It is undeniable that Lenin, by suppressing democracy and persecuting peasants, set a precedent for the horrors of Stalinism.
Well there was the wee issue of the Russian civil war that hammered the final nails in the coffin of Russian liberalism.
It is undeniable that Lenin, by suppressing democracy and persecuting peasants, set a precedent for the horrors of Stalinism.
Here's an idea:
It's the 80s. For the last decade or two, small town America has watched in horror as the welfare state is rolled back, the towns get smaller while the cities get bigger, the poor get poorer and the rich get richer, everyone seems obsessed with sex and money, people have forgotten God, forgotten their communities under the alter of Randism, forgotten about the working man. Eventually, it comes to a point, in an era of a suffering working class, skyrocketing crime rates, legalised abortion, mixed with shocking levels of Godlessness in society, that the backlash to Objectivisim comes in both the economic AND cultural form.
The Religious Right take over the Democrats, preaching a Socially Christian-infused idea of Leftism (a New New Deal), praising the virtue of small town America against the socially liberal city-slickers who only care about money. This leads to the re-allignment of a Libertarian Republican Party (a favourite of New England and California) and Populist Democrat Party (popular with flyover counties).
Seems like the best way economically leftist ideas can come back without any taint of Communism or Syndicalism. A uniquely American solution to a uniquely American dilemma.
Well there was the wee issue of the Russian civil war that hammered the final nails in the coffin of Russian liberalism.
Well there was the wee issue of the Russian civil war that hammered the final nails in the coffin of Russian liberalism.
I don't think such a religious revival would go that far.
But who would be the next Huey Long?
Nevertheless, if syndicalism becomes a major political and economic movement in America, the two major parties would be forced to accommodate it.
I think a Second Civil War would be a more realistic possibility.
Capitalism work sure, but first pure capitalism had never ever existed except in theory and while the Great Society greatly improved the welfare state, there were a safe net before but ITTL it has been cutted and so it will remain very little when (and i say when because boom and busts it's how a capitalist system work) the recession happen.
There will be a revolution? Probably not, unless we consider a drastically schift of the electorare, as things can be corrected and as said before when someone is face to face to the prospect of a new depression he try to do everything to stop it and ideology be damned; unfortunely the Great Society not being passed and even the new deal legislation being 'throw away' mean that the general economic and sanitary problem of the minority will be much more severe than OTL creating a much more tense social and political situation even in normal time and when a recession like OTL 2008 will hit things will become worse...and much more violents.
Better remember two things, that the Gilded age was not the most quiet social period and that people when hungry tend to be very irritable...and without program like SNAP there were a lot of hungry people
That must have been a very solemn event: disposing the symbols of a regime that promised paradise but led a nation down the road to hell.
Ironically, the CNS actually did Lenin a favor. Despite being a central figure in the Revolution, Lenin never wanted to be put on a pedestal and worshiped like a king.
To Lenin's ghost, it was a final screw you to the monsters that ruined his work.
100 pages for a long discussion that boils down to "in this timeline, people really aren't going to like the reds!"
Yeah if the author isn't coming back, the thread should just be locked at this point.
I think when people talk about the Eastern Front in World War II, they might emphasize not only the collusion between Soviets and Nazis, but also their many similarities:
* The violation of international covenants against invasion (Stalin invading Poland and Finland)
* Ethnic Cleansing (Stalin's persecution of Poles, Balts, Chechens, Tatars, Volga Germans, and Kalmyks)
* Murder of prisoners (Gulags and NKVD executions)
Bloodlands: Europe Between Hitler and Stalin might have been published sooner.
Could you not gravebump, especially if the author is clearly on hiatus?I think when people talk about the Eastern Front in World War II, they might emphasize not only the collusion between Soviets and Nazis, but also their many similarities:
* The violation of international covenants against invasion (Stalin invading Poland and Finland)
* Ethnic Cleansing (Stalin's persecution of Poles, Balts, Chechens, Tatars, Volga Germans, and Kalmyks)
* Murder of prisoners (Gulags and NKVD executions)
@CalBear could you please just lock this thread. No one has said anything since January and ToRT is dead at this point. Just smite the tread already.
@CalBear could you please just lock this thread. No one has said anything since January and ToRT is dead at this point. Just smite the tread already.
You are correct.I think that threads are locked only if OP arks that, are necroed or otherwise violate forum rules.