UCS Clarification Conference

Stateless

I've always felt that the USSR and Nazi Germany should keep Russia and Germany's normal UCS colours: as a result, we should press on with finishing the HPCS and denote political systen changes (monarchy to communism and democratic to national socialist/fascist) in dedicated HPCS maps.

Also, in addition to those listed by Iori, I think the UN should have a colour (most likely the blue of the UN-flag), to denote times when the UN is administering a country, region, as they did in Eastern Slavonia, Baranja and Western Sirmium, West New Guinea, Cambodia, Kosovo and East Timor. But it's a very minor thing.
 

Morgan Hauser

Since we're discussing the UCS, here's an idea I've been toying around with. Since many of the European UCS colours are based on those of the country's traditional military uniforms, I thought about replacing the German grey with actual Feldgrau.

So like this:

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As opposed to this:

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It has the added benefit of leaving open the use of several variants of grey for other (alternate) countries such as the Confederate States. The current type of grey is I think much more distinctive however, and the one I favor in hindsight. It makes the country more easily identifiable on a given map, something that should be held in mind as Germany is among the countries most often included in ATLs.
 
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Ofaloaf

Iori said:
Oh I get, and support seperate colors for Russia/USSR and China, but I meant like say Angola or Vietnam or any other non-power.
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I wasn't aware that Angola had a communist-only color variant. Vietnam I can almost understand since it was divided in two for over a decade, but simply marking the north as a Soviet or joint Soviet/PRC puppet depending on one's opinion of the matter should suffice there.
 
Lord Insane

Lord Insane

Prussia, certainly. If nothing else, it would be fairly useful to not have to switch colours for Germany just because Prussia isn't entirely a part (that, and if East Germany necessarily must have colour, instead of inheriting the HRE colour it can inherit the Prussian colour).
 

Susano

Banned
LordInsane said:
Prussia, certainly. If nothing else, it would be fairly useful to not have to switch colours for Germany just because Prussia isn't entirely a part (that, and if East Germany necessarily must have colour, instead of inheriting the HRE colour it can inherit the Prussian colour).
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Well, UCS Grey for Modern Germany is also derived from Prussia. I agree that even more ideally, there should be an own colour spanning Franks*-East Frankish Realm-German Kingdom-(Holy) Roman Empire (of the German Nation), if they single states arent shown-German Confederation (maybe its border-outline?)-North German Confederation (though arguable the Prussian colour makes more sense here)-German Empire-etc.

*see my usual arguments of why Germany is the truer successor to the Frankish Realm than France. ;)
 

Chris S

Well, perhaps if Prussia is given a colour then the German Empire would be given Prussia's colour (due to the way in which the German Empire formed) and then following WWI Germany would switch to grey or field grey.

That would make it too complicated I think, plus there would be the slight problem of Prussian blue and French blue bordering each other in many maps......
 

Susano

Banned
Chris S said:
Well, perhaps if Prussia is given a colour then the German Empire would be given Prussia's colour (due to the way in which the German Empire formed) and then following WWI Germany would switch to grey or field grey.

That would make it too complicated I think, plus there would be the slight problem of Prussian blue and French blue bordering each other in many maps......
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The modern German Empire was founded by Prussia. Older incarnations of Germany of course not, and thats the problem. Ideally, there should be a colour continuity. And maybe one not dependent on Prussia, but of course theres the question then what else colour... maybe yellow due to the HRE flag of the Black Eagle on Gold?
 
Lord Insane

Lord Insane

That might work. As an aside, there is also another reason for having Germany's colour not be Prussia-derived - we are supposed to account for alternate possibilities as well, and a Germany united/kept united by another state than Prussia is quite possible, and does happen every now and then on maps.
 

Susano

Banned
LordInsane said:
That might work. As an aside, there is also another reason for having Germany's colour not be Prussia-derived - we are supposed to account for alternate possibilities as well, and a Germany united/kept united by another state than Prussia is quite possible, and does happen every now and then on maps.
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Yeah, if it werent for that, I would have said make Germany blue, that looks better than yellow - but youre right, we need to account for those alternatives.
 
Thande

Thande

Donor
Odysseus said:
Norway Color Proposal:
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That works for me. I think a very similar one was proposed a while back but rejected because that shade was too close to Egypt's - this isn't.

Re Germany, this may be excessive, but how about colours for the chief German states - Prussia, Saxony, Bavaria, Austria and maybe one more - and if those states unite Germany, Germany inherits their colour - plus one more colour for a Germany created without amalgamating around one country.

Alternatively, create a separate colour for Prussia and have the colour change in 1871 on the formation of the German Empire (for OTL, that is) to the existing grey German one - so Germany replaces the preceding states rather than deriving from one of them.
 
Iori

Iori

Ofaloaf said:
I wasn't aware that Angola had a communist-only color variant. Vietnam I can almost understand since it was divided in two for over a decade, but simply marking the north as a Soviet or joint Soviet/PRC puppet depending on one's opinion of the matter should suffice there.
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They don't (well, Vietnam does have a normal color sometimes), I was meaning though that their's no need to stripe countries to show their communist, as that can either be explained in the Map Explanation or through the country name.
 

Helios Ra

My non-huge suggestion: :rolleyes:

1. Covers the existance of Somaliland and similar states which are largely unrecognized, but are de facto idependent. (Yes, the Sahrawi borders are wrong. I copy pasted this and forgot to fix it.)
2. A new way to denote personal unions rather than the darker-shade system that I don't think is ever really used.
3. Basically this is just layering the Soviet color over other country's colors. It could be reserved for whatever the major head-communist type country, not for any state that happens to be communist.
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Thande said:
Re Germany, this may be excessive, but how about colours for the chief German states - Prussia, Saxony, Bavaria, Austria and maybe one more - and if those states unite Germany, Germany inherits their colour - plus one more colour for a Germany created without amalgamating around one country.

Alternatively, create a separate colour for Prussia and have the colour change in 1871 on the formation of the German Empire (for OTL, that is) to the existing grey German one - so Germany replaces the preceding states rather than deriving from one of them.
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I think the first is a better proposal. It makes the map more informative.


RE Norway: I think it should be a shade of blue, even if that is a color slightly over-represented on the UCS.

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Iori

Iori

I'd like to suggest this for a new Norway color, it keeps the blue, but uses a shade that's stil unique.

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Thande

Thande

Donor
Xwarq said:
NNOOOooo. NOOOOoooo. NOOOOooo.

This is the best:
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That is the aforementioned Stupid Colour That Looks Identical To The USA's Even When They're Right Next To Each Other.

Iori's suggestion is OK if we want to keep it a bluish/tealish colour but I'd rather move some of the shades of blue out of Europe.
 

Zuvarq

Thande said:
That is the aforementioned Stupid Colour That Looks Identical To The USA's Even When They're Right Next To Each Other.

Iori's suggestion is OK if we want to keep it a bluish/tealish colour but I'd rather move some of the shades of blue out of Europe.
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No it's not. That's a different color.

If you colored Canada with this color it would be really easy to tell the difference.

EDIT: The color could be a bit lighter though.
 

Helios Ra

Thande said:
That is the aforementioned Stupid Colour That Looks Identical To The USA's Even When They're Right Next To Each Other.

Iori's suggestion is OK if we want to keep it a bluish/tealish colour but I'd rather move some of the shades of blue out of Europe.
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Blue is the Nordic color though.
Serbia's blue is a little too close to Romania's if you ask me. What about getting rid of one or both?
 
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