Turki, son of Ibn Saud does not die in 1918-1919, consequences?

So, all this talk around Saudi Arabia as of late has gotten me thinking. Ibn Saud, is famous for founding Saudi Arabia, and for having a shit tonne of children. His firstborn son Turki, was considered his heir for most of his initial conquest of Arabia, but died in 1918-1919, leaving behind an infant child, who was bypassed for the throne.

However, what would've changed had Turki not died when he did, and instead survived to see Saudi Arabia come into being, and to later help his father shape the new Kingdom. If Turki had then succeeded his father when the man died in 1953, what could've changed for the Kingdom and the HOuse of Saud?
 
Probably there would be still brother to brother succession. Or otherwise things with other brothers might go bit messy. Probably things wouldn't go very differently.
 
Probably there would be still brother to brother succession. Or otherwise things with other brothers might go bit messy. Probably things wouldn't go very differently.
Oh? I’ve read that the reason inn Al Saud introduced that was because Turkis son was in Usero when he died this he instituted this so there’d be an adult heir
 
Father to son succession probably means faster social change/change in policy so perhaps more instability which means given we're talking saudis more funding radical madrasses and the like earlier than OTL.

A *9/11 in 1981 instead of 2001, perhaps.
 
Father to son succession probably means faster social change/change in policy so perhaps more instability which means given we're talking saudis more funding radical madrasses and the like earlier than OTL.

A *9/11 in 1981 instead of 2001, perhaps.
Oh? You do t think there’s be gradual change etc?
 
What's the Islamic position on inheriting titles? In the UK the title of His/Her Royal Highness passes down to the grandchildren of the reigning monarch, after that great-grandchildren lose it and only inherit any regular peerages that their parents might possess. If Turki lived and Ibn Saud set the kingdom up to run on male-preference primogeniture then instituting something similar would help cut down on potential competitors, and later on the number of princes expecting to be supported so extravagantly financially.
 
What's the Islamic position on inheriting titles? In the UK the title of His/Her Royal Highness passes down to the grandchildren of the reigning monarch, after that great-grandchildren lose it and only inherit any regular peerages that their parents might possess. If Turki lived and Ibn Saud set the kingdom up to run on male-preference primogeniture then instituting something similar would help cut down on potential competitors, and later on the number of princes expecting to be supported so extravagantly financially.

From what I remember, the direct descendants bear the style His/Her Highness, and the heir apparent bears the style His/Her Royal Highness.
 
What's the Islamic position on inheriting titles?
Property and titles must be distributed among the sons (and daughters depends on what u follow) so for an example if someone ruled all of arabia, one son would get Egypt, one gets Syria, one gets arabia and etc.
 
Property and titles must be distributed among the sons (and daughters depends on what u follow) so for an example if someone ruled all of arabia, one son would get Egypt, one gets Syria, one gets arabia and etc.

So, what does mean for Ibn and Turki, as Ibn seemed to only go for brother to brother succession once his firstborn died.
 
So, what does mean for Ibn and Turki, as Ibn seemed to only go for brother to brother succession once his firstborn died.
Is turki an only son? If he is then he gets all the inheritance. It also means ibn needs to get ride of his brothers as they can challange his son claim as they are older.
 
Is turki an only son? If he is then he gets all the inheritance. It also means ibn needs to get ride of his brothers as they can challange his son claim as they are older.

Well by this point, Prince Saud-the future King- was alive as were a few other brothers. But would they really divide Saudi Arabia between them, or only appoint them as governors?
 
Well by this point, Prince Saud-the future King- was alive as were a few other brothers. But would they really divide Saudi Arabia between them, or only appoint them as governors?
Governor's maybe the normal action was civil war among the sons and victor normally the best son wins and kills his brothers or spares that not common. Sometime the father orders the sons he doesn't wants death. Again this is tribal so you are likely to see the sons fight among themsleves.
 
Governor's maybe the normal action was civil war among the sons and victor normally the best son wins and kills his brothers or spares that not common. Sometime the father orders the sons he doesn't wants death. Again this is tribal so you are likely to see the sons fight among themsleves.

Hmm interesting, what prevented this from happening otl? Ibn deciding the succession would go brother to brother anyway?
 
Hmm interesting, what prevented this from happening otl? Ibn deciding the succession would go brother to brother anyway?
Stronger land, if you aren't killing your sons or having them rage civil war your less likely to be conquered. The dynasty collapsed twice in the 1800s due to discord over succession, there was a succession war going to happen look up fasial vs saud. Remember he had alot of children which came from his many wives which were marriage alliances of other tribes these tribes would support their daughters sons. The reason it goes brother to brother was a compromise everyone knew faisal was better so when saud became king faisal would inherit then saud tries changing the laws which caused a coup against him by faisal.
 
Stronger land, if you aren't killing your sons or having them rage civil war your less likely to be conquered. The dynasty collapsed twice in the 1800s due to discord over succession, there was a succession war going to happen look up fasial vs saud. Remember he had alot of children which came from his many wives which were marriage alliances of other tribes these tribes would support their daughters sons. The reason it goes brother to brother was a compromise everyone knew faisal was better so when saud became king faisal would inherit then saud tries changing the laws which caused a coup against him by faisal.

Hmm interesting, I suppose something similar might happen if Turki survived and looked to bring his son up as his heir?
 
Interesting, which likely means Turki being aware of this might initiate a war when their father dies.
Most likely faisal has more support thats how he gained power originally through a coup. Turki best chance would be to fight a war but again the saudi clan supports faisal and he has most of the Arab support, was turki a good commander?
 
Oh? You do t think there’s be gradual change etc?
There has been OTL. Why do you think the saudis are compromising with the more ah religiously nutty members of their families by funding radical madrassas everywhere that has more than 5 muslims? I'm presuming we see some analogue of the Grand Mosque seizure but earlier than OTL to force this "Compromising".
 
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