Turkey declares war on allies 1941

What if Turkey had declared war on allies in early 1941 in support of Germany in return for restoring the border to 1914 and to make it interesting let's say that Germany in 1930s invested in its infrastructure to make it easier to reinforce Turkey in case of war with britain
 
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let's say that Germany in 1930s invested in its infrastructure to make it easier to reinforce Turkey in case of war with britain

Germany isn't made of money, especially with the way the Nazis liked Autarky. What doesn't get done in Germany in 1934-1937to help the Turks?
 

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Hopefully Turkey would finally be held accountable for the Armenian genocide, the Allies would partition off a Kurdish state, and Greece would get East Thrace.
 
Soviets try to occupy all they can in the last months of the war.

I assume some sort of partition would be discussed at Yalta.
 
As others said.
All things being equal, Turkey gets invaded and defeated, also offering the WAllies an easy way for Churchill's much beloved "soft underbelly" Balkans invasion approach.
There was no soft underbelly of course, but assuming minimal divergence, Turkey offers a point of entry for the Allies into Europe.
Postwar effects, depending on the specifics, may be huge.
 
Is it possible that the combination of Turkish and German attacks on the USSR could be strong enough to lead to the USSR falling? If Turkey took Azerbaijan and its oil, for example.

I suppose this might depend on where the loyalties of the people in the USSR lie. Would the Azeris, Chechens, Kazakhs, Turkmen, Tatars, etc, be likely to support Turkey?
 
Hopefully Turkey would finally be held accountable for the Armenian genocide, the Allies would partition off a Kurdish state, and Greece would get East Thrace.
Stalin might have a lot to say about that.
You don't think he's going to make a run for the Bosporus and the Dardanelles.
I can see turkey being pot chicken into several satellite countries as well as losing some territory to the Soviet Union.
Istanbul would become a major Soviet naval Base
 
What if Turkey had declared war on allies in early 1941 in support of Germany in return for restoring the border to 1914 and to make it interesting let's say that Germany in 1930s invested in its infrastructure to make it easier to reinforce Turkey in case of war with britain

The borders of 1914 were an absolute impossibility in 1941. Even in 1914 the Ottoman Empire was only nominal ruler of much of the territory, and the Kemalists who ruled Turkey in 1941 neither expected nor wanted to rule over huge numbers of Arabs, nor would they have believed the Germans if promised the return of such borders (after all, Germany was itself interested in appealing to Arab nationalists). "The national movement led by Mustafa Kemal...established itself on national borders and did not claim the lost territories, with the exception of some bordering contested lands." https://journals.openedition.org/diacronie/1998

Offering Turkey Turkic territories in the USSR is perhaps a slightly more plausible incentive, but even that was unlikely to work, in view of the Kemalist renunciation of pan-Turanianism; see my post at https://www.alternatehistory.com/forum/threads/why-didn’t-turkey-join-the-axis.461880/#post-18443666

Turkey really had little to hope for, and much to fear, from whichever side won. As the Italian ambassador put it, the Turkish ideal was that "the last German soldier should fall upon the last Russian corpse." https://books.google.com/books?id=PlcpRNvsM4cC&pg=PA65
 
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the Turkish leadership seemed to have a full, realistic grasp of their reduced circumstances, also it sometimes gets forgotten that Italy was their second great enemy behind USSR.

if any Turkish leader still dreamt of glory allying with the Reich? quick end to the Iraqi coup likely changed their view?
 
Do no underestimate the payload of the Avro Lancaster heavy bomber, Britain has thousands on hand and Bomber Harris in command.

And when the US joins the party things get worse for Turkey. The big question is why Turkey is doing this. The Turks aren't complete idiots and knew neutrality was their safest course. If they pick the wrong side it could be the end of Turkey.
 
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