Trying to Please Everyone: Or Converting multiple Pop Culture Utopias into a Timeline.

[Marco Incognito]

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Anime in the 2010s​

Oreimo(2010)
Based on the Light novel and Manga by Tsukasa Fushimi. The series follows Kyousouke. Unlike OTL, Kyousuke manages to avoid alienating several of the girls. The series ends with the wedding Kiss with Kirino.

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Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt(2010-2011)​

Panty and Stocking are angels kicked out of heaven who must kill evil spirits to return to heaven. The show was developed as a parody of American shows such as South Park. The idea came from a vacation the studio Gainax creators went on after Gurren Lagann was completed and spitballed ideas to each other, Drawn Together being one noted inspiration. The show received a second season after Stocking revealed herself to be a Demon and cut Panty into pieces, forcing the other characters to assemble her pieces with the aid of Scanty and Kneesocks before facing off in a battle in which the restored Panty kills Stocking.

Tantei Opera Milky Holmes(2010-2011)
Based on the Manga by the Bishiroad group that ran from 2010 to 2011. The manga follows a group of girls named after famous detectives. The show went on a hiatus after season 2 before making a return with Tantei Opera Milky Holmes TD, the third season.

Angel Beats!(2010)
Angel Beats! is set in a type of Limbo world where those trapped within must overcome hardships and trauma to be reincarnated. The series received the intended 26 episodes rather than the 13 it did OTL.

Puella Magi Madoka Magica(2011)
A Magical Girl series that is not what it seems on the surface. The Film was also adapted into 2 Anime Films(The Final Film Rebellion does not exist as it would go beyond the retelling of the rest of the original story).

Wandering Son(2011)
Based on the Manga created by Takako Shimura that ran from 2002 to 2013. The series follows transgender students. Takatsuki decided that she wants to become a boy, to the delight of trans boy fans. Saori ended up dating Fumiya and had a Maybe Ever After with Doi. Takatsuki ended up with an unrequited crush on Nitori.

Bunny Drop(2011)
Based on the Manga created by Yumi Unita that ran from 2005 to 2011. Bunny Drop ended with a time skip. The show maintained the story of a single father raising a daughter. The ten year time skip is instead an epilogue that shows that the young girl Riki grew up, showing that Daikichi did a good job raising her, concluding with Riki getting married and leaving(OTL jumps forward and reveals that Daikichi is not actually related to his adopted daughter so that they can have a relationship in the last minute of the show, this does not happen and the series instead becomes a "Throw the Dog a Bone" moment towards single fathers doing their best to raise their kids).

Persona 4 The Animation(2011-2012)
Persona 4 The Animation would be brought over to Toonami around the release of Golden onto Toonami to be used as advertising as well as draw more attention to the series. While condescending the plot, it also fixes some of the characterization problems and does more to show the friendship of the Investigation Team.

Sword Art Online(2012)
Based on the Light Novel and Manga by Reki Kawahara. The series concerned the titular online game trapping several people in a virtual world. The show started with the Aincrad Arc, the second arc followed the(admittedly somewhat ambiguous) Happy Ending faithfully and avoided cliches such as the Damsel in distress and Harem tropes. This continued into the rest of the series, which ended much earlier than most expected.

Psycho Pass(2012-2013)
For Psycho Pass, the second season was not made. The series is instead continued by Psycho-Pass: The Movie

Free!(2013)
The series Haruka, a calm and cool character(closer to original drafts) who wanted to be a champion swimmer, the franchise leading up to the protagonist and characters performing in the 2020 Tokyo Olympics(which actually happen ITTL).

Controversy over the themes of sexualizing underaged girls began to spread around the country, resulting in the cancellation of an anime adaptation of Kancolle.

Log Horizon(2013-2014)
Based on the light novel series by Mamare Touno that ran from 2011 to 2018. Log Horizon Took the place of Sword Art Online in terms of popularity and importance in popularizing isekai into the mainstream and overall maintained the same high quality and airing on Toonami.

Kill La Kill(2013-2014)
In a world in which humans wield Goku Uniforms, made of Life Fibers, which grant them superhuman abilities, Ryuko Matoi searches for her father's killer. Kill La Kill is longer than OT, detailing the further origins of the Life Fibers and on expanding the world. An OVA series with an emphasis on humor had the characters adapt to normal life after the incident and discovering what to do with their lives.

Love Live!(2013-2021)
A franchise following a group of school students and Idols. Love Live! and Love Live Sunshine! became popular. While a meme, The Fandom for this series jokes that the male gender appears to be non existent in the two shows.

Kagerou Project(2014)
A Vocaloid Project and song. Kagerou Project has a happier ending. Ayano and Hiyori were not resurrected and most of the cast escaped back into the real world.

School-Live!!(2015)
Based on the Manga by Norimitsu Kaihō. The short series is about a group of friends trying to prevent a young innocent girl from learning that a Zombie Apocalypse is taking place. The Manga and Anime both conclude at Chapter 30 with the group leaving the High School there were trapped in and the girl learning the truth.

Assassination Classroom(2015-2016)
Based on the Manga by Yusui Matsui that ran from 2012 to 2016. A mysterious creature destroys 70% of the Moon. The Creature claiming to be responsible says he will destroy the planet in one year unless he can teach a class. The Governments of the world put a bounty on the creature, named Koro-sensei, with the students repeatedly trying to kill him. Their efforts are made difficult by both the creature possessing abilities such as superspeed but also the students growing attached to him overtime as he proved to be a genuinely good teacher and mentor.

