UK Personal Unions?

Hey Guys,

Just a little side project for anyone out there who's bored or likes to do Dynasties.

Can you think of any marriages that could occur through George II or George IIIs children and another monarch/heir to create a personal union of the United Kingdom and another country? Or maybe it's accidental, say marry a monarch of to someone, the heir dies and that person become monarch or something.

Not ASB or anything, a genuine reason is needed or something :)

Sorry I'm obsessed with personal unions.

Anyway go! :)
 
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Personal unions are cool. However, the specific rule of it being with George III's children limits this somewhat. Since he had so many sons, it's highly dubious that they would all die leaving one of his daughters to inherit (even IRL Victoria only came to the throne as daughter to a son of George III) so you'd have to look for females to match up with. This pretty much restricts you to...well, uh. Not many places, unless you start liberally killing off foreign royals too.

But aside from that, if you're willing to go the distance and bend the TL to suit your needs, you can essentially engineer a PU with any protestant German state, Denmark quite easily, Sweden not quite so easily, or a minor Catholic state (probably German in this case) since a major Catholic state would kick up all kinds of a fuss over union with a Protestant country via a Protestant family.
 
Does it have to be George III? If George II died early enough on Fredrick the Great of Prussia would have inherited the throne of Britain.
 
England was long in personal union with the Electorate (and later the Kingdom) of Hanover.

Also, William III was Stadtholder before becoming King; maybe let him stay as both?

EDIT: Somehow I skimmed over "George III"
 
Hehe yeah sure it doesn't have to be George III, It can be from George II as well :) Or really anything within that sort of time period.
 
Well, George IV's daughter Charlotte was supposed to marry Hereditary Prince William of Orange IOTL, but he made a spectacle of himself at Ascot, and she ran off to her mother's house, refusing to come back to the Palace until he'd buggered off. Potential for a government-approved Anglo-Dutch union there.
 
Also, William III was Stadtholder before becoming King; maybe let him stay as both?
He did stay. However, after his death the Dutch abolished the Stadtholdership (temporarily), and the British gave the throne to Anne Stuart (so, even if William's son would inherit the Stadtholdership, he wouldn't be the King of the three British states).
 
He did stay. However, after his death the Dutch abolished the Stadtholdership (temporarily), and the British gave the throne to Anne Stuart (so, even if William's son would inherit the Stadtholdership, he wouldn't be the King of the three British states).

If William III would have had a son, he would have inherited the British throne (certainly if it was a son by Mary). If that son would have become stadholder, I am less certain, but i think he would. Although I think that after a while the personal union would be broken, as I don't think that the Dutch want a Englishman as stadholder (William III was still Dutch, but after a while the Dutch kings would become English kings).
 
How about this: United Kingdoms of Sweden and Norway and United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland?

It begins after the English Wars end. Norway is ceded to Sweden who's Britain's ally in the war. Oscar of Sweden & Norway is betrothed to Princess Charlotte for some reason. This leads to a strong union between the two nations.

ASB or possible?
 
Also, William III was Stadtholder before becoming King; maybe let him stay as both?

Would have to be a child of his by Mary; otherwise Anne inheirits the throne. Also, need to find a way that the dutch would keep the office of statholder, and be amenable to a continued personal union.

Maybe if one of Anne's children survives to succeed her, we could see some dynastic marriages? Or if Christian V of Denmark were to die childless, then his oldest surviving brother would be Prince George, Prince Consort of the United Kingdom. Then, maybe if butterflies ensure the decent health of William, Duke of Gloucester...
 
Would have to be a child of his by Mary; otherwise Anne inheirits the throne. Also, need to find a way that the dutch would keep the office of statholder, and be amenable to a continued personal union.

Actually doesn't necessarily need to be a child of his by Mary. While Anne would still be the heir of William and Mary, if William had a child by a later marriage after Mary's death this child would become Anne's heir if she doesn't have surviving children as ITTL. So you still have a possibility of union with the Netherlands even without Mary having children.
 
Also, need to find a way that the dutch would keep the office of statholder, and be amenable to a continued personal union.

The Dutch (actually the province of Holland and a couple of others) got rid of th stadholder twice. Both because the succession wasn't clear. Once when Willem II died and his son Willem/William III wasn't born (or just born) and once when Willem III died and left no sons. So I think that if William III left a clear successor, Holland (with a little English pressur) would choose him as the next stadholder. Although I must admit that he would probably the last English stadholder, certainly if there is another clear choice (either he has two sons, one becoming the king of England the other stadholder of Holland etc. or they just choose the Frisian stadholder like OTL).

BTW about children of William III but not from Mary. I thought that William had his own claim to the English throne and was an actual king of England. Why exactly wouldn't his children succeed him as king? I would understand it if Anne became queen after Mary died, but she only became queen after William died. Could someone explain that to me?
 
