UK-French Special Relationship after 1956?

Wolfpaw

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Nasser probably gets taken down in a palace coup. The Canal Zone will be occupied by a UN Peacekeeping force in the long-term. The question is who will be manning it. Not France, so probably a Commonwealth force. ANZUK, maybe even Canadians as per OTL.
 

abc123

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Nasser probably gets taken down in a palace coup. The Canal Zone will be occupied by a UN Peacekeeping force in the long-term. The question is who will be manning it. Not France, so probably a Commonwealth force. ANZUK, maybe even Canadians as per OTL.

If Nasser get's down, who would replace him? Nagub? Sadat?

About international force, not France, not UK, so some mixture of forces from neutral states, but choosing the states would be the harder part.
 

Wolfpaw

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If Nasser get's down, who would replace him? Nagub? Sadat?

About international force, not France, not UK, so some mixture of forces from neutral states, but choosing the states would be the harder part.
The money's on Naguib; he was actually waiting in the wings alongside some pashas to form a friendly government.

Again, some CANZ force would likely be posted there. MEC in Cyprus gets beefed up.
 

abc123

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Again, some CANZ force would likely be posted there. MEC in Cyprus gets beefed up.

The trouble with CANZ force is that Egypt will see ANZ as minions of Britain, while Britain could see Canada as not quite good member of Commonwealth, because they were not on their side in conflict. So, some other countries are nescesarry. Say Sweden, some Latin American country and some Asian country.
 

Wolfpaw

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The trouble with CANZ force is that Egypt will see ANZ as minions of Britain, while Britain could see Canada as not quite good member of Commonwealth, because they were not on their side in conflict. So, some other countries are nescesarry. Say Sweden, some Latin American country and some Asian country.
IOTL it was Brazil, Canada, Colombia, Denmark, Finland, India, Indonesia, Norway, Poland, Sweden, and Yugoslavia with the US, Italy, and Switzerland providing support.
 

abc123

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IOTL it was Brazil, Canada, Colombia, Denmark, Finland, India, Indonesia, Norway, Poland, Sweden, and Yugoslavia with the US, Italy, and Switzerland providing support.

It seems fine, just add Australia and New Zealand, as counterweight to India and Yugoslavia and it's fine.
 

Wolfpaw

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It seems fine, just add Australia and New Zealand, as counterweight to India and Yugoslavia and it's fine.
How would all of this effect Britain's policies in Kenya? Would we see more ANZ action in the Commonwealth? Perhaps stationed in Iraq. Would the South Cameroons still opt for Cameroon over Nigeria if the Brits are in the latter longer? And a non-Macmillan government likely headed by Butler will be a lot more supportive of Rhodesia ITTL.
 

abc123

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How would all of this effect Britain's policies in Kenya? Would we see more ANZ action in the Commonwealth? Perhaps stationed in Iraq. Would the South Cameroons still opt for Cameroon over Nigeria if the Brits are in the latter longer? And a non-Macmillan government likely headed by Butler will be a lot more supportive of Rhodesia ITTL.

Well, maybe not more supportive of Rhodesia, but maybe more trying to find some solution that is acceptable to white minority from the start. Or, if unacceptable, maybe more willing to intervene there after UDI and take things in their hands and enforce solution.

About Kenya, I don't know. British troops in Zanzibar? No Tanzania?

About Iraq, no I don't think so. But maybe Kuvait, Bahrein, Oman, UAE...

About Cameroon, I dont know much about that.
 
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Is it obvious that there would have been an Algerian Crisis, or at least one that was anything like the one IOTL? One of the motivations for France to be involved with Suez was that (the French believed that) Nasser was supporting the FLN.
If Suez was successful, and Nasser fell from power, then the new Egyptian government would presumably have been, if not friendly to the French, at least not so inclined to support anti-French causes.
With less external support for the FLN, perhaps the French military are (relatively) more successful at suppressing the uprising... perhaps not sufficiently to defeat it entirely, but perhaps force a cease-fire? or at least keep it under control sufficiently that the military believe they are able to keep it under control and don’t blame the French government so much for selling them out.
 

abc123

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Is it obvious that there would have been an Algerian Crisis, or at least one that was anything like the one IOTL? One of the motivations for France to be involved with Suez was that (the French believed that) Nasser was supporting the FLN.
If Suez was successful, and Nasser fell from power, then the new Egyptian government would presumably have been, if not friendly to the French, at least not so inclined to support anti-French causes.
With less external support for the FLN, perhaps the French military are (relatively) more successful at suppressing the uprising... perhaps not sufficiently to defeat it entirely, but perhaps force a cease-fire? or at least keep it under control sufficiently that the military believe they are able to keep it under control and don’t blame the French government so much for selling them out.

Maybe, alltrough Egypt wasn't the only source of aid for FLN.
The trouble is that France ITTL will be somewhat stronger, but not strong enough to stay in Algeria indefinitly...
 

Wolfpaw

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Maybe, alltrough Egypt wasn't the only source of aid for FLN.
The trouble is that France ITTL will be somewhat stronger, but not strong enough to stay in Algeria indefinitly...
French intervention in Suez really doesn't do a single thing to help them in Algeria. The Algerians will still find ways to get weaponry; maybe they sell more heroin. We may even see Algeria try to become the new "Arab Nationalist" power if Nasser is knocked out and Syria starts suckling at the Soviet teat.
 
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