UN sanctions on Israel without veto

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RousseauX

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Take some time to look into Turkish politics and you will see that since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mustafa_Kemal_Atat%C3%BCrk the army has been a driving force in Turkey enforcing a western, secular state.

This also meant that many political parties were excluded from elections.
The last elections is Turkey were the first elections without those restrictions. True democracy in Turkey is still untested at this time.
But your argument was literally "everyone else is a dictatorship", not "Turkey isn't a true democracy" stop shifting the goalpost.
As i said i have no intention of continuing a debate with someone who has made his bias perfectly clear and has shown no willingness to listen.

Only a fool continues an argument with someone who does not listen. Trying to bait me by calling me chicken is not going to work.
Jesus Christ

You are in a debate, debates by definition involved biases or else there wouldn't be a debate, if you are refuse to argue because of "bias" then you are basically announcing you have no interest in engaging in any form of debate.

Face it, you don't want to engage in real, actual debate because you are afraid you might lose, and because you genuinely know very little about Israel-Palestinian conflict.
Instead i ask you to consider your own position and the argument i made: dialog brings recognition, recognition brings respect, respect brings friendship, friendship brings peace. Violence only bring death and violence.
Christ multiple people here are trying actually engage you in a debate about the dialogues. If you don't want to respond to arguments then you should sit down and shut up.
 

Jason222

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How possible is it to have a complete worldwide embargo, up to and including South Africa-style economic sanctions and a possible ban on travel to Israel, if the United States had not vetoed UN Security Council resolutions?

I'm curious about this. Would the UN really have, as I read, imposed South Africa-style sanctions if it hadn't been for the veto? Or would there be some mild sanctions, an arms embargo over Lebanon, and nothing really more. And what would be the effect of such sanctions?
Israel not South Africa Israel can fight back and fight back hard.

One thing you are suggestion would not happen EU never go along ban people allow travel to Israel. That basic stop must human right volunteer working in West Bank and Gaze strip and Israel could threat to ban UN in those areas to.
Arm embargo last time that happen Israel began making must own arms and near impossible prevent other nations buy Israel made weapons even with UN security Council agree on it.

As for economic sanction hurt Palestinians in West Bank and Gaze strip worst hurt Israel. Leading longer number Palestinian Arab leaving the West Bank and Gaze strip for many reasons into Jordan and Egypt of course this Israel does nothing real response. Israel still likely find countries trade with. Israel also unleashes computer virus and do trillion dollars worth damage world economic take revenge in full rest the World or at least first world nations.
 
However, a capitulation is rarely used to describe any situation except total defeat, a la WWI. You will notice that neither Jordan nor Egypt were forced into virtually unconditional surrenders, nor were they forced to dismantle any large or core part of their military or state, nor did they have to pay any large reparations, harsh terms typically associated with a capitulation.

No, Jordan simply agreed to everything Israel demended and got nothing in return. That's surrender.

And stop claiming I said Egypt surrendered! Egypt was only Arab state that performed well in war which made Israel willing to sign a compromise peace.
 
No, a peace treaty is not a surrender, especially since I notice you offer nothing that Jordan actually gave up in the treaty.

As for compromises...the only thing Egypt didn't regain was Gaza, which Egypt did not want returned in the first place.
 
Israel not South Africa Israel can fight back and fight back hard.

One thing you are suggestion would not happen EU never go along ban people allow travel to Israel. That basic stop must human right volunteer working in West Bank and Gaze strip and Israel could threat to ban UN in those areas to.
Arm embargo last time that happen Israel began making must own arms and near impossible prevent other nations buy Israel made weapons even with UN security Council agree on it.

As for economic sanction hurt Palestinians in West Bank and Gaze strip worst hurt Israel. Leading longer number Palestinian Arab leaving the West Bank and Gaze strip for many reasons into Jordan and Egypt of course this Israel does nothing real response. Israel still likely find countries trade with. Israel also unleashes computer virus and do trillion dollars worth damage world economic take revenge in full rest the World or at least first world nations.

You're right, Israel isn't South Africa. It faces the incompetent Fatah and Hamas, not the competent ANC, and it's got a nuclear margin none of its neighbors can overcome by itself, without factoring in the USA with it.
 
No, a peace treaty is not a surrender, especially since I notice you offer nothing that Jordan actually gave up in the treaty.

Peace treaty is not a surrender, but surrender can be in a form of peace treaty. Jordan gave up everything. West bank, right of return.....

As for compromises...the only thing Egypt didn't regain was Gaza, which Egypt did not want returned in the first place.

Yes, and Israel gave back Sinai, giving land back is something Israel loathes to do and does it only when there is no other way. As Egypt gave good military performance in 1973 Israel agreed to it. Jordan didn't and neither did Palestinians so Israel kept the land. Egypt simply had better hand and could get a compromise peace, others don't and hence can't.
 
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