Trying to Please Everyone: Or Converting multiple Pop Culture Utopias into a Timeline.

History of the Marvel Universe(The Bronze Age): 1970-1984
History of the Marvel Universe: The Bronze Age(1970-1984)
In 1971, the United States Department of Health, Education, and Welfare asked Marvel editor-in-chief to create a story about drug abuse. The result was a three part Spider-Man storyline covering Harry Osborn's drug addiction. The Comics Code Authority refused to approve it but it was ran by Lee and Goodman regardless. The United States Department of Health also backed the story. This directly undermined the authority of the CCA and would lead to its eventual downfall.

Goodman retired in 1972 and installed his son, Chip, as publisher, only for Stan Lee to succeed him and become Marvel's President. Lee began to appoint creators to important roles such as Roy Thomas. It was Thomas's idea to add the phrase "Stan Lee Presents" to the opening of each book. Under Lee, the company began to expand its content to include Horror(Tomb of Dracula), Kung Fu(Shang-Chi: Master of Kung Fu and Iron Fist), sword and sorcery(Conan the Barbarian and Red Sonja), comedy(Howard the Duck) and science fiction ( the licensed 2001: A Space Odyssey, "Killraven" in Amazing Adventures, Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek, and later the long-running Star Wars series). Marvel therefore gained a reputation for their licensed properties and how they were included in the Marvel Universe canon.

In 1974, Goodman established his own company upon leaving Marvel called Seaboard Periodicals and created a new line using the old Atlas name, but this didn't last very long. Marvel, following a decline in newsstand distribution, cut ties with distributors and focused on Comic Book shops, averting the cancellation of the cult hit Howard the Duck. Comic Book Shops began to eclipse Newsstands. Marvel also began to enter into radio series and Audio Books, many of which were narrated by Stan Lee and adapted classic stories.

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Marvelcon, 1975

Marvel held its own Comic Convention, Marvelcon, in 1975. At the event, Stan Lee revealed that Jack Kirby was returning to Marvel for the first time since his 1970 departure to DC, the two having patched things up. Marvel also introduced superheroes specifically for the British market in the form of Captain Britain, who had British creators behind him. Marvel made a deal to produce comic strips of several of their characters, though the only one that continues to see publication is The Amazing Spider-Man, the others ending by 1982.

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Giant Size X-Men

The Roy Thomas X-Men Run continued into the 1970's until the release of Giant Size X-Men, which introduced a new team assembled to rescue the original X-Men on a mission to the island of Krakoa, which was revealed to be a sentient mutant. This new X-Men team also included a new writing team under writer Len Wein and artist Dave Cockrum. The success of Giant Size X-Men led to a second such issue released as Giant Size X-Men 2, which depicted the new X-Men team battling the Avengers villain Count Nefaria(Comprising issues of X-Men #94 and #95 OTL). In a twist, three of the new members "flunked" the test to become official members of the team: Thunderbird, Sunfire and Banshee. Wein was told to kill off either Wolverine or Thunderbird. He appeared to kill off Wolverine when the mutant disobeyed Cyclops's order and jumped onto a plane seconds before it exploded. Wolverine appeared to die, his body being recovered. Suddenly he woke up alive again, revealing for the first time that Wolverine had a healing factor. This was due to Wolverine suddenly being very popular. Thunderbird meanwhile left the team. For the 25th Anniversary of All-New, All-Different X-Men, Scott Lobdell and Aaron Lopresti did a two-issue Thunderbird mini-series that brought back the character, who went onto appear in Exiles. Another new character, Nightcrawler was originally intended to be Jewish but this was changed to Catholic, playing better with the idea that he looked like a Demon. His parents were eventually revealed to be Brotherhood members Mystique and Destiny. Mystique actually being his father due to shapeshifting into a man at the time of Nightcrawler's conception. Len Wein also introduced Zerox(OTL Multiple Man using their original pitched name as a pun on Xerox, something which Deadpool later mocks him for). Another character, while not created by Wein, was actually from FOOM magazine's "Create-a-Villain" contest in 1973. The winning entry was a character called Humus Sapiens who was incorporated as one of Nefaria's henchmen.

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Pin during Captain America's Presidential Campaign

There was a search for ideas for Captain America(The OTL Secret Empire arc not happening due to no Nixon administration ITTL). Then the writers struck gold. Captain America ran for President. The storylines centered first on Captain America's 1976 Campaign for President in which he defeated Ronald Reagan and even got to knock George Wallace down a peg. Finally Cap emerged victorious and served as President in universe. He would choose not to run for reelection, being succeeded in 1980 by Tony Stark running as the Republican candidate. In the aftermath Captain America was assassinated by the Red Skull. His mantle as Captain America taken up by Sam Wilson, the then current Falcon, who faced accusations that he was a pimp(False ITTL though an ignored retcon OTL). These rascist rumors were discovered to be part of a plan by Hydra to turn the people against the new Captain America. A Captain America TV Movie was in production. To tie into the Comics, DeMatteis wrote an oversized treasury edition one-shot.

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The First Issue of Marvel's What If?

The Marvel What-If series was introduced in 1977. It contained stories in which one event went differently and followed the divergence from there. Some even became continuing series such as What If Spider-Man joined the Fantastic Four? Which he had tried to do but was rejected. The end result is most of Spider-Man's enemies are more easily dealt with by the new FF team while others such as Mysterio and the Chameleon choose not to antagonize Spider-Man at all due to his new allies. This includes Jameson changing his tune towards the wall crawler, fortunately for him, the story's divergence point occurs in Spidey's first issue, meaning Jameson only recently began targeting the Webhead for slander. Spidey's spider-sense also helps the team at certain points, however, Sue Storm sees herself as unnecessary on the team due to Spider-Man taking her place and leaves Richards for the Sub-Mariner. This being early in the Fantastic Four's career, Sue Storm is only dating Richards and has no longer attachment to him.

