UK Politics after 1940 Peace with Hitler

Say Westminster makes a white peace with Hitler immediately after Dunkirk.

What are the long term effects on British Party Politics Post-War? (alliteration :cool:)

Does Churchill eventually lose the premiership?
 
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Say Westminster makes a white peace with Hitler immediately after Dunkirk.

What are the long term effects on British Party Politics Post-War? (alliteration :cool:)

Does Churchill still eventually get the premiership? If not him, who else?

Churchill was PM at the time of Dunkirk...
 
Say Westminster makes a white peace with Hitler immediately after Dunkirk.

What are the long term effects on British Party Politics Post-War? (alliteration :cool:)

Does Churchill eventually lose the premiership?


Rapid diminshment of the UK's influence (even more than OTL since they cant piggy-back on the US). The dominions (particularly Canada, Australia and New Zealand) seek defense agreements and increased trade relations with the US (Fortress North America will be put into effect), so expect the Commonwealth Office to be a mess. It will certainly be an all around humiliating experience for everyone in the UK.
 
Stalin's nightmares become a reality. To justify the new relations, the Soviets become the bad guys. Commercial relations between Germany and the commonwealth resume. Hitler has a free hand to deal with the soviets.

This means a boost for right wing and fascist ideas in Britain.
 
The peace would be pretty favorable to Britain keeping her Empire for longer, because it means them not mortgaging it to pay for the war and no war with Japan as well and Britain will get back the BEF in short order.

By the same token Germany has enough troops to toss East that with international markets open they are going to get most of Eastern Europe and some of Russia as well, but certainly not to the Urals. If Moscow and Leningrad hold in 41 which isn't a given then the USSR survives the war. If they don't then there is some chance it might not.

The seeds are set for the next war while Hitler bankrupts himself spending and building his grand capital which probably explodes in the 50s between a rump USSR and Germany.

Germany could go two ways after Hitler is gone. Either it devolving into a more regular dictatorship like the USSR and China did or going hyper Totalitarian.
 
If you haven't read it, look at FletcherofSaltoun's Halifax
https://www.alternatehistory.com/discussion/showthread.php?t=135299

Yes, the Halifax thread was good, also Tom Colton's Weber's Germany has a 1940 peace, though the POD is further back with different Nazi leadership.

Strategically and for long-term geopolitics I think negotiations (in equally bad faith on the British side to that of the Nazis - maximise advantages and prepare for round 2) could actually be quite good for Britain. It gains time for more re-armament and organisation of defences, and Germany can't enforce unacceptable conditions on Britain - the response to any attempt to do so is just 'OK, let's carry on then', and Britain is no worse off.

On the other hand, the short-term political fallout will be bad, probably leading to popular disapproval, loss of confidence in the government, perhaps a more isolationist USA. There will probably be a general election, perhaps a Labour government, which won't make much practical difference, as Atlee and his ministers will still be implacably anti-Nazi.

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Another factor is that Britain has quite big potential technical leads in some areas in 1940, though they probably don't realise it - radar, jet engines, even nuclear weapons, with the MAUD report. In some ways, all they have to do is build a bomb and a plane to deliver it, both available c. 1947.

The cessation of the U-boat campaign also probably helps Britain a lot more than the cessation of the blockade helps Germany.
 
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