One Punch Man(2015-2019)
Based on the Manga by ONE that has been running since 2021. The series follows Saitama, a Superhero who has become so powerful he can kill any opponent with one punch, which has left him disappointed at the lack of a challenge. One Punch Man's second Season was maintained by Studio Madhouse(keeping the animation quality the same as Season 1). This also results in a different plot. While Saitama does compete in a tournament, less attention is given to it and Saitama loses the tournament on purpose to aid in fighting the occurring monster apocalypse with Genos(complete with pink Apron). Less Heroes are introduced(a few are introduced just to be killed off). Saitama finds himself repeatedly encountering weaker monsters while the more powerful enemies fight elsewhere. The villain of the arc is instead a shrewd mastermind who hatches a plan to attempt to erode Saitama's faith in being a Hero to get him to quit rather than face him head on. in this case a returning Doctor Genus. The Series had a sequel with Mob Psycho 100.

Art by Meruz on Tumblr

X-Men: Hero Academy(2015-)
Born out of a partnership between Marvel and several Anime studios and Manga artists. The most famous of these was X-Men: Hero Academy. Kōhei Horikoshi was a Japanese artist that moved to America. He idolized Marvel Comics and got the change to work there, revitalizing swindling sales on the X-Men books by adding more focus to the Students and explanations as to how the Xavier Institute functioned while also introducing several new characters into the world that soon became icons in their own right. Naturally, it seemed only fitting that Horikoshi work on bringing his characters to life in the form of an Anime as well. The series follows Izuku Midoriya, a boy who idolizes superheroes but does not possess the Mutant gene. He tries to train himself to superhuman levels but fails at that too. Then on one faithful day he risks his own life despite lacking superpowers and the Hero All-Might begins to train Izuku as his successor, planning to pass on his powers. Izuku then attends the newly built Japanese branch of the Xavier Institute, which shares a campus with Avengers Academy, a portion introduced to tie into the growing focus of the Avengers in the Marvel Movies. The Anime adaptation began airing on Toonami soon after the second season was halfway completed. The show also had a crossover with Little Witch Academia.

Aggretsuko(2016-2018)
An Animated Comedy series featuring a female red panda encountering many of the problems faced by young adults in 21st century Japan.

UQ Holder(2017)
The Sequel to Mahou Sensei Negima! following the next generation of characters obtaining the UQ Holder abilities and helping to resolve several plotlines(OTL the series was a stealth sequel).

Little Witch Academia(2017-)
A series following students at Luna Nova Academy for Witches. The series aired on Toonami instead of on Netflix and Currently has a crossover special with Hero Academy, the plot of which involves a student exchange program.

FLCL(2018)
Another Gainax series, FLCL also received a faithful continuation(A series of shows such as Mai-Otome Zwei were not made, mostly due to excessive and pointless Fanservice and plot points that make no sense within the context of the series).

Persona 5 The Animation (2018-2019)
Persona 5 The Animation has double the episodes of OTL so the series is not rushed through while the animation is also better and smoother while expanding a bit on the characters and interactions, especially Yuuki Mishima. The protagonist Joker is portrayed much like in the game though with the more humorous choices being taken along with better establishing his character relations (such as calling Ryuji his right-hand man and best friend, a parallel to the friend of Yu and Yosuke back in P4 and a sisterly relation with Ann, etc).

Cells at Work(2018-2021)
Based on the manga by Akane Shimizu that ran from 2015 to 2021. The Anime is set in a human body and follows personifications of the body's defences fighting evil. It's basically Osmosis Jones as an Anime. The final boss of the manga is a battle with Cancer.

Demonslayer(2019-)
Based on the Manga by Koyoharu Gotouge. Tanjiro Kamado comes home discover a demon has killed his entire family except for his sister Nezuko, who has been turned into a Demon herself, barely resisting the urge to feast on human flesh. Tanjiro vows to train to become a Demon Slayer and avenger his family as well as find a way to cure Nezuko.​

 

[techno]

Nice, this is good. Are you going to go into more detail for video games, movies, internet, etc?

 

[Marco Incognito]

Nice, this is good. Are you going to go into more detail for video games, movies, internet, etc?

Oh yeah. I'm going alphabetical now(as in by Genre so Anime was first), but since Star Wars was requested I will probably post Yu-Gi-Oh and Naruto(last two Anime bits) and then skip to Star Wars.I'm currently also working on Comics but that's taking a bit as a lot of changes happen, specifically very early on in the medium(To hint at it there's a very early Superman story that completely changes his status quo but the publisher rejected it, having that story actually be published means a lot of things change due to the Butterfly effect).

 

[techno]

I'm excited for what you have in store. Also, I think you should format your text and separate them a bit more for your more detailed post because sometimes, it hurts to read the big block of text.

 

[Marco Incognito]

As I mentioned before I'm not as familiar as Yu-Gi-Oh so a lot of this is from Count DVB's post on Pop Culture Utopias.​

Yu-Gi-Oh(2000-2004)​

Yu-Gi-Oh was a dark Manga. There is no mistaking that. The author Kazuki Takahashi created a series inspired by Hellraiser, which had the spirit of the pharoah torturing people by making them play games with supernatural elements. The Card games part was only a small portion that became unexpectedly popular, leading to its incorporation into the Anime. As a result the Anime is viewed as better written than the Manga while adhering to it and the rules it would set out for itself(such as level and type requirements).

Season One follows Yugi Muto, a boy who completes an ancient egyptian artifact known as the Millennium Puzzle and gains a split personality spirit. Yugi defeats Seto Kaiba in a duel and is offered by the creator of the game Duel Monsters, Maximillion Pegasus, to compete. Pegasus has another millennium item, the Millennium Eye in his posession and uses it to trap the soul of Yugi's grandfather. Yugi is joined by his friends Joey Wheeler, Tristan Taylor, and Téa Gardner. Of particular note is the ascension of Joey into a more prominent role at the cost of maintaining Seto Kaiba as an antagonist. Joey even duels Kaiba and while he loses, his performance is impressive and actually pushes Kaiba.