Other stories include What-if Captain America was never frozen? in which Cap leads the still formed Invaders against Communist threats and both Namor and the Human Torch do not suffer the fates that led to their disappearances in main Marvel Continuity, though this means the Android Vision does not exist in this reality as the original Torch's parts were used in his construction. Cap is then chosen as the first Director of Shield over Nick Fury by President John F.Kennedy and begins to combat Hydra in the Cold War era. He eventually passes on the position of Director to James "Bucky" Barnes, who also survived. Cap also saved Magneto from Auschwitz and after a conversation, prevented Magneto's rise, leading Magneto to become a much more Malcolm X type figure, without resorting to terrorism. What-if Gwen Stacy was bitten by the spider instead of Peter Parker? is another notable one, the first divergence appears to actually be Gwen meeting Peter in High School rather than College. Interestingly, there were actually a series of short stories showing different people getting the Spider Bite, many of which such as Flash Thompson and John Jameson perishing in battle due to lacking the knowledge for creating the Web Shooters Peter had. Peter designs the Web Shooters for Gwen, preventing a similar fate. This story eventually evolved into the series Spider-Gwen. What-if the Punisher became the Ghost Rider? leads to an even more violent vigilante and many dead Supervillains. This Ghost Rider also avoids fights with Spider-Man and Daredevil due to seeing that they are free of sin and not evil. What-if Wakanda opened up to the rest of the world in World War II? has an attack by the Red Skull and Wakandan deaths lead to Wakanda entering the War, quickly setting up an allied occupational government in all of the former Axis Occupied African countries. the impact on history is then shown. What If The Fantastic Four had been defeated by the Dark Raider? was made into a 22 page story by Randy & Jean-Marc Lofficier, continuing the X-Men as vampires universe in What If? Vol 2 #24 and What If? Vol 2 #37-39, which depicted characters fro mseveral What ifs joining together in the time quake event. Timequake, the story running through What If? Vol 2 #35-39, ended by revealing the Time-Keepers were using time as an energy battery, and explaining their involvement with the Time Variance Authority.

Speaking of Jean-Marc Lofficier, the man made a name for himself for working in horror. His Book of the Vishanti backup stories in The Tomb of Dracula provided additional details to horror/mystic characters in the Marvel Universe, such as revealing that Yellow Claw and Fu Manchu were brothers affiliated with the Immortal Nine, a group exposed to Dracula's Pool of Blood, including Cagliostro and Aged Genghis. He also wrote an issue of Shamrock & Peregrine which explained and tied up the family tree for the Frankenstein family and how it factored into the Marvel Universe.

In 1978, Jim Shooter became Marvel's editor-in-chief. Although controversial, Shooter would solve many issues plaguing the company and his tenure was marked by several famous runs by creators such as Chris Claremont and John Byrne's on Uncanny X-Men and Frank Miller's Daredevil, both major commercial successes. To counter DC, Shooter founded the Epic imprint for creator-owned stories, introduced creator royalties and helped bring Marvel into the direct market. Shooter also introduced company wide crossover events such as Contest of Champions and Secret Wars. Frank Miller made his debut on Daredevil with a story tackling drugs(not published due to Comic Code Authority interference OTL) and continued with the critically acclaimed Daredevil: Born Again.

The X-Men were a run away success at this time, leading to a series crossing over Iceman and Doctor Strange of all people, yet even that seeing success. There was a series released called The Furies, which had Storm as the leader of a team of female superheroes. The group's other members included Tigra, Namorita, Clea, Dragonfly of the Ani-Men (referencing a scene in X-Men #104 involving Dragonfly's escape from Muir Island), and a new alien heroine named Moon Fang. Dave Cockrum launched the series. A New member of the X-Men, Dazzler was introduced, modeled after Grace Jones, but Filmworks representatives wanted Bo Derek to play the role in a live-action adaptation, so she was redesigned to be a blonde white woman. The Resulting film is an odd spectacle to say the least.

The character Mockingbird was originally going to be an entirely separate character from Bobbi Morse, who was going by the name "Huntress" at the time. She would have had the same design she eventually sported, but would have been African-American. Also, she would have first appeared as an enemy of Spider-Woman. When the Huntress name became unavailable thanks to DC publishing their own heroine by that name(bringing Helena Wayne into continuity as the daughter of the married Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle). Marvel made the decision to merge Huntress and Mockingbird into a single character.

Claremont and Byrne introduced a group of young mutants to return the X-Men to the school aspect, the most famous of which became Kitty Pryde but there was also a young Reality Warper named Willie Evans (who had previously appeared in Fantastic Four) and a monstrous hillbilly teen named Caliban (no relation to the Morlock who would later be introduced with that name who does not exist ITTL, or at least under a different name), who had the power to project his life force into inanimate objects. In Uncanny X-Men #133 (May, 1980), Wolverine attacked and killed several Hellfire Club mercenaries: Wade Cole, Angelo Macon, and Murray Reese(All three remain dead, OTL, editor in chief Jim Shooter OTL used his superiority to request Wolverine not kill anyone and so they later turned up alive when they were intended to be disposable mooks).

Jean Grey was killed off in the Dark Phoenix saga. Something which Writer Christ Claremont was against but was Shooter's order, though Claremont later thought the story was better for it. Wolverine was not "sissified" as Jim Shooter put it(which is subjective as he was actually the most saddened by Jean's Death OTL). Chris Claremont wrote up a Phoenix Miniseries focusing on Jean Grey and exploring the origin of the Phoenix Force. The series also explored the future relationship between Rachel Summers and Franklin Richards previously seen in Days of Future Past in greater detail(Days of Future Present doesn't exist ITTL as a result of this series being made).

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Ad for Contest of Champions.

