Turkey and/or Sweden in WW2

hey idk if this has been done before but i was wonderingwhat would happen if Sweden or Turkey or both joined the Allies later in WW2 & attacked the Axis?

with Sweden mabye around the time of the liberation of Paris they opt to break being neutral & attack German forces in Norway which would further take up the dwindling German resources.

& with Turkey when the Soviets begin nearing Romania Turkey joins the Allies & attacks the Axis forces in the Balkans.

What if any territorial gains would they get out of the war or what other benifits would they gain?
 
I'm no expert to comment on Sweden's capabilities

but the Turk's wouldn't bring much to the table... they have 41 divisions of renowned toughness BUT they would require total equipment by the US... and equipping those 2 millions turks with small arms, motorized elements, aircraft, tanks and an air defense network would be a gigantic net loser versus giving those weapons to the Russians or keeping them for themselves considering Turkey has nowhere to go with an attack into Bulgaria which will promptly run into very difficult terrain obstacles which the Germans will be able to hold with economy of force missions a la Italy
 
Sweden did plan Operation Rädda Norge and Operation Rädda Danmark (Operation Save Norway and Operation Save Denmark), but they were intended to establish order and force German units that would not surrender in May 1945 to stop resisting.

Plans from 1942 included an offensive attack against Mo i Rana to establish a port through which the western allies could send help in case of a German attack.
 
but the Turk's wouldn't bring much to the table... they have 41 divisions of renowned toughness BUT they would require total equipment by the US... and equipping those 2 millions turks with small arms, motorized elements, aircraft, tanks and an air defense network would be a gigantic net loser versus giving those weapons to the Russians or keeping them for themselves considering Turkey has nowhere to go with an attack into Bulgaria which will promptly run into very difficult terrain obstacles which the Germans will be able to hold with economy of force missions a la Italy

I disagree. Bulgaria wanted to get out of the war at that time. If they had assurances of independence later, they might agree to Turkish troops entering their country unopposed (like how the Red Army did anyway) to link up with them and perhaps a token airborne unit of US/Britain. There wouldn't be any time for the Germans to fight in Bulgaria. It would be a fait accompli, and Bulgarian/Turkish troops would cut off Germans in Greece and go into Yugoslavia (probably with the Red Army also entering Yugoslavia from Romania).

Only purpose would be to prevent a Red Army occupation of Bulgaria. It wouldn't change the outcome of the war, but it would keep Bulgaria out of the Soviet camp afterwards.
 
what would these countries gain from a late entrance into the war though not just the chance of territorial wise
 
Hardly seems worth it at the end of the war. If you're going to have Swedish involvement then you want it ready for the invasion of Denmark or Norway.
 
with Sweden mabye around the time of the liberation of Paris they opt to break being neutral & attack German forces in Norway which would further take up the dwindling German resources.

Why? They don't have much to gain.

If there's any chance of meaningful Swedish involvement in WWI it's if Sweden enters a defensive pact with Norway in 1939 or early 1940, and Hitler still decides to invade.
 
Why? They don't have much to gain.

If there's any chance of meaningful Swedish involvement in WWI it's if Sweden enters a defensive pact with Norway in 1939 or early 1940, and Hitler still decides to invade.
well cause i figure they wouldnt want to get occupied too
 

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Sweden did plan Operation Rädda Norge and Operation Rädda Danmark (Operation Save Norway and Operation Save Denmark), but they were intended to establish order and force German units that would not surrender in May 1945 to stop resisting.

Plans from 1942 included an offensive attack against Mo i Rana to establish a port through which the western allies could send help in case of a German attack.

Sounds like a revival of Scandinavian would pop up as a result of such an action. I'm sure the Danes and Norweigens would have fond feelings for their liberators.
 
well cause i figure they wouldnt want to get occupied too
And to do so they... attack Germany, the Germany that had just forced France's capitulation. Right. :confused:

Between the fact that it would go against Swedish foreign policy (which was pretty pro-German, anyway) so far, and the fact that the Swedish military was sorely unprepared for war, never mind aggressive war, I find this scenario highly implausible.
 
Why? They don't have much to gain.

If there's any chance of meaningful Swedish involvement in WWI it's if Sweden enters a defensive pact with Norway in 1939 or early 1940, and Hitler still decides to invade.

They could get BIG financial incentives from the United States. Turkey as a matter of fact did declare war on the Axis right before the end, but it was pretty much only a symbolic gesture.
 
And to do so they... attack Germany, the Germany that had just forced France's capitulation. Right. :confused:
Er, the original post says "around the time of the liberation of Paris" - which would be some four years after France's capitulation. On the other hand, by then it was fairly clear that Germany wasn't all that likely to occupy Sweden.
 
well cause i figure they wouldnt want to get occupied too

If they were rational then they wouldn't. Germany was able to buy iron and transit troops across Sweden; taking it over would yield few economic and no strategic advantages.

They could get BIG financial incentives from the United States. Turkey as a matter of fact did declare war on the Axis right before the end, but it was pretty much only a symbolic gesture.

Point made. But Sweden would probably wait until the very end when Germany was collapsing on all fronts. With German troops in Norway, the southern coast of the Baltic, and Finland, it would be risky for them to jump the gun. They'd most likely avoid occupation if they declared war after Operation Neptune but still have issues with a multi-front war.
 
If they were rational then they wouldn't. Germany was able to buy iron and transit troops across Sweden; taking it over would yield few economic and no strategic advantages.



Point made. But Sweden would probably wait until the very end when Germany was collapsing on all fronts. With German troops in Norway, the southern coast of the Baltic, and Finland, it would be risky for them to jump the gun. They'd most likely avoid occupation if they declared war after Operation Neptune but still have issues with a multi-front war.
also i put the entrance after the normandy invasion so Germany is getting pretty strapped for troops
 
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