Two Lions and a Castle

Matilda(Maude) gives birth to a healthy son to Henry V, Holy Roman Emperor named Henry who inherits Britain and the Holy Roman Empire and becomes known as Henry V, the Holy Roman Emperor.
Alienor of Aquitaine has two daughters with Louis VII of France named Alix and Marie, Alienor meets Sancho III in a Pilgrimage with Louis VII and falls in love with him, Alienor divorces Louis VII of France in 1152 and marries Sancho III of Castile.
Sancho III of Castile and Henry VI of Holy Roman Emperor become good friends, Henry VI of Holy Roman Empire marries a french noblewoman.
Sancho III becomes the Emperor of Spain and Aquitaine becomes a part of Spain, Poiters and Toledo become defacto capitals of Spain.
Because of this, Spain is unified earlier and Alienor and her husband’s influence became strong in the Meditereanean and the Atlantic, Sancho III becomes the Emperor of Spain and has Alienor as his empress consort, Alienor names her first son Raimon and her second Joan.
Meanwhile, Emperor Henry V, Holy Roman Emperor was on a dispute which caused a war against King Louis VII which resulted in England and Normandy be conquered by France in 1160.
Alienor becomes a very powerful woman in Europe because of her influence,
Alienor visits Scandanavia in 1165 and there she meets a person with the knowledge about Vinland, there she meets Erik, a Scandanavian who knows about Vinland and she funded the expedition to Vinland and at last Erik goes to Vinland and claims it for Alienor and Sancho III, Vinland becomes known as Vinterra.
Raimon the son of Alienor and Sancho III inherit their vast lands and becomes the Emperor of Spain and even Vinland or Vinterra and aids the cathar crusade of Simon Montfort and the battle of Muret which resulted in victory and caused the death of the Raimon the Count of Toulouse and the death of Peter II of Aragon and all of the lands south of Rhone and Loire are under the Emperador Raimon of Spain and all of the lords there are his vassal although he treats the Holy Roman Emperor as his overlord as well, Marseille becomes the center of administration of Spain and naturally the dominant language of Spain became Occitan in 1220 and Emperador Raimon invaded the fledgling Kingdom of Portugal and signed a temporary truce with the moors in Al-Andalus in 1225.

The Hapsburgs become powerful and because they absorbed Savoy and Zahringer duchies by allying with Spain in 1230 destroying Savoy and Zahinger that caused the Occitan Valleys becoming a part of Spain, now the Hapsburgs got the Piedmont plains, Aosta, Savoy, Romand and Bern.

Carol Von Hapsburg becomes the Holy Roman Emperor with Spanish backing in 1240.
 
A few questions.

Meanwhile, Emperor Henry V, Holy Roman Emperor was on a dispute which caused a war against King Louis VII which resulted in England and Normandy be conquered by France in 1160.[/quote]

How does a dispute with Henry V of the HRE see England and Normandy conquered by France?

France is going to be busy hoping not to be conquered by Henry, not conquering one of his kingdoms - this Henry is probably stronger than OTL Henry II of England, and that was threat enough.

Alienor becomes a very powerful woman in Europe because of her influence, Alienor visits Scandanavia in 1165 and there she meets a person with the knowledge about Vinland, there she meets Erik, a Scandanavian who knows about Vinland and she funded the expedition to Vinland and at last Erik goes to Vinland and claims it for Alienor and Sancho III...


Eleanor is still "only a woman" and why the heck does she travel to Scandinavia? Or finance an expedition to this "Vinland" place some crazy Scandinavian is babbling about (which is how he'd come across)?

Because of this, Spain is unified earlier and Alienor and her husband’s influence became strong in the Meditereanean and the Atlantic...


So because Sancho is duke of a large and unruly duchy that technically belongs to France as well as King of Castile he unites the kingdoms of Spain? How? War? Sheer prestige?

Raimon the son of Alienor and Sancho III inherit their vast lands and becomes the Emperor of Spain and even Vinland or Vinterra and aids the cathar crusade of Simon Montfort and the battle of Muret which resulted in victory and caused the death of the Raimon the Count of Toulouse and the death of Peter II of Aragon and all of the lands south of Rhone and Loire are under the Emperador Raimon of Spain and all of the lords there are his vassal although he treats the Holy Roman Emperor as his overlord as well, Marseille becomes the center of administration of Spain and naturally the dominant language of Spain became Occitan in 1220 and Emperador Raimon invaded the fledgling Kingdom of Portugal and signed a temporary truce with the moors in Al-Andalus in 1225.


So...no butterflies impacting the Cathar Crusade, despite it being seventy years (or more) after the POD?

The Hapsburgs become powerful and because they absorbed Savoy and Zahringer duchies by allying with Spain in 1230 destroying Savoy and Zahinger that caused the Occitan Valleys becoming a part of Spain, now the Hapsburgs got the Piedmont plains, Aosta, Savoy, Romand and Bern.