The 1980 Olympics were not boycotted and so Marvel's Contest of Champions kept its original idea as an Olympic Games tie in but with Marvel characters allowed to participate. Without Carol Danvers or Mar-Vell existing, Rogue's powers are now depicted differently. She is now able to take more from those she touches and is a normal human otherwise, though to fly, Storm would often allow her to borrow their flight and strength respectively after a small touch.

The new X-Men villain Mister Sinister was revealed to be a psychic projection of a Mutant who grew up with Scott Summers. He was able to project himself as a more intimidating foe(hence his ridiculous name. This also made him a dark satire of Fawcett Comic's Captain Marvel, which Marvel was angry at not getting the rights to). Mister Sinister also created clones of Sabertooth upon capturing him(explaining some of the villain's more ridiculous appearances before he became a serious threat). The same child also created Gambit as a projection to infiltrate the team(even seducing Storm as she was leader at the time) though he would fall in love with Rogue and betray his creator(the original plan OTL, as it was intended as a Take that to Terra from Teen Titans). Sabertooth was revealed to be Wolverine's father by Chris Claremont and John Byrne. Claremont wrote a story in which Wolverine and Mariko married, at their wedding they as they said "I do", Sabertooth jumped out and seemingly killed Mariko on the altar. Mariko was alive but braindead. Wolverine didn't believe that she was gone, until Jean linked their minds, and he saw that there was nobody there and he pulled the plug on her. Wolverine went searching for revenge against Sabretooth. Wolverine finally killed Sabretooth in the aftermath by trapping him in between two of his claws, telling Sabertooth not to ask for the third, which was in the middle and would pierce Sabertooth's brain. Sabertooth fought back and Wolverine popped the third claw, killing Sabertooth in 1981(much earlier than Wolverine and Sabertooth first meeting in OTL's Mutant Massacre).

The event known as Magneto War involved Magneto tilting the Earth on its axis, sending the world into an ice age. Magneto trapped the X-Men in an illusion of a mutant concentration camp as a warning of what was to come if mutantkind didn't stand up and fight back against humanity. The X-Men were divided over the issue, with some of the heroes siding with Magneto against their former teammates. Perhaps most shockingly, Storm was killed after a Heroic Sacrifice to fix the planet after Magneto had tilted it on its axis. Magneto was so horrified he surrendered himself to custody afterwards.

The seminal X-Men story God Loves, Man Kills was released, written by Chris Clarement and illustrated by Neal Adams. It's success led to it becoming canon as it depicted Magneto imprisoned and working with the X-Men, paving the way for his reformation. To fill the void a new Brotherhood was introduced. John Byrne was writing at the time and revealed that Brotherhood member Pyro was gay(intended OTL). Consequently Claremont did not reveal him to be Australian to try and undo this. Byrne also created a lengthy plotline where Wolverine was turned into the brainwashed minion of "The Hand", leading to Forge and Banshee having to rescue him(Similar to OTL Wolverine: Enemy of the State, but very different due to occurring much earlier).

Marvel launched the Secret Wars event in 1984 at the tail end of the Bronze Age as by 1986, both Marvel and DC would be celebrating their anniversaries with major world changing events. The Premise concerned several Marvel Heroes and Villains being transported to an alien planet to do battle by the mysterious Beyonder.

The heroes include the Avengers(Captain America, Giant Man, Hawkeye, Iron Man, Black Widow, Thor, the Wasp, and the Hulk), the Fantastic Four (Human Torch, Mister Fantastic, Invisible Woman and the Thing), solo heroes (Spider-Man and Doctor Strange) and the X-Men (Colossus, Cyclops, Nightcrawler, Professor X, Rogue, a resurrected Storm, Wolverine, and Iceman).

The villains include Red Skull, Ultron, The Mandarin, Thanos, Loki, Kang the Conqueror, the Leader, Doctor Doom, Galactus, Sub-Mariner, Annihilus, Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, Dormammu, Kingpin, Magneto, Juggernaut, Mystique, Sabertooth, Emma Frost, Bullseye, Abomination, and Baron Zemo.

The event had Doctor Doom steal the Beyonder's power and seemingly kill the heroes only for them to return and defeat Doom, restoring the Beyonder. Everyone was sent back to Earth. Spider-Man however had gained a new black alien costume while on the planet that would have major repercussions down the line.

At the time, DC was in a bind that ironically, Marvel would find itself in. DC as an intellectual property was seeing massive success in film, and television. The Comics on the other hand, were not doing nearly as well. They were a Comic company excelling in everything but Comics. So a crazy idea was proposed. Marvel would take their crack as writing DC characters and vice versa. The two had crossovers before and worked well together despite, like professional wrestlers, pretending to hate each other on the page. Marvel was doing excellent thanks in part to their excellent Licensed Comics, such as Transformers, R.O.M. Space Knight, 2001: A Space Odyssey and Godzilla. Their success meant Warner Bros called up Marvel to propose the companies switch characters. It would be treated like the licensed comics. Someone at DC slipped up and commented they would be rebooting the universe soon, which gave Marvel the incentive to commit to the deal as they would effectively be given permission to create their own version of the DC Characters in the Marvel Universe that were wholly their own. These issues were often labeled Marvel Presents...or Stan Lee presents...Superman or Batman. As was the common practice with licensed Comics, the DC characters were native to the canon Marvel Universe.

The books would launch with Seven titles:
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
Green Lantern
Teen Titans
Justice League
Legion of Superheroes.

Here's how Marvel's term with the DC Characters went.
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Superman
"John Byrne really wanted to do Superman. He burst into my office with a Cover done. Not a sketch for a cover. A Cover. He had this whole story and everything."
-Jim Shooter in interview.

John Byrne's pitch was known as Man of Steel.It kept most of Superman's origin story and characters. Krypton was destroyed by Galactus in this continuity. Lex Luthor made his debut as a businessman and a genius, combining two versions of him. Superman goes to work at the Daily Bugle instead of the Daily Planet.