In Season Two, Yugi learns that the spirit dwelling inside him is a nameless Pharaoh from ancient Egypt. Yugi and friends then enter the Battle City Tournament to obtain three Egyptian God Cards and learn more about the Pharaoh's past. Other Millennium item wielders appear with Joe surprisingly be able to defeat Yami Marik in a duel.

Season Three dives into Kaiba's past with the new antagonist being Noah, who traps the protagonists in a virtual world and has a connection to Kaiba's family.

In Season 4, a group known as the Order of Orichalcos was introduced which was draining the power of the Egyptian God cards and gathering souls to revive the ancient dragon Leviathan. In the climax, the Pharaoh was given the seal but chose not to use it. Many older characters returned and Mai, remained on the side of the protagonists. More of the side characters were able to contribute as a result.

For the 5th and Final Season, Yugi and friends entered the KaibaCorp Grand Championship. The KaibaCorp Grand Prix showed off very different duels and skillsets for the characters and introduced Siegfried, a counterpart to Kaiba and in many ways his opposite., being politer, though his darker nature was eventually revealed. Ryuo Bakura, owner of the Millennium Ring became possessed by a dark spirit in the ring. Yugi and friends are sent into the past, allowing the Pharaoh to battle Bakura and his evil essence. The series ended in a battle between Yugi and the Pharaoh. A duel which Yugi managed to win.

The Yu-Gi-Oh! anime adaptation avoided filler arcs(something true overall of the Anime Genre), most of this due to following the Manga closer, resulting in the better treatment of the Joey/Jonuchi character and a more evil Kaiba. No Changes existed to the plot, setting or characters, keeping the introduction of Duke intact. The Manga meanwhile ended at Chapter 343(A Toei Yu-Gi-Oh anime was cancelled and another, Yu-Gi-Oh! The Dark Side of Dimensions, was abandoned).

Yu-Gi-Oh! GX(2004-2008)
Yu-Gi-Oh GX continued the trend of maintaining an involved cast of supporting characters such as Bastion, who served as a foil of sorts to Jaden and his right hand man Syrus(Jess Anderson does not exist ITL).. Bastion was able to complete his prime deck in a new form. As with other duelists in the series, his deck maintained a theme.

In Season one, we were introduced to the Wicked God Cards, created in a horrific attempt to recreate the Egyptian God Cards, only to create cards which drained the life force of their uses. The Cards could not be destroyed and so were sealed away under the school, the season kicking off when the keys to the vault containing the cards at the Duel Academy begin to be stolen, evidently by the arc antagonists, the Shadow Riders, who are former duel academy students, though there continues to be a mystery as to their identities and goals, which is unraveled over time. The Duelists would need to be defeated to get the key back. Atticus joins the protagonists as the Duelists are implied to be missing students and he has genuine concern for the students endangering themselves to return the keys. Camilla is not a vampire but rather a woman with gothic tastes while maintaining a monster themed deck. She is defeated by Zane. Tania has a deck built on the physically strongest cards and is defeated by Bastion in a battle of wits. The mastermind is revealed to be the co creator of the Wicked cards who wanted them for himself before they were sealed away.

In Season Two, Aster defeats Jaden, remaining more of an anti-hero(the Destiny Heroes have different names). Syrus has a different deck. A now older Blair joins the cast and rises as students begin to gravitate towards the Society of Light, which includes Alexis and Chazz. Syrus becomes a resistance leader of sorts, Bastion joins the group but as a spy to pass information to Jaden. Jaden and Blair grow closer together while Syrus tries to rescue Zane from their internal turmoil. Blair's desk relies on "Silent Magician" as the ace up the sleeve. Bastion is promoted to an Obelisk Blue after a duel against Aster Phoenix that ends in a draw.

In Season Three, the focus is on the Duel World where Blair is possessed by Yubei. Syrus realizes he's been acting negatively towards his friends and works to be better, something Alexis is already working towards.This aids in rescuing Jaden from being consumed by the darkness and Blair helps save Yubel. This culminates in several monsters being combined in the final battle in Fusion forms. Bastion graduates at the conclusion of the season, though still appears.

Season four has Jaden recover with Blair's help. Time has passed and everyone has grown. Bastion now has a beard. As a carry over form last season the protagonists work better together now, having several tag team moves and using Fusion Monsters. In the end everyone graduates and remains friends as Bastion had done. Jaden is shown encountering and having a duel with Yugi, the outcome of which is left vague. An epilogue shows the cast as adults now having taken positions at the Duel Academy, Bastion acting as Headmaster.

Yu-Gi-Oh! GX had a movie: Yu-Gi-Oh! vs. GX. Which is a crossover between the two series, having the casts meet and Duel.

Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's(2008-2012)
Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's was well received by fans of the franchise, especially those who have been sticking with it since at least the beginning of the new series. The Crimson Dragon and the Nazca elements were much more focused on. Carly and Jack get together. When the series ended, Carly's voice actress was discovered to be involved in a doomsday cult much like the one in the anime that was making headlines in Japan at the time. Konami, trying to salvage their PR (as in Japan this incident would seriously hurt the company's reputation), fired her. This led to the closing of that portion of the story.

The Yu-Gi-Oh anime as it is recognized, ends up more-or-less finishing with 5DS, A crossover film is made combining all three franchises, and has a three way fusion of the main monsters used by the protagonists. The last arc was the Dark Signer Arc.​

 

[techno]

Can you threadmark this?
Edit: oh thanks
Edit2: Can you sometimes add images to your post like the first few post that you did?

