Twilight of the Red Tsar

[Redshank Galloglass]

Given the left-wing emphasis on Syndicalism rather than Socialism it wouldn't be too unlikely that Marxism-Leninism isn't exactly vogue.

Of course, Marxism-Leninism isn't Socialism but it seems like the similarities are enough to make the name toxic. I can't really buy this to be honest, Socialism predates both Marx and Lenin, but it is interesting to see what emerges instead. I'm one of those guys that kinda fancies Syndicalism as the best path for Socialists to follow, and I'd like to see how things are going in Hungary.

Pretty much like OTL, honestly. I'm a Marxist Syndicalist but in public convos I use the terms Syndicalist or DeLeonist because the term Socialist is synonymous with large execution lists of political subversives. Well, that, or Keynesian economics mixed with stronger labor unions and protectionist trade policies, depensing on the person.

 

[The Red]

Pretty much like OTL, honestly. I'm a Marxist Syndicalist but in public convos I use the terms Syndicalist or DeLeonist because the term Socialist is synonymous with large execution lists of political subversives. Well, that, or Keynesian economics mixed with stronger labor unions and protectionist trade policies, depensing on the person.

I don't know, I often worry that there's more focus on didactics than dialectics. We shouldn't need to worry about how our critics define us, they aren't going to become any more accommodating.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

I don't know, I often worry that there's more focus on didactics than dialectics. We shouldn't need to worry about how our critics define us, they aren't going to become any more accommodating.

Well honestly I think we need a bit larger emphasis on didactics since the Radical Left has been so discredited by Soviet fuckery and western propaganda they the very term Communism makes even reasonable people shut their ears off.

Besides, I highly doubt the right wing is interested much in dialectics with the left.

 

[The Red]

Well honestly I think we need a bit larger emphasis on didactics since the Radical Left has been so discredited by Soviet fuckery and western propaganda they the very term Communism makes even reasonable people shut their ears off.

Besides, I highly doubt the right wing is interested much in dialectics with the left.

Reacting to western propaganda isn't a winning strategy at the end of the day, that's not something that's going to go away because of prefixes and noting specific ideologies.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

Reacting to western propaganda isn't a winning strategy at the end of the day, that's not something that's going to go away because of prefixes and noting specific ideologies.

Neither is opening yourself up to slander, though. Propaganda is a dangerous and effective thing, but outright calling yourself a communist is tantamount to political suicide.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

But anyways I would also like to see how Hungary is doing, or even Cuba.

 

[Bookmark1995]

But anyways I would also like to see how Hungary is doing, or even Cuba.

I did make a contribution about Syndicalist Hungary. It's Threadmarked as "Redeeming an Ideology".

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

I did make a contribution about Syndicalist Hungary. It's Threadmarked as "Redeeming an Ideology".

Awesome. About to read it.

 

[The Red]

Neither is opening yourself up to slander.

I'm not sure if there's a difference between propaganda and slander. Those who are opposed to Socialism are going to be opposed to Syndicalism or DeLeonism.

the very term Communism makes even reasonable people shut their ears off.

There are ways. As a Scot I've seen it been done, the SSP gained prominence by connecting themselves to popular causes; opposition to the Poll Tax, lack of social housing, etc.

 

[Bookmark1995]

Well honestly I think we need a bit larger emphasis on didactics since the Radical Left has been so discredited by Soviet fuckery and western propaganda they the very term Communism makes even reasonable people shut their ears off.

I don't put myself into any single political category, but I do associate the radical left with "the sharing of misery," as Winston Churchill eloquently put it.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

I'm not sure if there's a difference between propaganda and slander. Those who are opposed to Socialism are going to be opposed to Syndicalism or DeLeonism.

I agree with you there, but the problem is that the term Communism is synonynous with Marxism-Leninism and Maoism, which does indeed have a major problem with humans rights abuses that many consider synonynous with the radical left. At least calling yourself a Syndicalist might bring more of the reasonable people over to you, the ones who would smell something fishy with the propaganda.

There are ways. As a Scot I've seen it been done, the SSP gained prominence by connecting themselves to popular causes; opposition to the Poll Tax, lack of social housing, etc.

I'm not too familiar with Far Left politics in Britain (I'm close with my Glasweigian Cousin in London, but he's more of a Corbynite than anything else) but America has a very strong propaganda machine against the far left. Even calling yourself a socialist will leave a bad taste in peoples mouths.

I will admit that the BPP did win many ovsr though.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

I don't put myself into any single political category, but I do associate the radical left with "the sharing of misery," as Winston Churchill eloquently put it.

I wouldnt trust anything about the RadLeft from Churchill, man.

I prefer Orwell when Tankies need to be BTFO

 

[The Red]

I did make a contribution about Syndicalist Hungary. It's Threadmarked as "Redeeming an Ideology".

Not sure how I missed this first time round, brilliant stuff.

Was in Budapest recently and saw the statue of Nagy. He seemed to be looking towards a future that the constraints of the Eastern Bloc wouldn't allow.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

Not sure how I missed this first time round, brilliant stuff.

Was in Budapest recently and saw the statue of Nagy. He seemed to be looking towards a future that the constraints of the Eastern Bloc wouldn't allow.

How is Budapest? Always wants to go there, but being a young working class man such as myself I dont exactly have money.

 

[The Red]

I don't put myself into any single political category, but I do associate the radical left with "the sharing of misery," as Winston Churchill eloquently put it.

A man who boasted about committing atrocities in Pakistan would know a lot about sharing misery.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

Anyways, I recently watched Beasts Of No Nation on Netflix (an excellent film, by the way, even if it is incredibly sad at points) and it kinda makes me want to write a fan peice on Africa. Namely, the IBSU and African countries that joined the Syndie struggle.


Would that be okay @Napoleon IV

 

[The Red]

How is Budapest? Always wants to go there, but being a young working class man such as myself I dont exactly have money.

Beautiful city. I had a few hang-ups before going there, Orban creates an impression, but Budapest isn't quite Fidesz territory. Wonderful people and an overbearing sense of history, I always think that the latter is a sign of strength. Lots of great pubs and clubs if that's your thing. It's also pretty inexpensive although if you live in the states I guess the flights might be a bit of an albatross in that regard.

 

[The Red]

I agree with you there, but the problem is that the term Communism is synonynous with Marxism-Leninism and Maoism, which does indeed have a major problem with humans rights abuses that many consider synonynous with the radical left. At least calling yourself a Syndicalist might bring more of the reasonable people over to you, the ones who would smell something fishy with the propaganda.

I've got a lot of time for Syndicalism but choosing the name purely because of the criticism of decorators irks me. Nye Bevan's line about "both lanes of traffic" springs to mind.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

I've got a lot of time for Syndicalism but choosing the name purely because of the criticism of decorators irks me. Nye Bevan's line about "both lanes of traffic" always rings in my mind.

I totally get that.

 

[Redshank Galloglass]

Beautiful city. I had a few hang-ups before going there, Orban creates an impression, but Budapest isn't quite Fidesz territory. Wonderful people and an overbearing sense of history, I always think that the latter is a sign of strength. Lots of great pubs and clubs if that's your thing. It's also pretty inexpensive although if you live in the states I guess the flights might be a bit of an albatross in that regard.

Sounds pretty awesome.

Its less the flights and moreso I dont really make enough cash. I work in a restaurant as a sous chef but I dont exactly make Gordon Ramsay money, at least not yet.