Batman
Bruce Wayne travelled the world. His training included journeying to Nanda Parbat, where he briefly met Doctor Doom and in Wakanda. Upon returning to the city he became a vigilante. He notably encounters Spider-Man early in his career. He also recruits Dick Grayson, being active in New York instead of Gotham. He's also a business rival of Tony Stark.

Wonder Woman
Wonder Woman was introduced as a nemesis of Hercules, due to his backstory involving him enslaving the Amazons. In this new continuity, she met Captain America when he crashed onto the Island and broke the rule of the island by leaving and donning a costume of her own. She had a romantic interest in Captain America before his disappearance, after which she disappeared for some time.

Green Lantern
The preexisting Nova Corps was reworked in an amusing way to become the Green Lantern Corps. Two ancient entities emerge in the universe. The Nova Corps is completely devastated and the Green Entity grants the Nova Corps green Power rings. The yellow entity grants powers to a being known as Sinestro. One power ring travels to Earth and recruits Hal Jordan and several others to fight the yellow entity.

Teen Titans
Followed the Marv Wolfman and George Perez team, with the two writers even returning to create the Marvel versions of the characters. Most of the character backstories were kept intact, though Beast Boy was a mutant. The team began led by Robin, who recently left his role as Batman's sidekick.

Justice League
Justice League brought the characters together along with the Flash, who recently was granted his powers. Aquaman is not present. Namor taking his place on the team. Martian Manhunter also appears.

Legion of Superheroes.
The Legion of Superheroes are a group of metahuman teenagers who oppose Kang the Conqueror's regime.

The DC characters would be at Marvel for about a year before DC requested them back for the planned Crisis on Infinite Earths, after that the DC characters, while still existing in the Marvel Universe, received less focus, being reduced largely to cameos. It was a flash in the pan, but would not be the last time the two companies would come together.​
 
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Looking through some of the older posts in this thread, I believe I've spotted a contradiction.

When discussing DC in television, you mention that several characters from Superfriends were axed in this world, including Wendy and Marvin. Okay, fine.

But then when discussing DC in the 2000s, you mention that Wendy and Marvin are brought back despite apparently never existing...
 
Looking through some of the older posts in this thread, I believe I've spotted a contradiction.

When discussing DC in television, you mention that several characters from Superfriends were axed in this world, including Wendy and Marvin. Okay, fine.

But then when discussing DC in the 2000s, you mention that Wendy and Marvin are brought back despite apparently never existing...
It's more of a case of old unused character concepts being brought back, but I am in the middle of rewriting the Comic stuff anyway.
 
History of the DC Universe(The Iron Age): 1985-1989

History of the DC Universe: The Iron Age
The successful revitalization of the Silver Age Teen Titans led DC's editors to look for ways to do the same to other characters. The result was the Wolfman/Pérez 12-issue limited series Crisis on Infinite Earths. Designed to revitalize the characters and help to retcon several complicated backstory and continuity errors. It was also DC's 50th Anniversary. Different alternate Universes had been introduced with Earth one being the setting of the Golden Age stories and Earth Two as the setting of the Silver Age stories. This was seen as confusing as readers often found it difficult to keep track of the two versions and the continuity of the two separate worlds. It was decided the two would be merged into one world with a new history. The Multiverse would also be simplified.

Several alternate universes had been introduced in the past 50 years. Some would become common tropes such as Earth three, in which Heroes and Villains were reversed, or Earth X where the Axis had won World War II. Others were intentionally created by DC to represent the Universes of other companies in the event of crossovers and later when those companies were merged into DC. This included Charlton Comics and Quality Comics. With Fawcett no longer able to support itself outside the UK, the rights to Captain Marvel were sold. Marvel Comics(wanting to have a character with that name and banking on his popularity) and DC(wanting to absorb an old competitor) both placed their bets. The bidding process occurred during DC's Crisis on Infinite Earths and the bidding swung in DC's favor. Captain Marvel appeared in a few issues of Marvel's Captain Britain series and that was it, culminating in a small cameo where he was depicted being killed off by that arc's enemy the Fury, who murdered all the Heroes of another Universe. DC fully integrated Fawcett and made the "Fawcett Universe" Earth 5 in the Multiverse. Earth 5 had previously been the setting for a story in which Batman was sent to an alternate world to stop his parent's killer, indirectly inspiring Earth 5's Bruce Wayne to become Batman. It was also previously confirmed that Krypton did not exist in that Universe(or had been destroyed with no survivors). This explained why there was a lack of Superheroes aside from the Marvel family on that Earth. Earth 8. meanwhile had through crossovers been confirmed to be the Marvel Universe.

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The Anti-Monitor fights heroes from multiple Earths.

Crisis on Infinite Earths begins with a massive wave on Antimatter destroying Earth 3. The Supervillain counterparts of the Justice League, the Crime Syndicate, attempt to save as many people as they can, commenting on the irony of their last moments spent being heroes while their lives were spent as villains. Luthor and his wife Lois send their son, Alexander Luthor Jr, into another universe to protect him as the universe is destroyed. He is adopted by the Monitor and grows quickly under his care. The Monitor recruits several heroes and villains alike to place "Tuning Forks" across the Universe and across time to protect them from the Anti-matter wave released by his alternate universe counterpart, the Anti-Monitor. This brings in characters from across DC's history, as heroes from each time period such as World War II, the Wild West, and various Pasts and Futures. When the villain Dr.Light is killed, the Monitor takes his powers and gives them to the Japanese Businesswoman Kimiyo Hoshi, as light is needed to power the Pillars at the right moment. The Monitor is killed when the Anti-Monitor possesses his assistant Harbringer, but this turned out to be part of his plan. His death allows him to give his life force to merge Earth one and Earth Two, sparing both. Other Universes also begin to merge, bringing those worlds into conflict. A group of Heroes travels to engage the Anti-Monitor in battle. They are able to force him to retreat but at the cost of the Silver Age Superman's life. This led to the original Superman taking up the mantle.