 

[Marco Incognito]

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Another Count DVB based entry.​

Naruto and Sasuke have their final fight.
Naruto(2002-2007)​

Based on the Manga created by Masahi Kishimoto. The series was adapted as Naruto before transitioning into Naruto Shippuden. Naruto was a big hit. A highlight was the protagonist's defeat of Kiba in honorable combat(the victory came from an accidental fart OTL). Other moments were Itachi's death by Sasuke's hands. Changes began to take place in the second half of the series. The development of Naruto and Sakura's relationship began after the Pain arc while she was tending to his wounds. Naruto admitted to not knowing anything about love. Sakura vowed to be a better friend and underwent more character development.

Naruto Shippuden(2007-2010)
The Invasion Arc's anime rendition, namely Shippuden episode 167 was massively praised. This is due to the show ending at Naruto returning to Konoha after dealing with Pain. The anime successfully makes it feel like a series ending in episode 175 thanks to its use of "Departure to the Front Lines" over a series of flashbacks regarding what Naruto accomplished throughout the series until that point, as well as the villagers slowly warming up to Naruto along the way. The Gender vague Haku is also revealed to be a girl.

Naruto Z(2010-2013)
A sequel series was later released. In that series Karin is revealed to be an Uzumaki and the Konoha 11 receive more attention. Sasuke undergoes a redemption arc after nearly dying, going against Tobi. Danzo attempts to seal away Tobi, dying in the process. Sakura and Naruto have one of a handful of rematches throughout the series though the two collapse as Sakura arrives to heal them, they then began laughing.

The Fourth Shinobi War begins(shorter than OTL). Jiraiya is killed and the deaths of all capable of resurrection Jutsu means he cannot be brought back. Naruto and for that matter many character due not gain the same level of power they do OTL, relying more on skill and other factors to emerge victorious.The Obito reveal is different. Madara took him and molded him in a form of possession as well, which is broken when Obito sees Kakashi again, allowing him to break free and aid in the climactic battle before dying in a massive group attack on Madara, with Naruto finishing off the villain before collapsing exhausted. After Naruto has recovered, he and Sasuke have their final showdown, their most brutal to date. Sakura once again arrives to heal them but can only heal one and chooses Naruto. Sakura lives long enough to say goodbye before passing away.

A few OVAs are made diving into the backstory of the characters and some which show the characters as adults.

Naruto The Last still has Toneri as a villain though he is made more sympathetic compared to OTL. Toneri is the last member of the Otutsuki clan, who was sealed away by his father Hamura in the hopes of saving him since Toneri was born sick. He is a counterpart to Naruto in a way who awoke during the Fourth Shinobi War. Naruto and Sakura attempt to greatly care for the emotionally troubled Toneri.

When it comes to Boruto. Boruto's personality is different, likely due to having Sakura as a mother and he is a lot like his dad. The rest of the cast is also different, though Mitsuki is in a way the new Sasuke, being an orphan much like him. Technology has advanced only somewhat by realistic standards compared to the original series(Chakra power crossbows and weapons remain). Boruto also begins with no clear goal, unlike his father and the series follows his quest to find meaning in his life.

Naruto Gaiden was not written.​

 

[Marco Incognito]

Can you threadmark this?
Edit: oh thanks
Edit2: Can you sometimes add images to your post like the first few post that you did?

I plan to but since a lot of this is What ifs or cancelled Projects being realized it is a bit difficult to find images that correspond with the Altered versions. For example the Gundam Movie has some storyboards that are shown. Harmony Gold just by accident became a big player due to the What ifs in real life and the desire to see them do more led to those wishes manifesting in the company rising up, so having their logo was justified and Tuxedo Masks' cameo in Yu Yu Hakusho just worked from the stand point of being a screenshot from a crossover.

 

[Marco Incognito]

Red,Green and Blue, the Protagonists of the first three Games.

Pokemon

Pokemon: Red, Blue and Green(1996)
Satoshi Tajiri recalled his childhood collecting bugs. As urbanization grew, he saw more children play at home as the insect population decreased, giving him the idea for Pocket Monsters. The Pokémon series officially began with the release of the video games Pocket Monsters Red, Blue, and Green. Green was released outside of Japan though this nearly didn't happen due the music in Lavender town causing headaches before being rectified resulting in the game's slight delay before release(This gave rise to Creepy Pastas centering around the female Pokemon Trainer Green and a haunted version of the game). Red had some changes, there is a girl protagonist option, and a battle against the Elite Four and Professor Oak after completing the whole pokedex. There are also minor differences such as Machamp wearing underwear(rather than being a part of his body).

Pokemon: Yellow(1998)
Another game, Pokémon Yellow was released not only to use the new color palette of the Game Boy Color, but also to cross promote the newly premiered Anime. Fans even realized that one could follow the Anime Protagonist Ash's moves in the series and use those moves to progress through the game, besides the addition of RNG. There are also RGB events, and a battle against Team Rocket on the SS Anne.

Starting in 1997, The Pokemon anime had considerable changes. The Kanto arc had Ash fight Giovanni personally before the League competition. At some point Giovanni refers him as Delia´s son, hinting that Giovanni knows his mother, while Giovanni would lose, he would manage to escape authorities. It's also during this battle that Ash learns to control his Charizard. Then the league starts. Ash reaches the finals, defeating Gary. Following this, Ash challenges the Elite Four (Lorelei, Bruno, Agatha, Lance) before challenging the champion...Who turns out to be Professor Oak. Despite the intense match, Ash would lose, but Oak would promise him a rematch some time later.

