Ultra Ameriwank scenarios

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The American Revolution spreads...

To Britain and a new republic is formed. Revolutionary France joins the republic.

Would the Atlantic Republic of America declare war on Spain?

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The US would be unbeatable on land by this time and might well conquer much more of Canada, at least until the peace treaty, but for it to match Britain at sea at this time?

Steve

Agreed. In this scenario I don't see how the UK could hope to keep anything on the continent. Perhaps they envisioned such an invasion and held vastly greater numbers in Canada than before but I don't think they could keep enough there to prevent an American annexation if they wanted it. Without any land bases, early successes of British naval superiority would be negligible. The war would move totally to the seas and I think an American industry would be able to keep pace and exceed British numbers if the war lasted more than just even a few years. The US could focus on protecting her coasts while presumably the UK would have it's over seas colonies that needed protecting (hence while I agree with the poster that mentioned the royal merchant marine being much more vulnerable than ours). If the war was started over Canada I don't see how any resolution except American domination over those now Northern States is possible. I length and expensive naval war might progress but I think time would be on the American side.
 

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I decided the first map wasn't ameriwank enough, so here's one for 1920 showing her allies...

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Oh I admit that there was anti-Catholic feeling, but the Irish thing was more against "dirty immigrants taking our jobs" than religion. There were Catholics among the founding Fathers after all, and Catholic senators and representatives from the very beginning. It shouldn't be that hard for the (essentially white) Mexican upper class to be fully assimilated rather rapidly.

That may happen however the Tejanos and Californios weren't treated very well OTL but it was more a matter of Americans wanting land then racial or religous bigotry.
 
Here's a short timeline

1775: Quebec and Nova Scotia join the thirteen colonies in the American Revolution. The Continenatal Army secures Canada by spring of 1776. Carribean colonies including Jamaica join the Revolution also.
1776: The 16 colonies form the Declaration of Independence (on May 23rd in TTL) New York is captured by the British along with Halifax but the Americans fight on gamely.
1777: The Americans win great victories defending Quebec City and besieging New York. France joins the American Revolution.
1778: The Americans and the French beat back British assaults on Georgia and Florida is captured by the French and the Spanish.
1779: New York is finally captured by the Continental Army, Howe flees to Halifax and American and French assaults are beaten off.
1780: Benjamin Franklin goes to Paris to secure a peace treaty with the British. Negotiations begin with Britain.
1781: Britain agrees to a peace treaty ceding all North American colonies except Newfoundland and some minor Carribean colonies. The Loyalists begin settling in Australia.
1786: The Constitutioanal Convention begins in Philadelphia. The constitution is mostly similar to OTL.
1788: All 15 states have by now accepted the Constitution. George Washington is elected first President and inagurated in New York.
1790: Construction on the new US capital in Delaware begins it's named Washington (like OTL)
So what do you think?
 
Part 2
1791: Vermont joins the US as the 17th state
1792: George Washington is reelected President. Kentucky joins the Union
1795: Franklin joins the Union becoming the 19th state
1796: John Adams is elected US president and by now the Federalists (led by Adams and Hamilton) and the Democrat-Republicans (led by Jefferson) are firmly established.
1799: Britain goes to war with France (In TTL still a monarchy after a failure of the Revolution). America tacitly supports Britain leading to a quasi-war with France. Washington DC is completed in Delaware and Adams moves to that city
1800: Thomas Jefferson is elected President in response to the Quasi-War
1801: Ohio joins the Union as the 20th state.
1803: Panic about France leads to unoffical renewal of the Quasi-War
1804: In response to the Quasi-War Alexander Hamilton is elected President.
1805: The Franco-American War begins between the US and France. Using this excuse the US conquers Louisiana Territory controlled by Spain an ally of France and French New Orleans.
1806-1808: The war drags on bloodily as it quickly becomes a stalemate. A large US expeditonary force is conquers Texas but fails to conquer the Southwest.
1808: James Madison is elected President as the Franco-American War becomes unpopular
1809: Madison negotiates a peace treaty with France keeping control of New Orleans and also negotiates a treaty with Spain gaining Louisiana and Texas.
1812: Madison skillfully prevents a war with Britain resulting in a great victory for him in November. Louisiana enters the Union
1814: Washington (Indiana with parts of OTL Illinois) joins the Union. Disputes with Britatin rise when several hundred milita men land in Newfoundland attempting to capture it.
 
Okay, lets see.

ARW: United States quickly rushes into Halifax and secures Nova Scotia, as well as setting its northern border with Canada at the St. Lawrence river.

