Tsar Nicholas has a healthy son.

VVD0D95

As it says on the tin what changes could come if tsar Nicholas had a son in 1899 who was born healthy and strong? And just for kicks alexei is still born in 1904.

If he has a healthy male heir does that mean Rasputin never comes to the scene? Could this potentially help keep the image of the monarchy up?

How does this influence the Russian revolution?
 
Jonathan

Jonathan

Is this as a twin to Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaevna of Russia (1899–1918) or replacing her all together?


As for potential wife, how about Mary, Princess Royal of Britain or Ingrid of Sweden
 

desmirelle

Unless you can get George to let them escape to Britain, we're still looking at a room full of dead Russian Royalty.....plus one
 

VVD0D95

Jonathan said:
Is this as a twin to Grand Duchess Maria Nikolaevna of Russia (1899–1918) or replacing her all together?


As for potential wife, how about Mary, Princess Royal of Britain or Ingrid of Sweden
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Let's say as a twin.

desmirelle said:
Unless you can get George to let them escape to Britain, we're still looking at a room full of dead Russian Royalty.....plus one
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Alright and if he does bring them
To the uk? What then?
 

desmirelle

Per the world, darth, that's how the tsar & co will be seen. And Russians will forget Nicky's incompetency under Stalin's death waltz. Maybe not right away, but the more joe kills, the better nick looks.
 

darthfanta

desmirelle said:
Per the world, darth, that's how the tsar & co will be seen. And Russians will forget Nicky's incompetency under Stalin's death waltz. Maybe not right away, but the more joe kills, the better nick looks.
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If that's the way it is,the Grand Dukes(who weren't tainted in the same way Nicholas and Alexandra were)living overseas would have plenty of support,they didn't get any.
 

desmirelle

There was no one person to focus the government-in-exile upon. The Grand Dukes were a group of people, there wasn't (as I recall, and I may be wrong) a focal point. With a Tsar living and breathing, that's something else entirely. That's what I'm talking about, there is now single focal point for exiles and those chafing under stalin.
 

darthfanta

desmirelle said:
There was no one person to focus the government-in-exile upon. The Grand Dukes were a group of people, there wasn't (as I recall, and I may be wrong) a focal point. With a Tsar living and breathing, that's something else entirely. That's what I'm talking about, there is now single focal point for exiles and those chafing under stalin.
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If the Tsar's alive,the grand dukes most likely would have disputed his leadership as well,given he was largely responsible for the empire's collapse and that he abdicated.Besides,many in the white movement were not actually monarchist.Many of the leading figures,like Denikin and Kornilov,were striving for some sort of Republic.
 

desmirelle

I seriously doubt that the Tsar would abdicate if he were offered sanctuary in England. And even then it would have been under threat and therefore invalid. It wasn't like Edward VIII, who was looking for a way out of his responsibilities. Who knows, a forced retreat and reconsideration of his policies might make a decent Tsar out of him?

The Tsar would still be the focal point, even if the Grand Dukes wanted to dispute it. You gonna tell King George he's wrong?
 

darthfanta

desmirelle said:
I seriously doubt that the Tsar would abdicate if he were offered sanctuary in England. And even then it would have been under threat and therefore invalid. It wasn't like Edward VIII, who was looking for a way out of his responsibilities. Who knows, a forced retreat and reconsideration of his policies might make a decent Tsar out of him?

The Tsar would still be the focal point, even if the Grand Dukes wanted to dispute it. You gonna tell King George he's wrong?
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He asked for sanctuary after he abdicated.

This has nothing to do with Edward VIII or George.

The point is that the people have completely lost confidence in the monarchy.Most of the White leaders weren't even monarchists,they were fighting for some sort of republic.
 

cra0422

We need to get over this idea that Rasputin was the sole cause of the Russian Revolution. He was just a symptom of the Russian people's dissatisfaction with the Tsar's government. Having a healthy male heir means the people just have to find something else to complain about concerning the Russian government, and they had plenty to choose from. I see the Russian Revolution still happening as it did OTL but we lack the interesting drama that Rasputin brought to it.
 

VVD0D95

Okay intetesting points made all round.

Let us say that the Romanovs make it to Britain instead of being shot by a bunch of Bolshevik idiots, what happens next? A government in exile? Is it a case of as the soviet government experiences hard times they Romanovs are looked on fondly?
 

darthfanta

VVD0D95 said:
Okay intetesting points made all round.

Let us say that the Romanovs make it to Britain instead of being shot by a bunch of Bolshevik idiots, what happens next? A government in exile? Is it a case of as the soviet government experiences hard times they Romanovs are looked on fondly?
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Unlikely.As I've detailed,the Russians in exile will likely blame Nicholas and his wife for happened.The guy's totally discredited.TIf he has somehow become wiser like someone else mentioned(unlikely),he should just abdicate again to someone more credible in the Imperial family,like Grand Duke Nicholas(who was a successful commander in chief before Nicholas decided to take full command of the army himself).A lot of the leaders as I've mentioned aren't even monarchists.They are unlikely to form a government in exile under Nicholas.These guys also aren't known to cooperate with each other much for the 'greater good',let alone recognize someone as tainted as Nicholas as the head of the movement.Given the totalitarian nature of the Soviet regime,it's unlikely the people are even gonna get much information on Nicholas and co. at all,except that they are trying to conquer the USSR by force by colluding with Capitalist Imperialists overseas and will most likely slaughter the Soviet citizenry to the last man when they return(Communist propaganda,you know).Knowing the Bolsheviks,they are likely gonna use the continued existence of Nicholas as justification for harsh measures.
 
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VVD0D95 said:
Okay intetesting points made all round.

Let us say that the Romanovs make it to Britain instead of being shot by a bunch of Bolshevik idiots, what happens next? A government in exile? Is it a case of as the soviet government experiences hard times they Romanovs are looked on fondly?
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such hard times would be undone by the patriotic fervor brought about by the Nazi invasion.
 

VVD0D95

And what if Nicholas were to abdicate in favour of his son?

And if the Soviets are fighting amongst themselves what then?
 
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