The Orange Islands arc showed that the Gym Leaders already recognize Ash due to their earlier matches. The episode A Tent Situation would remain mostly unchanged, but also reveal that during the Orange Islands arc, Gary defeated Oak in a battle, thus becoming the champion, and the episode Rivalry Revival (not the Orange Islands finale) would conclude the Ash vs Gary battle with Ash´s victory. Ash would fight Oak in the final episode, named "Ash vs Oak, the Rematch", which would lead to Ash´s victory. Instead of handing the pokeball to Ash, Oak would mention that he would need to talk with a friend in the Johto region.

The changes started becoming more noticeable starting after Johto. The "Ash" Saga concluded with Pokemon 2000, though Ash and other characters continued to make multiple appearances including a third and final film starring Ash in Spell of the Unknown. The rest of the Anime follows a different cast based on the protagonists of the then recent gamed, one male and one female based on the two choices.

The Johto arc would involve the Pokemon Trainer Jimmy and his friends Marina and Vincent as protagonists, whom would often be challenged by the trainer Kamon as the rival. Legend of Thunder was made as a three parter episode during the season. Casey would still be a minor rival. At the end Jimmy would fight on the Johto League against Kamon, barely winning, but being able to go through the Johto Elite Four, composed of Will, Koga, Bruno, Karen, with Lance as the champion. The Johto arc would also serve as conclusion of the GS ball arc, in the 4-parter episode "Encounter Beyond Time", on which it would be revealed that Celebi was inside the GS ball due to time travel schenanigans involving a young Oak and a rogue Team Rocket Member known as Vicious.

The English dub of the Sun and Moon based portion included Kelly MacDonald and Evan McGuire to voice the protagonists, due to the game's region of Galar being based on Great Britain. The art style remains consistent.

Within the Pokemon films there is a large gap between Kyurem vs. The Sword of Justice and Pokémon: I Choose You!​

 

[techno]

I plan to but since a lot of this is What ifs or cancelled Projects being realized it is a bit difficult to find images that correspond with the Altered versions. For example the Gundam Movie has some storyboards that are shown. Harmony Gold just by accident became a big player due to the What ifs in real life and the desire to see them do more led to those wishes manifesting in the company rising up, so having their logo was justified and Tuxedo Masks' cameo in Yu Yu Hakusho just worked from the stand point of being a screenshot from a crossover.

I get your point. This is a good end to the anime section.Next is Star Wars right? oh, and could you please slow down to 1 or 2 post per day because too many posts might overwhelm the reader and possibly leave you burnt out.

 

[Marco Incognito]

I get your point. This is a good end to the anime section.Next is Star Wars right? oh, and could you please slow down to 1 or 2 post per day because too many posts might overwhelm the reader and possibly leave you burnt out.

Yeah I'll jump to covering Star Wars before i move onto Comic book history. I can't speak for the reader, but I had a lot of these privately written out already. Aside from the Star Wars stuff I still have a lot to write so content really will slow down for a bit until I finish.

 

[techno]

Yeah I'll jump to covering Star Wars before i move onto Comic book history. I can't speak for the reader, but I had a lot of these privately written out already. Aside from the Star Wars stuff I still have a lot to write so content really will slow down for a bit until I finish.

Oh, one more thing, you dont have to do this, but when you make the Star wars section, can you make the duels look like SC 38 Reimagined from Youtube or overall just make the lightsaber duels less sluggish and more fast paced for the original trilogy?

 

[Marco Incognito]

Oh, one more thing, you dont have to do this, but when you make the Star wars section, can you make the duels look like SC 38 Reimagined from Youtube or overall just make the lightsaber duels less sluggish and more fast paced for the original trilogy?

...Sort of. The technology for fights like that didn't exist back in 1977, though it can be slightly better in other ways like Choreography . However by the time we get the time frame of the Sequel movies and the Mandolorian...absolutely the fights can look like SC 38.

 

[TheBalkanizer]

I hope you rewrite the sequels and prequels

 

[Marco Incognito]

The rewrite of the Prequels is a combination of Banditincorporated and Belated Media's takes.

Image from Kurt Russell's audition Tape for Han Solo.

Star Wars
"A Long Long Time from Now.
In a Galaxy Far Far Away"
-Opening line of Every Star Wars film.

George Lucas approached Disney with his pitch for initially American Graffiti. However Disney preferred his other ideas, presumably because Walt was working on ideas to prevent Tomorrow Land and Epcot from becoming outdated in a few short decades as technology marched on, which is why Disney suggested the change to imply Star Wars was set in the future rather than the past as Lucas intended(though the vague wording also makes it possible it could be set in the future). Disney offered to fund American Graffiti in exchange for supporting Lucas's Star Wars. It was a gambit that payed off. Star Wars was an unrivaled success, going onto win Best Picture that year. The film began with the capture of Princess Leia(Carrie Fisher). Two droids named R2D2 and C-3PO escape(Kenny Baker and Anthony Daniels). They come into the possession of Luke Skywalker(Mark Hamill) and go out in search of the Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi(Toshiro Mifune). The two hired two smugglers, Han Solo(Kurt Russell) and Chewbacca(Peter Mayhew). The group rescues Princess Leia from the Death Star in space, but Obi-Wan is killed by Darth Vader(James Earle Jones). The others regroup with the rebel race and launch an attack that successfully destroys the Death Star.

Following the success of Star Wars, George Lucas was approached by De Laurentiis to direct the Flash Gordon film, attracted by Star Wars winning the Oscar for best picture. Directing a Flash Gordon film was Lucas's lifelong dream and he accepted. He reluctantly left Disney and the Star Wars license behind but the door was left open for him to return. He would pass directing the Star Wars Sequel Empire Strikes Back to his film school mentor Irvin Kershner. Control of his company Lucasfilm was handed to his longtime business partner Gary Kurtz in Lucas's absence.

