On top of that Fenchurch Street station would have been replaced with a new terminus featuring a direct link to the London Underground either at or nearby the former Minories railway station (possibly adopting the name Tower Hill). - https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2015/08/23/unbuilt-london-stepneys-massive-clock-tower/

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New Euston Station proposal (1938) by Percy Thomas (Londonist)
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Hammersmith Broadway Tube Station redevelopment scheme (1970s) by Norman Foster - Involved the complete destruction of Hammersmith Broadway and its replacement with an enormous new transport interchange-cum-office block, with a bus and Tube station at the base and a helicopter landing pad at the top (?) along with a ring of offices and shops enclosing a covered public space.

It is possible the following two images are different versions of the same proposal.
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London Penta Hotel (1968) by Richard Seifert - This hotel proposal by the same guy who did Centre Point and Tower 42, it was to be located at Gloucester Road and planned to feature 2000 rooms on 38 total floors. The project was eventually scaled down into the Holiday Inn tower that currently stands on Cloucester Road, due to the belief the initial project would interrupt views from the nearby Hyde Park and Kensington Gardens. http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=7050

London Millennium Tower (1996) by Sir Norman Foster- Intended to stand where the OTL Gherkin is currently located at 30 St Mary Axe, City of London. It is a 386-metre / 1265 foot tall skyscraper featuring 92 floors with more than 1,500,000 sq ft of office space, apartments, shops, restaurants and gardens.- https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2015/12/27/unbuilt-london-the-millennium-tower/

Docklands Southern Relief Road / DSRR (1978) - Designed to offer a bypass around Greenwich, the route starts from Charlton at Bugsby’s Way across the south of the Isle of Dogs (roughly at Millwall Outer Dock) before crossing the river again to end up at the Rotherhithe one-way system via Lower Road or Rotherhithe New Road. - https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2017/01/28/unbuilt-london-the-docklands-southern-relief-road/

St Paul's Bridge (1906-1909) - Originally proposed in 1906 by architect Thomas Collcutt, who suggested a new bridge to run from the eastern side (the back) of St Paul’s Cathedral across the Thames and should be in the model of old London Bridge with shops along it. - https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/2016/12/17/unbuilt-london-the-st-pauls-bridge/
 
New Euston Station proposal (1938) by Percy Thomas (Londonist)
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Hammersmith Broadway Tube Station redevelopment scheme (1970s) by Norman Foster - Involved the complete destruction of Hammersmith Broadway and its replacement with an enormous new transport interchange-cum-office block, with a bus and Tube station at the base and a helicopter landing pad at the top (?) along with a ring of offices and shops enclosing a covered public space.

It is possible the following two images are different versions of the same proposal.
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Having used Hammersmith station many times in my youth I would have 100% support this plan. Hell I'd support it happening now.

London Penta Hotel (1968) by Richard Seifert - This hotel proposal by the same guy who did Centre Point and Tower 42, it was to be located at Gloucester Road and planned to feature 2000 rooms on 38 total floors. The project was eventually scaled down into the Holiday Inn tower that currently stands on Cloucester Road, due to the belief the initial project would interrupt views from the nearby Hyde Park and Kensington Gardens. http://www.skyscrapernews.com/buildings.php?id=7050
Before I clicked I knew that proposal would be hideous, and it was! I can only assume Seifert specialised in finding compromising material on clients and blackmailing them into using him, I can't think of any other reason he kept getting commissions.
 
Before I clicked I knew that proposal would be hideous, and it was! I can only assume Seifert specialised in finding compromising material on clients and blackmailing them into using him, I can't think of any other reason he kept getting commissions.
We can be thankful Seifert wasn't good enough at finding compromising material to actually get any of his architectural pornography built
 
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