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Believing the Anti-Monitor to be dead, the gathered Super villains from each world launch a massive attack on the alternate universes now that they are all threatening to merge. Barry Allen, the Flash, having followed the Anti-Monitor, is able to sabotage the Anti-Monitor's cannon, which had it fired, would have destroyed the Universe, dying in the process. The Spectre interrupts the fighting between the Heroes and the Villains, revealing the Anti-Monitor to still be a threat. The Heroes and villains team up. The villains go to prevent the experiment by the scientist Krona which originally created the multiverse and with it the Anti-Monitor, while the Heroes go to battle the Anti-Monitor at the Big Bang before he could prevent the universe from coming into existence. An explosion occurs and the Heroes are knocked back. The Villains also fail, being subdued by the Oans. The Anti-Monitor makes one final devastating assault on Earth where he is finally defeated.

In the aftermath, the new History incorporated legacy into the new Universe Post Crisis. Several writers wrote final stories to the original universe, which were released under the banner of Zero Crisis, the idea being that those stories are how the Universe would have unfolded had there been no Crisis to alter history. Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster returned to pen The Last Superman Story. Originally intended to be the conclusion to the Silver Age Superman, it was instead decided to be the end of the original Golden Age Superman that the duo had created, because Alan Moore demanded he write such as story(OTL he allegedly threatened to kill Curt Swan if he didn't get to write it). Moore was appeased by being given permission to write a story for the Silver Age Superman's ending: Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow? At the same time, Frank Miller penned, The Dark Knight Returns, as an ending to the silver age Batman. All the "Zero Crisis" Stories took place on the newly Designated Earth 3, while the Crime Syndicate and their world was labeled as "Earth minus one."

For Barry Allen's last story(as he had died in the Crisis), The Trial of the Flash was released. Cary Bates had several plans which he was able to implement after Crisis on Infinite Earths due to the permission to write the "What If Barry Allen Survived?" story as part of Zero Crisis. It included Flash being found guilty of a crime he didn't commit and going "on the run." This kicked off a new story arc which had Flash continuing to do his good deeds as a wanted man with an arrest warrant hanging over his head. Bates liked "the delicious irony of a Flash who ends up joining his own Rogues Gallery." An extra issue helped show the Flash's life continue as if he had not died, showing the family he had with Iris. Bittersweet after the character's death in the Crisis.

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Cover to the Trial of the Flash
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Hardcover

To introduce the new Universe, a series titled The History of the DC Universe was released. The series was written by several creators including John Byrne and Frank Miller. In this new reality, Superman and Batman were legacy characters. Superman and Lois married and had two children, Jonathan and Lara. Jonathan had a career as Superboy growing up in the 50's before becoming Superman II in the 1960's. Lex Luthor also had a son, allowing his normal role to be taken while Luthor became the Ultra-Humanite in this new setting. The older Superman and Lois came to reside on the Kent farm while Jonathan Kent as Superman II had his own adventures in Metropolis. Part of Jonathan's backstory involved him fighting in Vietnam and falling in love while recovering from his wounds as he had not yet reached the full extent of his powers. This meant Jonathan Kent had a girlfriend and Fiancee named Lei Mei. Kara Kent meanwhile acted as Supergirl in this reality, her personality being very different from the original. She has black hair instead of blonde. Later on she changed her name to Power Woman when she became an adult in universe, this is due to the characters now aging in real time.​

Batman went through a similar transformation. In this new continuity he was previously married to Julie Madison and fathered, a son, Bruce Wayne Jr, with her. However, his attraction to Selina Kyle, Catwoman, led to their divorce with Bruce Wayne Jr remaining in his custody. In the 1960's, The first Robin, Richard Grayson, became the new Batman while Bruce Wayne Jr became became Robin II. Dick Grayson was still a former member of the Teen Titans, and was married to Starfire.

The DC Universe was divided between Pre-Crisis and Post Crisis given the massive changes to the company. Many consider this the start of the Iron Age.

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The Dark Knight Returns and Watchmen, two of the most influential Graphic Novels in Comic History, both debuted at around the same time.
Alan Moore's Twilight of the Superheroes was released in 1987 and while non canon, would change the landscape of the Comic industry as Moore had done several times. Twilight was Moore's take on the DC future idea seen in Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns. Moore's reason for making the story was the way he pitched it to DC: Who cares? it's not canon. It's just a fun story. The story featured the darkest depiction of Superheroes since Moore's own Watchmen. In this story, the Superheroes had formed their own Houses after a government collapse and the series ended with a massive battle for power between them won by a resistance of normal humans led by the presumed dead Batman in which many Heroes were killed. It was Moore's idea to pitch everything from T-shirts to tie ins for the event. DC enjoyed a practice of implying that possible futures could still happen and elements from the story such as Hypertime and Sodam Yat(the strongest Green Lantern) were introduced later into canon. The Dark Future of Twilight of the Superheroes, was declared as taking place on the newly introduced Earth 5, as it could fit into Moore's own Captain Marvel series(Moore's Captain Marvel run can essentially be taken as showing how Captain Marvel's faction rose to power while Twilight starts with the Marvel Family being one of many Houses), though this required some retconning of several of the DC superheroes on Earth 5, though since this was after the Crisis this was easy to do. Dark Knight Returns was also fit into this world(The world believed Batman dead at the start of Twilight and Batman faked his death in The Dark Knight Returns). Twilight of the Superheroes was a huge success. The Word "Twilight" used to refer to the story arc was instantly recognizable, just as Moore had done with mention of Watchmen. Watchmen itself was declared as taking place on Earth 4 in DC's multiverse, ironic as that Earth had previously been home to the Charlton Comic characters, which the Watchmen characters were originally supposed to be before DC disapproved the story since it would have rendered most of the characters dead and unusable, leading Moore to create new characters. The Dark Knight Returns, Watchmen and Twilight helped to change the public perception of Comics into a genuine form of literature.