Gary Kurtz
Disney released touched up versions of the films years later to improve the film quality, but changed very little else(Han still shoots first). With Lucas's blessing, an original copy of the film now resides in the Library of Congress. Kurtz cancelled Lucas's plans for a Star Wars Holiday Special(though the designs including those of the Wookies, their homeworld of Kashyyk and the Bounty Hunter Boba Fett he liked well enough to save, later incorporating them into the films proper).

George Lucas's Flash Gordon, though with a different cast.
George Lucas's Flash Gordon had many factors working against it. The first was the release of a Porn Parody titled Flesh Gordon, which made it harder to take the actual product seriously. The Second was Lucas being forced to overhaul parts of the film, including actors. He kept those such as Timothy Dalton and Brian Blessed along with the soundtrack by Queen, but he recast the star as Harrison Ford. Lucas had liked his audition for Han Solo, but the part had ultimately gone to Kurt Russell. This was a blessing for Russell as he hoped to break free of being typecast as a Disney kid. Surprisingly it actually worked. The changes made by Lucas were largely to cut down the comedy and make it a more of a Scifi-fantasy series. He also removed elements such as Flash Gordon's golden football. The Character of Ming the Merciless had been a target of the Chinese "Cultural Revolution", an effort by Chinese creators to rewrite Western created characters to be less offensive with the added rule that the characters must maintain their allignments and remain evil if they were evil and good if they were good. Fu Manchu, the Yellow Claw, the Mandarin, and Ming the Merciless were all subjected to this. With Ming it was easier. He was an alien and so he was given a more alien appearance, something which Lucas immediately grabbed onto in his portrayal.

Before Empire Strikes Back , two continuations existed that are contenders for the first example of Expanded Universe material. Alan Dean Foster, the ghostwriter of the novelization, wrote a sequel that could be adapted if the original Star Wars bombed called Splinter in the Mind's Eye. There was also a Marvel Comics series adaptation and continuation. Empire Strikes Back was written by Sci Fi Author Leigh Brackett, who created several iconic elements such as Luke's new mentor being a crazy old man, Obi-Wan returning as a ghost, the Emperor being a true villain, and Luke having a sister(while leaving it vague as to who it was). Brackett did however accept the twist that Vader was Luke's father.

Empire Strikes Back
1980 was ironically a year which saw a Lucas Film vs a Lucasfilm as Flash Gordon and Empire Strikes Back clashed at the box office. Flash Gordon, while a decent film, was defeated by the second Star Wars film. The reception proved to Lucas he was an average director when not collaborating with other brilliant directors. Lucas chose to take a more of a Behind the scenes role along with his wife Marcia Lucas, who had won an Academy Award for her film editing in American Graffiti and a BAFTA Award for her editing in Taxi Driver. Lucas did occasionally provide lore and ideas, which Gary Kurtz, the new head of Lucasfilm, one of the few people willing to say no to Lucas, was free to use or discard at his leisure.

Irvin Kershner, Empire's director, did not want to commit to another film after three years of working on the previous film. Kurtz approached Steven Spielberg, Lucas's choice, who was more than happy to(OTL Lucas had not credited Irvin Kershner for Empire, breaking DGA rules and preventing Spielberg from directing. Kurtz did not make this mistake). Other Directors approached were David Lynch, David Cronenberg, and Paul Verhoeven, all of which turned the role down, having styles too different to direct(Verhoeven commented if he did direct the Jedi would immediately start Fucking). Kurtz was unhappy with Lucas's pitch for the story. Lucas wanted a joyous celebration while Kurtz wanted an ending that was bittersweet but poignant. Lucas's take was driven by toy sales and not good storytelling which Kurtz saw as "the Cart trying to push the Horse".

Revenge of the Jedi
The plot of Revenge of the Jedi begins with R2D2, Leia, C3PO and Lando breaking into Jabba's palace to rescue the captive Han(while a dramatic situation, Han's fate was conceived because of Kurt Russell's agent demanding a costly amount to bring him back, leading to the agent's eventual firing by Russell). When Leia is captured, she summons rebel forces to attack Jabba's palace and rescue Han. Han however has doubts about continuing to aid the rebellion and plans on leaving until he hears that the Empire is converting the Wookie homeworld of Kashyyk into a new capital, Had Abbadon, a process which includes a form of terraforming to wipe out the forests on the planet. The Rebels infiltrate the Capitol while Luke goes off on his own to confront Vader. The battle on Kashyyk features the Wookies, including Chewbacca's family, attacking Stormtroopers. Han and Lando have a final battle with Boba Fett(who while having a minor role was quite popular and later advertised as Han Solo's nemesis), where Han is wounded but Lando is able to reach the Millennium Falcon and fire on Boba Fett, who appears to explode, his flaming empty helmet landing on the ground. The wounded Han sacrifices himself in the explosion that destroys the Empire's terraforming machine The Empire is defeated without the Planet's destruction. Luke defeats Darth Vader, and while the Emperor nearly kills him, Vader has a change of heart and kills the Emperor, dying soon after saying his goodbyes to Luke. Luke returns and he, Leia and Lando mourn Han's passing. In the Epilogue, Leia is revealed to be pregnant(implied to be with Han's child) and now has the difficulty of restoring order in the Empire's absence. Luke meanwhile walked off into the sunset, like the cowboys of old. And with that, The Star Wars trilogy came to a close.​

 

[TheBalkanizer]

Very interesting though I must say your rewrites have some problems imho. I can help with that though if you want

 

[Marco Incognito]

Very interesting though I must say your rewrites have some problems imho. I can help with that though if you want

Alright. Let's hear your suggestions for changes and I'll see how they could be put in.