1803: Louisiana Purchase (OTL)

1812: United States sits out the Napoleonic war, although the Monroe Doctrine is issued; little is thought of this at the time. Conceding to US demands, the UK agrees to stop supporting Indians against the United States and to end impressment.

1836: Santa Anna, Generalissimo of Mexico, attempts to centralize power--provoking a secession attempt of Texas and a few other Mexican states. Unlike OTL, the United States quickly supports Texas (although not going so far as to declare war against Mexico). This results in a low intensity "Texan War"

1838: Texas is admitted to the United States--the Texan war has become a flashpoint between Mexico and the United States. Mexico breaks all diplomatic ties to the United States. As the conflict continues, the United States begins to mobilze against Mexico.

1839: Second Battle of the Alamo inside Texan territory results in a full scale war against Mexico.

1843: After four years of fighting, the Mexican Government collapses without a peace treaty--and the Mexican State largely dissolves as a result. Successfully in control of most of Mexico, the United States appoints Winfield Scott the first administrator of Mexico. Negotiations will ultimately lead to a much larger annexation than OTL, including all of Baja California, Sonora, and Chihuha, and a large swath of territory further south. Mexico proper is placed under a system of US government administrators until the Mexican Citizenship act of 1868 dissolves the governor system and simply grants US citizenship to former Mexicans.

1857: An Obstinate United Kingdom is finally forced to recognize that they can not hold Oregon Territory against the wishes of its people. Previously demanding the Columbia river as its Southern border, American Immigration into the region simply overwhelmed the numbers of British nationals in the area. By this late point, even Vancouver Island has become mostly American. The US government agrees to pay the United Kingdom a large sum for ending the dispute, and allows the UK to keep Fort Simpson on the Pacific Coast as a major port. Its a rough bargain for the United Kingdom, but at least the United Kingdom gets something for its efforts--questions still remain on whether the UK could have accepted a more moderate offer earlier...

1865: The election of President Abraham Lincoln over political rival Stephen Douglas results in the secession of the Southern United States. Crucially, Virginia declares Neutrality in the conflict while Tenneesse and Kentucky become the major flashpoints for the conflict. Over the course of the war, Lincoln comes to the conclusion that racism, as much as slavery, are the grounds for the conflict.

1871: The US Civil War is over, but the reconstruction is going to have a very different flavor. In order to withdraw federal troops from Mexico, the United States had to grant the rights of citizenship to non-white Mexicans; furthermore, horrific anti-black atrocities are being perpetuated in the defeated Confederate States. It will be a painful road to travel, but reconstruction doesn't simply rebuild the Cotton plantations, it reduces extreme racism from mainstream to a fringe belief. If nothing else, the former Mexicans demand rights as citizens and provide the critical leverage to keep Jim Crow on the sidelines.

1898: Restive Cuba attempts to rebel against its Spanish overlords. This time, the United States decides to act. After a quick campaign, Cuba is made a protectorate of the United States, though with the same rules as the Mexican Act decades before. The Phillipines are allowed to become independent--but this simply means that first Germany and then Japan will take over as colonial overlord.

1915: The April 15th incident triggers what will become a General War in Europe and around the world--except for the United States, which responds by building a navy to safeguard its merchant marine. Abuses by both the UK and Germany leave little desire for the United States to enter this conflict, which results in a German-Austrian-Ottoman Victory at the Expense of Italy, France and Russia. Vladimir Ustinov's Union of Worker's Socialist Republics will emerge as the rise of the Communists, while French "National Actionalism" emerges as a competing right-wing ideology.

1942: World War 2 begins--A Soviet-French-Italian alliance attempts to defeat a moderately democratic Central Europe, while Japan bogs into a decades long war against China. The UK, taking a page from the USA's successes, decides to sit out the war.

1947: World War 2 Ends--Germany and Central Europe are Crushed and partitoned between "Una Europe Allemande" in the West and a "Greater Liberation" in the East, which a border drawn between what used to be Germany. The United States and UK respond by formalizing an alliance to protect themselves from aggression.

1974: World War 3 Begins, as Soviet Chairman Dmitri Bordenko and French President Pierre Laval have lost control over former "Slavonia"

November 14th, 1974: The Day of Disaster. Although eight tactical nuclear weapons have already been deployed in this conflict, the loss of the Ruhr industrial area is something that Actionist France can not accept. Over 1.5 Gigatons of nuclear explosives devastate Europe, as well as China, Japan, India and Baluchistan, which had all taken sides in the conflict.