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The House of Thunder from Twilight of the Superheroes

Alan Moore also popularized the character of Swamp Thing. After he left that book, Rick Veitch took over as of issue #64. He was able to get in a story in issue #88 in which Swamp Thing is revealed to be the cupbearer who offered Jesus water when he called for it from the cross. When Veitch left the book in 1989, Neil Gaiman took over and initiated a crossover featuring all of the DC Universe's plant-themed heroes and villains. Seeds for this had already been planted in a couple of Gaiman-written comic issues featuring Poison Ivy and Jason Woodrue. This led to a reformation for Poison Ivy, since she could not longer claim to fight for plant life when Swamp Thing, the Avatar of the Green, fought to save humanity. Poison Ivy thus reformed and eventually began a relationship with Harley Quinn in the 90's. Moore also wrote for the Question for a time, ironically making the character more like Rorschach and telling a story of the hero trying to prevent a father from murdering his own daughter(This story is similar to an OTL Vigilante story written by Moore, now it features the Question instead, who is more brutal. This story also butterflies away the controversial The Question #26 in which the Question let a murderer fo simply because it was Christmas).

The late 1980's saw the cancellation of several long running World War II Comics that had been running since the 1960's, many of which had grown to over 100 issues such as Sgt. Rock, G.I. Combat, The Unknown Soldier, and Weird War Tales. The reason for this was simple, the Cold War was ending, and peace was on everyone's mind.

After the Crisis, DC released several mandates. There was no plan to bring back Barry Allen as many of the writers believed this would sour his death. Wally West would continue to be the Flash(No new 52 Wally West is introduced ITTL). Bart Allen was introduced as the perpetual kid Sidekick and new Kid Flash, though he would get his own series after he became old enough to become the Flash, taking over from Wally. A DC editorial mandate was handed down concerning the Joker. The Joker had recently made three Iconic appearances, The Dark Knight Returns, the Killing Joke, and A Death in the Family. In those stories he had been killed, crippled Barbara Gordon, and murdered the second Robin Jason Todd. DC felt that using him too much took away from the character's appeal and feared oversaturation. Originally he would only appear in big events in Batman's life or in cameos, though this only applied to Comics. Other media appearances were fair game. Another rule was that Joker's origin could never be confirmed, as it added to his mystery. However, a surprising idea was greenlit. The Joker would die in the event Last Laugh. This choice was made largely due to the feared oversaturation of the character and he was given a final send off, where he is accidentally killed while Batman was trying to save a young boy named Tim Drake from being turned into a mini Joker.

Science Fiction Writer Larry Niven took over Green Lantern and wrote "The Green Lantern Bible", which established the Post-Crisis history of the Green Lantern Corps, and incorporated hard science fiction concepts into the Green Lantern mythos. This almost included making Guy Gardner an alien but this was cut. The Mandate basically made the Bible law for a time until Gaiman would receive permission to contradict the contents.​

The event known as Legends depicted Darkseid, now only a spirit following his death, attacking Earth by having his henchman Glorious Godfrey turn mankind against the Superheroes, using his ability to control anyone who hears his voice, and then sending Brimstone to attack Earth. This led to the formation of the Suicide Squad as well as a New Justice League made to answer to the UN called Justice League International. Kevin Maguire was pulling double duty on this series and the Wild Card Series with Kurt Busiek, which introduced the titular new Superhero(who fittingly would have the Joker as a villain prior to his death, along with the Royal Flush Gang).

DC became a Subsidiary of Time Warner in March 1989. The company began publishing hardcover series and collections or important issues in a character's run following the success of the Batman films. This also led to old and rare stories being seen by fans when included in these collections and a preservation effort began, leading to color restoration by long time colourist Bob LeRose. This also led to a rise in some of the more unrecognized talent.

British writers such as Moore, Gaiman and Morrison had been gaining traction in the Comic Industry since 1984, and had gotten their start writing Non Superhero-and Horror franchises, leading to a revival of those genres. The resurgence of more sophisticated horror-fantasy led DC to launch the Vertigo imprint for mature readers in 1993.​
 
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Sonic in Film & TV: 1994-2015
Sonic in Film & TV

Sonic the Hedgehog(1993-1994)
Sonic SatAM debuted in 1993. All characters more or less resembled their OTL counterparts except for a more fully cyborg Bunnie and a non cowardly Antione, being much more bold ITTL. Super Sonic also appears ITTL. The intro us also different. The show continued towards a season three, with Snively working with Ixis Naugus as the main villains. A new character is introduced in the magician Nate Morgan, who is a tall and lanky black man. Mobius is revealed to be Earth all along. The series concluded with a film(Sonic SatAM's plans nix the Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog as that was originally conceived as a prequel to Sonic SatAm before going wackier. Instead more effort is put towards SatAM's development, since the two were originally conceived as one show anyway).

Sonic the Hedgehog: Wonders of the World(1995)
In 1994, MGM optioned the rights to produce a Sonic the Hedgehog film. With Pen Densham (Robin Hood: Prince of Thieves) as executive producer, MGM commissioned had Richard Jeffries(The Vagrant) write the script. The film was titled Sonic the Hedgehog: Wonders of the World. It revolved around Josh, the son of a divorced couple, who plugged in the Sega Saturn containing the then recent Sonic Mars, into his father's computer. He was also writing a school paper on a test pilot killed in a freak accident named Sonic(the original concept for Sonic's backstory). Sonic then entered the real world via CGI. At first, Sonic and Josh become good friends, but Sonic begins to cause problems in the city, often accidentally. Dr.Eggman then entered the world and tries to take over, turning an amusement park into his base with his badniks. He then uses the technology left by Josh's scientist father to create a virtual reality, leading him to mind control children who he lures to play it. Sonic and Josh team up to fight Dr.Eggman but are sucked back into the game console. Sonic is able to defeat Eggman, forcing him to retreat. Josh returns home. The film was released by MGM. It received mixed reviews. This film's existence butterflies away OTL's Sonic the Hedgehog: The Movie, most of the animation scenes that would have gone to that film are instead used for Sonic: Armageddon.