 

[TheBalkanizer]

In Revenge of the Jedi, you have Luke and Leia becoming romantically involved (I like that Leia is not Lukes's sister tho) but then in the Sequels you have Mara being Lukes's love interest. I think it would be cool if Mara was the "Other" Yoda spoke about. You could even make Mara Obi Wan's daughter.
I'd leave Dooku out of your prequels. I like that you mesh Belated media and Bandit incorporated but that leads to some contradiction/pacing problems IMO. Also, Ventress should be human and Mauls apprentice/Adopted daughter. Obi-Wan and Talon should fall in love and have Mara and then lose her somehow with Ventress dying in the process. Yoda knows Mara still lives but does not tell Obi-Wan for some reason I can't figure out right now.
Also, Maul should die like he did in Banditincorporated with his spine ripped out, not survive AGAIN.
As for the sequels, I think Snoke and the First order are not really explained at all. I think Snoke should be maybe a Jedi who was captured by the Vong experimented on and then went mad. Also, I think Ben Skywalker should be Ben SOLO (conceived right before the battle on Kashyyk)
I still really like your ideas tho. I'm picturing Flash Gordon saying "I don't like sand"

 

[Marco Incognito]

In Revenge of the Jedi, you have Luke and Leia becoming romantically involved (I like that Leia is not Lukes's sister tho) but then in the Sequels you have Mara being Lukes's love interest. I think it would be cool if Mara was the "Other" Yoda spoke about. You could even make Mara Obi Wan's daughter.
I'd leave Dooku out of your prequels. I like that you mesh Belated media and Bandit incorporated but that leads to some contradiction/pacing problems IMO. Also, Ventress should be human and Mauls apprentice/Adopted daughter. Obi-Wan and Talon should fall in love and have Mara and then lose her somehow with Ventress dying in the process. Yoda knows Mara still lives but does not tell Obi-Wan for some reason I can't figure out right now.
Also, Maul should die like he did in Banditincorporated with his spine ripped out, not survive AGAIN.
As for the sequels, I think Snoke and the First order are not really explained at all. I think Snoke should be maybe a Jedi who was captured by the Vong experimented on and then went mad. Also, I think Ben Skywalker should be Ben SOLO (conceived right before the battle on Kashyyk)
I still really like your ideas tho. I'm picturing Flash Gordon saying "I don't like sand"

Ok let's see. First off Luke and Leia kind of drift off in Irvin Kirschner's original vision, with Leia focusing on rebuilding the Republic and Luke the Order, and then in comes Mara Jade. Jade being "The Other" is cool, especially since without the reveal of Leia's heritage than it would go nowhere, so it would be an answer we wait until the sequel trilogy to discover. Not sure about making it Obi-Wan's daughter though
I want to keep Dooku in largely because of the great Christoper Lee, though maybe given another name since Dooku is mocked sometimes, I'm not sure what it would be but "Dracu" is too on the nose. I think maybe he'd just be Darth Tyrannus. His role is actually exactly the same as in the original prequel trilogy where he reveals to Obi-Wan there is a traitor but doesn't know where it is. He's just more willing to betray Darth Sidious outright. So I don't see contradictions here.
Ventress being human I disagree with, and she takes the role of Talon, who's not even a character. Mara being their child makes no sense from a geneology standpoint. Darth Maul does not die the same way for two reasons, one, that death would not be approved for a PG rating by anyone and two, Maul's death in Rebels was actually quite poignant. My actual plan is that scene actually takes place in Episode 3 after a leap forward of a few years, with Maul confronting Obi-Wan and being killed.
Introducing the Yuuzhan Vong as the Prequel Series antagonists could be interesting and that as his origin isn't bad. Making Ben a Solo is a bit tricky as for one he would have had to have been introduced in the alternate version of Timothy Zhan's trilogy, making him more likely to be a Jacen Solo stand in, and making his age close to 30.
Flash Gordon could say I don't like Sand, though given in the original film he almost dies in a Swamp to a monster, the line could be "I don't like Swamps...they're wet, sticky...and it gets everywhere"(Also spawns a few memes about Flash Gordon and Luke Skywalker running into each other in a Swamp).

 

[Marco Incognito]

Heir to the Empire
While Star Wars had concluded, the franchise found other ways to continue to survive. West End published the Star Wars roleplaying Game, which required much more of the world to be fleshed out, such as the Aurabesh alphabet to become an actual alphabet when it had previously been only a piece of set design. The Roleplay guide soon became a reference to other Expanded Universe writers. Boba Fett being Han Solo's nemesis was something first brought up in the Roleplay Game. Kurtz prevented the creation of both a Holiday Special and a Droids Animated Series(Any Ewoks material does not come into existence due to the Ewoks not existing ITL). Video Games adaptations did exist of the Star Wars films, though the creation of the Games was held back until the technology reached a level where Kurtz considered Games ready, as a result there are no slow and simple Atari Game. Instead the first Star Wars Games was the Super Star Wars Series, the first installment of which was released in 1992. All Three Games were later released together in a pack. The games were such a success(despite their high difficulty). They received two sequels based on the later two Trilogies but maintaining the "Nintendo Hard" difficulty they were known for.

