Turkization of Europe

What would be if was possible Turkization of Europe by a steady stream of aggressive hordes from the east?
Various Turkish peoples still flowed from Asia since the arrival of the Huns in Europe. Following them were the Avars, Khazars, Kipchaks, Oghuz (including Ottoman Turks).
What if these peoples were moving constantly to the west, in the footsteps of the Huns ? Permanent settlements, conquests and the possible destruction of European culture.
 
You could certainly have a Turkic culture taking root in the Pannonian plains, in modern day Hungary. Call me ignorant, but if one nomadic steppe tribe could do it, why couldn't another one?

AFAIK, there are no other examples of steppe tribes permanently displacing or exterminating native European cultures, which drives me to think that there were/are inflexible social and geographical reasons for this. Hell, look at the mass migrations following the Fall of Rome. Despite massive population transfers, the core of what was once the Roman Empire has remained, to this day, Latin in language and culture. Sure, Germanic influences have been huge parts of French, Spanish, Portuguese, and Italian culture, but there was no extermination of pre-existing civilization, and this was the biggest, most permanent example we have of European cultural replacement.
 
I think it doesn't matter. After all they will be Christianized and it will be culturally same Europe as today, maybe little bit different hair, eye and skin color.
 

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Have Attila win at the catalaun fields and incorporate East Gallia into his empire. This pushes the Germanics further south and destablizes the WRE. Have him do a succesfull raid on italy that leads to Roman Collapse. Have his Empire survive at least until the Avars appear from the east. Italy and Iberia are almost impossible to Tukizize, but Gallia, Gemrania and Illyria given enogh time and sucessfull wars later on should be possible. Britannia could become turk influenced if you do a Norman conquest equivalent.
 
Have Attila win at the catalaun fields and incorporate East Gallia into his empire. This pushes the Germanics further south and destablizes the WRE. Have him do a succesfull raid on italy that leads to Roman Collapse. Have his Empire survive at least until the Avars appear from the east. Italy and Iberia are almost impossible to Tukizize, but Gallia, Gemrania and Illyria given enogh time and sucessfull wars later on should be possible. Britannia could become turk influenced if you do a Norman conquest equivalent.

That seems to be assuming that the Huns are able to Turkify the areas they hold.

Seems rather difficult.
 

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That seems to be assuming that the Huns are able to Turkify the areas they hold.

Seems rather difficult.


yeah I know its right on the edge of ASB, but OP asked for some way to do it and this is the most reasonable I could think of.
 
yeah I know its right on the edge of ASB, but OP asked for some way to do it and this is the most reasonable I could think of.

Sometimes, the appropriate answer is "There is no plausible way to do it."

I will never understand the mindset of trying to find some way, any way, to avoid saying that.
 

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Sometimes, the appropriate answer is "There is no plausible way to do it."

I will never understand the mindset of trying to find some way, any way, to avoid saying that.

Well I don't like beeing harsh:D
 
A change like this would need a whole lot of changes and events, not like the effort needed to knock off one guy
 
I think this is a little ambitious. There are ways of Turkicising parts of Europe - the bits closest to Turkey - even if they are a little tenuous, but subjecting an entire continent to the influence of one culture is going a little far. There just aren't enough Turks around to spread over the entire continent and culturally homogenise it. If anything trying to diffuse Turkic identity across a large area would actually encourage is the Turkic homeland becoming significantly depopulated that it itself started to absorb migrants from other areas and started adapting to the culture that they brought in, which would itself end the nascent Turkicisation process after a while since Turkey would simply run out of culturally Turkic people to send abroad.
 
It is believed that Turkization of Anatolia had made a relatively small group of Turkmen horsemen. Today, only about 10 percent of the population of Turkey have origin from Seljuk warriors. The same applied to an even smaller group of Magyars, which were melted in a large group of Onogur-Bulgars, but official language is Ugric Hungarian, not Turkic Bulgar.
I do not mean here to conquer and a turkization absolutely all over Europe, but only a control of the key areas for European culture; Gaul, Rome, the Balkans, Germania and possibly England.
Eastern Europe iss still heavily influenced by Turkic culture (and genes). Eastern Slavs are quite mingled with the Turkic nations. Also a lot of Poles and Slovaks has a Tatar ancestors.
Turkization with the Huns is rather a bad idea - the lingua franca of the empire of Attila was the Gothic language, hence a more chance to Germanization them.
 
What happened in Anatolia would be rather hard to have duplicated over all(most) of Europe - and additionally, not all the Turkish as opposed to assimilated population came with the Seljuks.
 

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It is believed that Turkization of Anatolia had made a relatively small group of Turkmen horsemen. Today, only about 10 percent of the population of Turkey have origin from Seljuk warriors. The same applied to an even smaller group of Magyars, which were melted in a large group of Onogur-Bulgars, but official language is Ugric Hungarian, not Turkic Bulgar.
I do not mean here to conquer and a turkization absolutely all over Europe, but only a control of the key areas for European culture; Gaul, Rome, the Balkans, Germania and possibly England.
Eastern Europe iss still heavily influenced by Turkic culture (and genes). Eastern Slavs are quite mingled with the Turkic nations. Also a lot of Poles and Slovaks has a Tatar ancestors.
Turkization with the Huns is rather a bad idea - the lingua franca of the empire of Attila was the Gothic language, hence a more chance to Germanization them.

Anatolia and Hungary are plains, which mean horse-nomads can easily move in and wipe or enslave the locals without them being able to escape into forest and hills (as the Kurds did in eastern Turkey and the Vlachs did in Romania), Germany are traditional swamp and forest, while northern France are the same, soutern France are hilly forest. So even if a Turkish invasion succeed (very doubtful) they would at best leave a few ethnic enclaves behind like the Turkomans in Iraq and Syria.
 
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