Sonic the Hedgehog: the Movie(1996)
Sonic the Hedgehog: the Movie improved Sonic's popularity in Japan and led to a full series. This being after the end of the acclaimed Sonic SATAM and the continuation of the series, as well as after the underperforming 1994 film.

Sonic: Armageddon(2002)
In 1999,Ben Hurst, one of the Writers of Sonic SatAM, pitched the a movie to revive the Saturday Morning Universe. Ken Penders was brought onboard and did some storyboards. The film was released as Sonic Armageddon in 2002. Storyboards by Penders have been shown. Production on Sonic X was delayed as Sega didn't want to have two different versions of Sonic running concurrently, though the film's "Finale" status meant there were no planned sequels. Among the elements in the film are Mobius being destroyed. Roboticization was much more gruesome than in any other medium beforehand. Snively is the supporting antagonist and is now a cyborg, with Metal Sonic appearing as the main antagonist.

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Storyboard Art by Ken Penders for Sonic Armageddon

Sonic X(2003-2005)

A new Sonic Anime appeared due to the absence of a follow up to Sonic SatAM. Sonic X had a cast of anthropomorphic animals instead of humans. Eggman being the only human character. It was Largely an adaptation of the video game series, but taken into a somewhat darker direction. The X was meant as a reference to that of Megaman X, namely in greater world building and focus. The series did very well and became the definitive Sonic anime, usurping the spot held by its predecessor Sonic series. The character Nezu does not exist ITTL and his design is isntead a form Sonic briefly takes akin to Super Sonic.

Sonic the Hedgehog(2015)
Due to the failure of the 1994 film, it took many years for another attempt at a Live Action Sonic film to materialize. Sony finally agreed to produce it. Several scripts were submitted but those who had submitted them were often busy, such as Brad Bird who was committed to Tomorrowland, Wernick & Reese, who were busy with Deadpool. Phil Johnston, who was busy with Zootopia, and David Barenbaum. Finally Brad Bird hopped on to write when Tomorrowland was cancelled. Tim Miller also joined production. Sony pushed for a PG-13 rating but it was Miller who vetoed the idea to make it more faithful to the games and get a wider audience. Paul Rudd was cast as a grown up Josh Wachowski. Revealing the bold decision of making the game a loose sequel. Chris Pratt, and Chris Evans also featured in the film in cameos. Ben Schwartz was always considered for the role of Sonic, though Rudd would have voiced Sonic as well as play Josh had Schwartz not been available. Production of the film took place in Atlanta. Dr.Eggman was played by Jim Carrey, who watched the cartoons, Video Game cutscenes(and the Sonic parody Real Time Fandub) to prepare. He was able to sneak in the line "I've come to make an announcement during a scene as he was encouraged to ad lib most of his lines." Another improvised line is a coffee machine he called "The Mean Bean Machine." He is also referred to as Dr. Eggman a few times by Sonic.

Since the film was a sequel of sorts to the 1994 film, the design of Sonic needed to match the classic look. Yuji Naka made a Stan Lee-style cameo in the film when Sonic is testing his speed and briefly ends up in Japan. The film also begins with Schwartz performing a harmonized version of the Sega opening theme. The film featured the Echidnas as antagonists(a take that to Ken Penders). They were an ancient civilization that was recently revived, with Sonic being sent to another universe, seeking a way to return to protect his friends. Other Sonic characters appear briefly trying to fight the Echidna race and even Knuckles has a difficult time against the main antagonist. The film used "Gotta Go Fast" by Chizzy Stephens as the soundtrack and bits of other famous Sonic soundtracks, though Riff Raff also contributed to the soundtrack. Super Sonic and the Chaos Emeralds also appear in the film. Crazy Carl also appears more in this film. tails also appears in the film though still very briefly. There is also a bigger reference to a chili dog, which Sonic eats in two seconds followed by another one during a conversation. Sonic also uses the line "We're total Badasses." instead of "we're a couple of loose cannons".​
 
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History of the Marvel Universe(The Iron Age): 1985-1989
History of the Marvel Universe: The Iron Age

This is the beginning of a battle not too out of place within the company's own pages. A battle that would shape the landscape of the industry we know today. It all started with Godzilla and Coke.

In 1984, An American remake of Godzilla titled Godzilla 3D was released. New World Pictures, Roger Corman's production company known for making B Movies, funded the film, as did the Coca Cola Company, which appeared frequently in the film in blatant product placement. The film was New World's biggest hit to date and now that they were on top, they had their pick of the cream of the crop. They made an odd choice for a company to buy: Marvel. It is said that Roger Corman, after getting off the phone, loudly proclaimed. "Ladies and Gentlemen. We just bought Superman!". When someone tried to correct him, saying they'd just bought Spider-Man, he responded that he knew the difference. He was referring to the company publishing Superman as part of the licensed deal they made and still believed the company still owned Superman.

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Jim Shooter
With new owners, Marvel's Jim Shooter and John Romita Sr attempted to convince New World to scale down the number of titles as this was overwhelming readers. New World refused and instead demanded 10 books, creating new characters themselves. The increased workload started a war between Jim Shooter's team and the rest of Marvel's. Shooter was fired and replaced with Tom DeFalco. DeFalco is seen by many as keeping the company alive during this time.