How the heck do the Hapsburgs become relevant for Spain to back? Not to mention how does the HRE not do anything about this?

This is kind of interesting, but I think it needs a major rewrite.
 
A few questions.

Meanwhile, Emperor Henry V, Holy Roman Emperor was on a dispute which caused a war against King Louis VII which resulted in England and Normandy be conquered by France in 1160.[/quote]

How does a dispute with Henry V of the HRE see England and Normandy conquered by France?

France is going to be busy hoping not to be conquered by Henry, not conquering one of his kingdoms - this Henry is probably stronger than OTL Henry II of England, and that was threat enough.



Eleanor is still "only a woman" and why the heck does she travel to Scandinavia? Or finance an expedition to this "Vinland" place some crazy Scandinavian is babbling about (which is how he'd come across)?



So because Sancho is duke of a large and unruly duchy that technically belongs to France as well as King of Castile he unites the kingdoms of Spain? How? War? Sheer prestige?



So...no butterflies impacting the Cathar Crusade, despite it being seventy years (or more) after the POD?



How the heck do the Hapsburgs become relevant for Spain to back? Not to mention how does the HRE not do anything about this?

This is kind of interesting, but I think it needs a major rewrite.


I will rewrite this since this is a remake of a canceled TL of Mine, Earlier United Spain
 
Two Lions and a Castle
Matilda(Maude) gives birth to a healthy son to Henry V, Holy Roman Emperor named Henry who inherits Britain and the Holy Roman Empire and becomes known as Henry V, the Holy Roman Emperor.
Alienor of Aquitaine has two daughters with Louis VII of France named Alix and Marie, Alienor meets Sancho III in a Pilgrimage with Louis VII and falls in love with him, Alienor divorces Louis VII of France in 1152 and marries Sancho III of Castile.
Sancho III of Castile and Henry VI of Holy Roman Emperor become good friends, Henry VI of Holy Roman Empire marries a french noblewoman.
Sancho III becomes the Emperor of Spain and Aquitaine becomes a part of Spain, Poiters and Toledo become defacto capitals of Spain.
Because of this, Spain is unified earlier and Alienor and her husband’s influence became strong in the Meditereanean and the Atlantic, Sancho III becomes the Emperor of Spain and has Alienor as his empress consort, Alienor names her first son Raimon and her second Joan and the third a daughter named Maria.
Meanwhile, Emperor Henry V, Holy Roman Emperor was on a dispute which caused a war against King Louis VII, Sancho sided with the HRE which resulted France being a part of the HRE and Aquitaine completely detached from France and everything south and west of the river Loire was annexed to Spain.
Alienor becomes a very powerful woman in Europe because of her influence,
Alienor and Sancho visits Denmark in 1170 in order to meet the king and queen of Denmark and to escort Maria to the prince of denmark and there she meets a person with the knowledge about Vinland, there she meets Erik, a Scandanavian who knows about Vinland and she funded the expedition to Vinland and at last Erik goes to Vinland and claims it for Alienor and Sancho III, Vinland becomes known as Vinterra.
Raimon the son of Alienor and Sancho III inherit their vast lands in 1200 and becomes the Emperor of Spain and even Vinland or Vinterra because of this Raimon seen the crown of Aragon,Navarre and the county of Toulouse as a threat later on when the news regarding the Cathar heresy had been heard he decided to start a crusade against the cathars and uses it as an opportunity to destroy the independent counties in his realm, Poiters becomes the center of administration of Spain and naturally the dominant language of Spain became Occitan in 1220 and Emperador Raimon invaded the fledgling Kingdom of Portugal and signed a temporary truce with the moors in Al-Andalus in 1225.
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Eleanor marrying Sancho might be a good way to do it - Aquitaine may be unruly and technically subordinate to France, but its also rich. So I think the basic idea has some promise if Sancho and Eleanor can be brought together.
This TL is quite boring so don't expect me to update it and put more detail on it much but I will update it, I like a Isabella like Eleanor.

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TWO LIONS AND A CASTLE

Matilda(Maude) gives birth to a healthy son to Henry V, Holy Roman Emperor named Henry who inherits Britain and the Holy Roman Empire and becomes known as Henry V, the Holy Roman Emperor.
Alienor of Aquitaine has two daughters with Louis VII of France named Alix and Marie, Alienor meets Sancho III in a Pilgrimage with Louis VII and falls in love with him, Alienor divorces Louis VII of France in 1152 and marries Sancho III of Castile.