Actually doesn't necessarily need to be a child of his by Mary. While Anne would still be the heir of William and Mary, if William had a child by a later marriage after Mary's death this child would become Anne's heir if she doesn't have surviving children as ITTL. So you still have a possibility of union with the Netherlands even without Mary having children.

But this requires finding another bride for William, his fathering children, and all of Anne's dying as per otl. While this does raise the possibility of a union with the Netherlands, it seems to me that, in general, it is easier to get a personal union through one of Anne's children.

The Dutch (actually the province of Holland and a couple of others) got rid of th stadholder twice. Both because the succession wasn't clear. Once when Willem II died and his son Willem/William III wasn't born (or just born) and once when Willem III died and left no sons. So I think that if William III left a clear successor, Holland (with a little English pressur) would choose him as the next stadholder. Although I must admit that he would probably the last English stadholder, certainly if there is another clear choice (either he has two sons, one becoming the king of England the other stadholder of Holland etc. or they just choose the Frisian stadholder like OTL).

Agreed. With one son surviving to adulthood (or just outliving the father), the dutch are more likely to keep the office of stadholder, I'm not so sure if they would jump at the prospect of a continued union. To certain parties this would signify the loss of too much independence...

BTW about children of William III but not from Mary. I thought that William had his own claim to the English throne and was an actual king of England. Why exactly wouldn't his children succeed him as king? I would understand it if Anne became queen after Mary died, but she only became queen after William died. Could someone explain that to me?

William does have a claim on the throne, but it is secondary to Anne's. Anne is the younger daughter of James II; William;s claim comes from his mother being a daughter of Charles I. As for the issue of rule and succession, it all goes back to the aftermath of the glorious revolution. There was some dispute over who, and in what capacity, should succeed to the throne, so in the end, after a row with the Lords, William and Mary were crowned co-rulers. However, since William's most direct claim on the throne was as the consort of Mary, Mary's children also take precendence. This is actually specifically laid out in the Bill of Rights; Mary's heirs have the first claim on the throne, followed by her sister Anne and her children, and then to William and his children not also children of Mary, as the only child of Mary, Princess Royal (Charles I's eldest daughter).
 
George IV was married to Caroline of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel. If her brother Frederick William is killed in the Napoleonic Wars (quite likely, he was a Field-Marshall at the battle where his father was killed) and his son dies (also a possibility, born 1804), then through her George IV becomes Duke, thus reuniting all the lands of the former Principality of Brunswick-Luneburg.
 
George IV was married to Caroline of Brunswick-Wolfenbüttel. If her brother Frederick William is killed in the Napoleonic Wars (quite likely, he was a Field-Marshall at the battle where his father was killed) and his son dies (also a possibility, born 1804), then through her George IV becomes Duke, thus reuniting all the lands of the former Principality of Brunswick-Luneburg.

Would that make Hannover be Brunswick again? That would be great, Brunswick is a far cooler name than Hannover, certainly the German name Braunschweig.
 

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Would that make Hannover be Brunswick again? That would be great, Brunswick is a far cooler name than Hannover, certainly the German name Braunschweig.

Actually, until the creation of the Kingdom of Hannover, Hannover was officially the Electorate of Brunswick-Luneburg, even though commonly called the Electorate of Hannover... as soon as the Kingdom is created I think thats not a possibility anymore, though...

And yes, its possible for an alter-Frederick the Great (hed have to be born after the PoD, IIRC, so an "ATL Brother") to become King of the UK. I always liked that scenario... though if that *Frederick is like the IOTL version, and he manages to flee ITTL to England, I can just see the Soldier King altering the sucession (legally he cant without consent of the Emperor, but I dont think hed care about those legalities)...
 
Would that make Hannover be Brunswick again? That would be great, Brunswick is a far cooler name than Hannover, certainly the German name Braunschweig.

As Susano wrote, it would remain Hanover. In my CoHE TL this happens in the 1830's under William IV (here the son of George IV). William does, however adopt the name Welf-Este for the royal house and decrees it to be the surname of all future born male line descendants of George III not bearing the title Prince/Princess in Great Britain.
 

Susano

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As Susano wrote, it would remain Hanover. In my CoHE TL this happens in the 1830's under William IV (here the son of George IV). William does, however adopt the name Welf-Este for the royal house and decrees it to be the surname of all future born male line descendants of George III not bearing the title Prince/Princess in Great Britain.

Well, now, thats quite retro, in fact, going back entire 800 years! Hence, I like it :D This long history and the fact that are de facto two so unrelated lines of thse house are two of the things that make the Welfs so cool. Modena really shouldve fallen to them, and not Habsburg ;)
 
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