Tsar Nicholas has a healthy son.
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Okay interesting. Certainly be interesting to see how the Bolsheviks try and deal with a emperor who actually cares for the people visibly
Not inevitable: there's plenty of ways the boy Tsar can mess up. And Russia, even in this alternate timeline is a long way from anything like democracy. Bear in mind, even if Sarajevo doesn't bring about WWI, these folks are in no way out of the woods. Not while Austria lies rotting in the sun and Germany has William II. If there's no war or revolution beginning in 1914, there would be the matter of the Tsar's marriage. Which would probably bring new challenges.
I'm going to digress.....If the Tsarina has twins in 1899, the odds are we've butterflied the OTL Anastasia and Alexi. But we're keeping them? I think having an older, healthy son would have been good for the Tsarina; it would have taken some of the pressure off because Alexi was the spare.
(Frankly, I couldn't figure out how a pathologically shy German girl like Alix ended up marrying the heir to the Tsar...... and then I remembered Lady Diana Spencer; there's apparently a category of women who want the trimmings but only on their terms....)
(Frankly, I couldn't figure out how a pathologically shy German girl like Alix ended up marrying the heir to the Tsar...... and then I remembered Lady Diana Spencer; there's apparently a category of women who want the trimmings but only on their terms....)
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I agree, however, as pointed out, chances are that Misha Alexandrovich (his uncle) is in charge of the army. And as I understand, Mikhail was rather popular with the officers, just as his wife was with the Duma, and the Dowager Empress was popular point, so with that triumvirate in charge of Russian politics - even if they're delegating to ministers and councils of war, it could change things. True, he's perhaps no more educated than Nicky was, but, he has the benefit of people with their "ear to the ground" so to speak. If Mikhail and maybe a couple of other the galaxy of grand dukes and princes that Nicky/Alicky alienated, can keep the army (and perhaps the navy too (can't remember the name of the grand duke in charge of the navy who pledged loyalty to the provisional government)) loyal to the tsar, it might change one or two domestic engagements - not necessarily foreign ones.
Unless they get out of the war soon,I don't think the Tsarist regime can survive.Kerensky's Offensive basically showed that the country was no longer willing to suffer further losses.
The main reason why the Provisional Government was overthrown by the Bolsheviks was because they continued the war whereas the Bolsheviks promised to end it no matter the cost.Kerensky's Offensive showed that the army was no longer willing to fight and that the country was no longer willing to suffer further losses.The Provisional Government refused to cease fighting despite this and it fell.The second most important reason of course was Kerensky arming the Bolsheviks in fear of Kornilov marching on St.Petersburg.
Alright interesting. I suppose, some sort of settlement and being willing to take the backlash would make it viable?
Would be interesting if Russia pulls out around the same time that Karl I of Austria approaches the French. If Russia and Austria-Hungary drop out, it's basically Germany against the UK/France, makes one wonder how soon they'd come to a peace agreement in that case. And if it would be as uneasy a peace as Versailles OTL
Hmm very true. If they pull out at the same time, this could potentially make it harder for the Bolsheviks and their pr tools no?
Hardly possible. IOTL Karl's attempt was going nowhere, and Germany was willing to take the most of Russia, who couldn't take the luxury of playing for time.
Another digression, but with a question: What could stop Tsar Nicholas II (or his father, for that matter) from reversing Peter's salic law proclamation? Peter changed the succession, why couldn't a different Tsar change it back?
Pavel (Paul), not Pyotr.
If Nikolai changes the succession laws as was considered as early as shortly after Grand Duke Jiri's death and the fact that Alicky kept popping out girls, to allow one of his daughters to succeed. Since when the Czar fell ill with typhoid in 1900, there was the problem of that the czarina was pregnant, but if the czar died, law dictated that the imperial diadem pass to Mikhail Alexandrovich (who Alexandra personally disliked, but I'm discounting that, since she disliked many people in the imperial family). However, there was no contingency that allowed for the succession to be put on hold until Alexandra was delivered of the child. According to the Pauline Laws Mikhail's succession would've been immediate, and if Alexandra bore a son or a daughter, it mattered little either way.
Also, when the talk of Alexei succeeding came up, Alexandra pushed to have Olga declared co-regent with Mikhail, who would've been regent by rights; with herself still as guardian for her underage son. It would be interesting if Nicky or her push for this TTL, since Alicky liked neither Marie, Mikhail nor Natalia.
But if Nikolai changes the laws (Alexander II had done it in his reign, it had met with opposition from the family, but it had gone through, nonetheless), Olga might get her wish to not marry outside of Russia and not marry someone she doesn't like. For forms' sake I could see them marrying her to a Romanov grand ducal cousin (Alexandra disliked Dmitri Pavlovich, Olga's fiancee apparently in 1911/1912, but as said, Alicky had her claws out for most of the Romanovs; plus she disliked the branch who would succeed if Mikhail were passed over, the Vladimirovichi)
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