Sancho III of Castile and Henry VI of Holy Roman Emperor become good friends, Henry VI of Holy Roman Empire marries a french noblewoman.
Sancho III becomes the Emperor of Spain and Aquitaine becomes a part of Spain, Peitieus(Poiters) and Toledo become defacto capitals of Spain.
Because of this, Spain is unified earlier and Alienor and her husband’s influence became strong in the Meditereanean and the Atlantic, Sancho III becomes the Emperor of Spain and has Alienor as his empress consort, Alienor names her first son Raimon and her second Joan and the third a daughter named Maria.
Meanwhile, Emperor Henry V, Holy Roman Emperor was on a dispute which caused a war against King Louis VII, Sancho sided with the HRE which resulted France being a part of the HRE and Aquitaine completely detached from France and everything south and west of the river Loire was annexed to Spain.
Alienor had the ambition to crush the moors, she wanted to start a war against the moors and asks Sancho to start a war against the moors.
The troops of Alienor and Sancho III attack the Valencia and surrounding area and expel the moors and many moors were slain they were aided by the christians in valencia thus Valencia was liberated by Alienor and Sancho’s forces.
Alienor becomes a very powerful woman in Europe because of her influence,
Alienor and Sancho visits Denmark in 1170 in order to meet the king and queen of Denmark and to escort Maria to the prince of denmark and there she meets a person with the knowledge about Vinland, there she meets Erik, a Scandanavian who knows about Vinland and she funded the expedition to Vinland and at last Erik goes to Vinland and claims it for Alienor and Sancho III, Vinland becomes known as Vinterra.


 
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People from Spain start to enter Vinterra but with Occitan or lengua lemosina as their language, Peitieus becomes an important port in Spain, but still Alienor is still uncontented she wants to drive the almoravids and their leader Abd al-Mu'min out of Spain she plans to start an Anti-Almohad campaign with Sancho III and asks for the help of the Holy Roman Emperor and the knights Templar.
 
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From Vinterra they expand to the continent of Anahuac(what we now call America) and establish Nova Espanha( on OTL Quebec).
 
Eleanor marrying Sancho might be a good way to do it - Aquitaine may be unruly and technically subordinate to France, but its also rich. So I think the basic idea has some promise if Sancho and Eleanor can be brought together.

And they can use the wealth to colonize..
 
Two Lions and a Castle

Matilda(Maude) gives birth to a healthy son to Henry V, Holy Roman Emperor named Henry who inherits Britain and the Holy Roman Empire and becomes known as Henry V, the Holy Roman Emperor.
Alienor of Aquitaine has two daughters with Louis VII of France named Alix and Marie, Alienor meets Sancho III in a Pilgrimage with Louis VII and falls in love with him, Alienor divorces Louis VII of France in 1152 and marries Sancho III of Castile.


Sancho III of Castile and Henry VI of Holy Roman Emperor become good friends, Henry VI of Holy Roman Empire marries a french noblewoman.
Sancho III becomes the Emperor of Spain and Aquitaine becomes a part of Spain, Peitieus(Poiters) and Toledo become defacto capitals of Spain.
Because of this, Spain is unified earlier and Alienor and her husband’s influence became strong in the Meditereanean and the Atlantic, Sancho III becomes the Emperor of Spain and has Alienor as his empress consort, Alienor names her first son Raimon and her second Joan and the third a daughter named Maria.
Meanwhile, Emperor Henry V, Holy Roman Emperor was on a dispute which caused a war against King Louis VII, Sancho sided with the HRE which resulted France being a part of the HRE and Aquitaine completely detached from France and everything south and west of the river Loire was annexed to Spain.
Alienor had her daughters Marie and Alix married to Spanish nobles and sign a peace pact with her former husband who has a son named Philippe Augustus from his wife, a low profile French Noblewoman.
Alienor had the ambition to crush the moors, she wanted to start a war against the moors and asks Sancho to start a war against the moors.
The troops of Alienor and Sancho III attack the Valencia and surrounding area and expel the moors and many moors were slain they were aided by the christians in valencia thus Valencia was liberated by Alienor and Sancho’s forces.
Alienor becomes a very powerful woman in Europe because of her influence,
Alienor and Sancho visits Denmark in 1170 in order to meet the king and queen of Denmark and to escort Maria to the prince of denmark and there she meets a person with the knowledge about Vinland, there she meets Erik, a Scandanavian who knows about Vinland and she funded the expedition to Vinland and at last Erik goes to Vinland and claims it for Alienor and Sancho III, Vinland becomes known as Vinterra.

People from Spain start to enter Vinterra but with Occitan or lengua lemosina as their language, Peitieus becomes an important port in Spain, but still Alienor is still uncontented she wants to drive the almoravids and their leader Abd al-Mu'min out of Spain she plans to start an Anti-Almohad campaign with Sancho III and asks for the help of the Holy Roman Emperor and the knights Templar.
Alienor and Sancho wants to weed out unfaithful vassals like the counts of Barcelona and Tolosa who controls Provence, County of Tolosa and the County of Barcelona.
From Vinterra they expand to the continent of Anahuac(what we now call America) and establish Nova Espanha( on OTL Quebec), some settlers were sent to Nova Espanha.

Nova Espanha is starting to be fortified, especially in Vinterra which was incorporated to Nova Espanha.
While a war starts to brew in France against England-HRE and Espanha/Spain.
 
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