Although the United Kingdom is not hit by a single nuclear attack, it fares very poorly due to radioactive fallout, which kills as many as 800,000 on the Island in the first year.

All Eyes now turn to the United States, now the largest food producer in the world and entirely undamaged in the conflict. Tens of millions of immigrants flee burning Europe and Asia to seek refuge in the United States. A poisoned United Kingdom enters a special relationship with the United States politically to secure the food they need to avoid widescale famine. A ruined Japan in far worse shape simply begs the United States to be admitted as a territory--largely because the alternative is simply to remain impoverished for at least a century.

1975: The United States is now the most numerous Catholic country in the world. With the full consent of US President Nelson, the Vatican is established in Puerto Rico

2008: Although the United States had originally desired to leave the world well enough alone, it is because of the United States that the world has been able to recover as much as it has from the third world war--and there is the hope that with its active involvement, a fourth war will never happen. With De Facto control over much of Eastern Asia, incorporation of the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Iceland into the United States, and nothing less than either puppet regimes or outright territories emerging in devastated Europe, the United States has won the world.
 
Possible Ameriwank ?????

1775 - Instead of making a right hand turn after capturing Montreal, Montgomery meets up with Arnold and takes Ft. Niagara. NE Indians are neutralized. Patriots eventually loose Montreal but keep onto to Ft. Niagara in the British counter offensive where Montgomery perishes in the heroic defense of the fort.

1779 or 1780 - George Rogers Clark and an expedition from Ft. Niagara take Ft. Detroit.

1783 - Peace of Paris US gets all land OTL plus what is considered Upper Canada

1793 - Jay treaty with Brits

1803 - Lou purchase same as OTL, second treaty with Brits, not as good as Jay

1807 - NO EMBARGO ACT by Jefferson. Instead acts of preparedness are passed which improve the Navy, defenses, and internal improvements.

1812 - No war of 1812 (or if a war US joins Brit alliance to team up on France and take WI possessions)

1813 - Brits stop impressment, third trade traty with Brits that is a little better than 1803.

1818 - Instead of swapping land, US buys Red River area. British trappers are still allowed to trap furs as long as land not developed but it is US territory to develop and settle. US still maintains silk river territory.

1832 - No nullification crisis as the tariffs are set to be lower. North is aided by more internal improvements to make goods competitive with Europe.

1836 - Texas is immediately admitted into the Union after Independence, there is no hold up in Congress to balance slave and free.

1838 - Admission of Texas leads to war with Mexico. Same outcome as OTL. Same territory is taken in treaty.

1842 - US obtains California and NM after war with Mexico is over

1838 - Aroostook - US offers to purchase disputed area, make St John river the boundary. US also allows British to military access upon request to the purchased area as relations between the two countries have been good since 1783. Or the OTL border is agreed upon without any bickering as both sides do not see a few square miles of trees to damage the good relations.

1846 or sooner - Oregon - Good relations with US and Britain bring about a better Oregon situation. Brits still desire a Pacific coast outlet, still desire what is now BC. 49th parallel to the sea and across Vancouver island. US to pay for any British improvements (ft Vancouver and Victoria) in the acquired area and visa versa.

1853 or sooner - Gadsden treaty - US buys all of Sonora, Chihuahua, and Baja (these three areas are either purchased at this time or they were apart of the treaty ending the Mexico war)

Cuba - Could the US acquire Cuba in 1819 or in the 1830's to 1850's. Yes it could be acquired through a war that Jackson touches off in 1819 while chasing the Seminoles or through purchase. But is the US does obtain Cuba earlier in the 1800's there is no SpanAm War in 1898 and US does not obtain Phil. Cuba could be allowed to come into the Union the same way that Texas did, to balance the states. But I prefer to have it become US in 1898

Civil War - Could happen as early as 10 years after Mexican war, early 1850's. North still wins. Generals are different since Mexico war is fought earlier and this war is earlier. No chance for British intervention as the Brits and US have had an awesome relationship since 1793 (Jay treaty). But it still takes a few years to dominate the South as the South still displays better generals in the Eastern theater.

1860's - US buys Alaska from Russia, follow up by buying Yukon from Brits, purchase both Greenland and Virgin Islands from Danes

SpanAm war - same as otl, year may be sooner, but something happens to US forces to spark the war.

WWI - US does not directly enter in 1914 but is heavily on the allied side due to excellent relations with Britain. US enters after Lusitania is struck in 1915.

Bush still elected president to make this not too much of an Ameriwank
 
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