The 1990's saw the release of the Second Star Wars trilogy adapting Timothy Zahn's Dark Empire Trilogy of novels. Kurtz had become aware of two planned continuations, Timothy Zahn's novel series and Dark Horse's Dark Empire series. Kurtz encouraged them to collaborate. Zahn thus altered his plans for his first book Heir to the Empire. Originally he featured a character called Jorus C'baoth, an evil Jedi cloned by new antagonist Grand Admiral Thrawn and wanting to train Luke in the Dark Side. This was replaced by the return of the Emperor, here a clone with the same motivation as C'baoth in the original concept. Zahn disliked the concept of resurrecting the Emperor, believing it undermined his death in Revenge of the Jedi, but decided to take the request as a challenge. The Emperor Clone in his story is falling apart and unstable, practically a walking corpse, making it clear it would not live long. This allowed the attention to shift towards C'Baoth as the true Dark Side wielder and physical force(played by Toshiro Mifune, and being implied to be a clone of Obi-Wan). This ironically made the Emperor a puppet or figurehead, which is what Lucas originally viewed him as before he was convinced to make rewrites. Luke feigned joining the Emperor to betray and defeat him. The arc also introduced two popular characters in Star Wars, Mara Jade and Grand Admiral Thrawn. Jade was an assassin who would reform and eventually marry Luke over the course of the trilogy. Thrawn was an expert strategist(Based on Nazi Tactician Erwin Rommel with Admiral Ackbar taking a role close to Rommel's Nemesis Patton), leading the Empire to near Victory from the ashes of defeat. Canonically the trilogy took place from 9 to 10 A.B.Y(after the Battle of Yavin). Leia's son Ben is nine years old in the trilogy.

The novel series and trilogy consisted of Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising and The Last Command. It is remembered fondly, excluding some bizarre moments such as a clone of Luke Skywalker which is made by the villains and killed by Mara Jade(technically fulfilling her mission of killing Luke Skywalker)along with C'Baoth, though it does provide a dramatic moment wherein the real Luke arrives while the clone Luke is present and naturally causes the now cliche confusion. On Wookiepedia, he is labeled as simply Luke Skywalker Clone despite fans trying to come up with names for him including Luke 2, Luke Starkiller, and so on. Kurtz prevented the book's release in favor of adapting the series into films and not having it be spoiled. The new trilogy was a success, being adapted throughout the 90's with the books being released after every film installment to avoid spoilers. Kurtz is said to have bought every copy of each book to prevent spoilers(As Hitchcock had done with Psycho). The Films of the Sequel Trilogy were released in 1991, 1994 and 1997(OTL the Zahn Trilogy was released between 1991 and 1994. Star Wars movies with the exception of the OTL Sequel Trilogy, take 3 years apart to make such as 1977,1980, and 1983 for the Original Trilogy and 1999,2002 and 2005 for the Prequel Trilogy).

While there were the inevitable adaptations, including the X-Wing and Tie Fighter games(which were the precursors to the Rogue Squadron series), Kurtz also forbade any new stories involving the Star Wars cast until the Thrawn Trilogy concluded. Once it had, Dark Horse began publishing Tales of the Jedi about the Old republic set 4,000 years before the events of the main series. Not only was Dark Horse allowed to write stories without guidelines or the constraints of movie continuity but this era would rise in popularity, leading to a series of MMORPG games set in that period.

The 1996 media project Shadows of the Empire was released. Instead of a sequel, it was a midquel, set between both Star Wars and Empire Strikes Back and Empire Strikes Back and Revenge of The Jedi at times. The series was told across media, including a novel, a comic and a Video Game. The protagonist was Kyle Katarn, previously used in the video game series Dark Forces. Katarn was a former Imperial spy mentioned as having helped stolen the Death Star plans(A story mentioned but not told until 2018's Rogue One). In the video game Dark Forces, set prior to Revenge of the Jedi, Katarn battles Jabba the Hutt, Boba Fett and finally the game's antagonist Prince Xicor. Katarn is established as just learning he is force sensitive, a reason to allow Katarn access to both smuggler weapons and force abilities for gameplay purposes. He is seen as a cross between Han Solo and Luke Skywalker, or at least the answer to "What if Han Solo was the force sensitive one instead of Luke?". Many fans even see him as a replacement Goldfish for Han, given Han's death at the end of Revenge of the Jedi. For the Comic and Novel formats of Shadows of the Empire, the original cast are the focus while the game is Katarn's perspective. The Game ends with what appears to be Katarn's death in Xicor's fortress, though a special ending of the game unlocked when obtaining all collectibles results in an extra scene in which Katarn is shown to be alive(Obviously there's been a few composites here due to Kurtz streamlining stories. Namely fusing Timothy Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy with Dark Empire and Shadows of the Empire with Dark Forces. As a consequence Kyle Katarn is now a composite of his OTL self and Dash Rendar in addition to having some Han Solo inspiration, which is more welcome in this timeline seeing as how Han Solo is dead).

Prior to the release of the Prequel Trilogy, the Expanded Universe was limited to around the time of the original Series and 4,000 years prior in the New Republic Era. The Prequel Era and therefore most of the backstory of the franchise were forbidden from being written on until their completion unless they were specific official projects. The New Jedi order Series focused on the Jedi being trained by Luke Skywalker and was set 25 to 30 years after the original film. It introduced the Yuuzhan Vong, a race from outside the Galaxy as a new threat. Writer R.A. Salvatore intended to kill off a character to prove the Yuuzhan Vong were a credible threat. Since Han Solo had been killed, the choice was made to kill Chewbacca. In Video Games, nostalgia for the Prequel Trilogy remained strong, with the release of The Star Wars Trilogy Arcade. Elements from the Expanded Universe made their way to the films such as the introduction of Coruscant from the Dark Empire trilogy and Jedi Aayla Secura introduced in the Republic Comic Series.​