The Storyline Mutant Massacre involved the Fury from Alan Moore and Alan Davis's Captain Britain run and its creator Mad Jim Jaspers, returning as the antagonists. The Fury and Jaspers found their way to the main Marvel Universe and began a path of destruction. The Fury by its nature adapted to kill anything it saw, making it a formidable foe. The Fury merged with X-Men villain Nimrod, a future Sentinel from the Days of Future Past universe, and began to target Mutants, leading to an X-Men and X-Calibur Crossover to defeat this new enemy. Claremont used this to compete with DC's Crisis on Infinite Earths, as a result the event impacted all titles[1]. This included an early cameo by Mad Jim Jaspers at Magneto's UN Trial to set up this story. Claremont also wrote Excalibur: Special Edition pencilled by Rick Leonardi, featuring Shadowcat and the Phoenix force. This led into Rachel Summers being abducted and taken to the dimension of Mojo World, the series showing what happened to her while there and her rescue.

Claremont and Byrne wanted to expand the idea of the students at the Xavier Institute and did so in a new series they called X-Factor. The first issues of X-Factor featured a mysterious master of the group known as the Alliance of Evil. With the aid of Louise Simonson and Bob Harras, the four men created a new villain named Apocalypse. Apocalypse was revealed to be the mastermind behind the Weapon X program (a plan fitting an immortal mutant with advanced technology and a penchant for playing god), as well as the third Summers brother who was sent back in time (explaining his and Mr. Sinister's obsessions with the Summers bloodline). Weapon X was also given backstory connecting it to being responsible for the creations of Captain America, Nuke, and weapons 0,01, and 07. On X Factor, Dazzler and Jean Grey's sister Sara Grey were made members, due to a scene where the Phoenix had altered Sara's genes in Bizarre Adventures #27, making her a mutant.

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Byrne left X-Men to to write an Invisible Woman mini-series with Mary Wilshire. The series had Sue's powers mutate so that she could now become intangible instead of just invisible, but with the caveat that she couldn't actually control the intangibility. This led to her falling into an alternate dimension where she could remain tangible, but where her only chance to return home would not come about for another 40 years. The series chronicled Sue's life for the next four decades as she met a handsome warrior and battled a group of villains called the Shadow Knights. John Byrne would then shift to write She-Hulk after the completion of She-Hulk: Ceremony.

Other Teams were also changing. The West Coast Avengers series ended, leading to the main Avengers title alternating between the two teams. James Hudnall's run on Alpha Flight had the team dealing with Zeitgeist, a serial killer obsessed with murdering superheroes. Zeitgeist infiltrated Alpha Flight HQ and killed Goblyn before being taken down. Individual heroes were not spared either. Spider-Man faced the Hobgoblin in battle, leading to a mystery surrounding who he was(later revealed to be Roderick Kingsley). Dwayne McDuffie was brought in to write the Armor Wars arc of Iron Man. The arc involved Stark's technology being stolen and sold, leading him to track down the thieves and buyers. The Punisher had gotten a hold of an Iron Man Armor and painted it black. After the Punisher was defeated, the Iron Man armor was confiscated and worn by James Rhodes to save Iron Man during a crucial battle. James Rhodes became "War Machine" from then on. Warren Ellis started his run on Doctor Strange. Ellis took the character into a less superhero-oriented direction, towards fantasy and horror, and finally in his run in 1989, John Byrne had Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne being remarried.

New World began to suffer financially. Many commented that this was no surprise. Shooter referred to New World as a company built on the back of a Coked Up Lizard. By 1989, New World was looking for buyers for Marvel in the hopes of saving itself. This was when Shooter stepped in. Shooter and several investors came together to make a bid towards Marvel, planning to buy the company back. While they almost didn't make it, falling short by one and a half million dollars, an extra bid, brought on by an extra donation from Stan Lee, who commented that he received that amount of money just for still being alive, helped meet the amount. Shooter was now back in charge as the owner of the company.

Shooter was convinced to bring to life Marvel TV Shows, as many offers had been brought to them and he had received deals from various companies. Radio City became an investor towards Shooter's Marvel TV shows. New World attempted to buy back the license, now seeing the potential in the Characters they had previously struggled to prophet from but it was too late and Radio City refused to part with Shooter's scripts for the shows. Marvel received the license to two more prominent franchises of the era: Nintendo and Professional Wrestling. While hardly the likes of Star Wars or Godzilla, Marvel had experience creating series from very little such as ROM: Spaceknight, a Parker Brothers toy. The result was... a failure. The Comics bombed. No one really cared about Comic adaptations of these franchises. It was a dark stain on Shooter's return and was quite possibly what killed License Comics being produced by the big two. For the foreseeable future, both Marvel and DC would be restrictive in licensed works, allowing Independent Comic Companies to rise up on the back of the licenses.

Footnotes
[1] Marvel was doing well at the time and had no need for a massive reboot and so did a massive event impacting all titles loosely instead. This butterflies away Marvel's New Universe, since sales were high on the time and launching something completely different didn't appeal to them.​
 
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The result...was a failure. The Comics bombed. No one really cared about Comic adaptations of these franchises. It was a dark stain on Shooter's return and was quite possibly what killed License Comics being produced by the big two. For the foreseeable future, both Marvel and DC would be restrictive in licensed works, allowing Independent Comic Companies to rise up on the back of the licenses.
Well..............yikes.
 
I'm...not so sure about the updates regarding this website, honestly. A little too "meta" for my liking.

As for comics, maybe have Herge live long enough to finish "Tintin and Alph-Art"?
 
I'm...not so sure about the updates regarding this website, honestly. A little too "meta" for my liking.

As for comics, maybe have Herge live long enough to finish "Tintin and Alph-Art"?
I kind of agree. I only started covering it because I was in a private conversation where so many alternate History.com ideas were pitched that I wanted to get them out there before I lose track of them.

For the Comics yes Herge will live long enough to finish Tintin and the Alph-Art.
 
To ask some pop culture questions, how are these people doing ITTL?
Sacha Boren Cohen's character Alex Krickler was expanded on instead of Borat, which the Krickler character became, being from Moldovia instead of Kazakhstan. Cohen's other character Kristo Shqiptari is also popular. Cohen was not removed from the 84th Oscars, allowing him to appear in Navi makeup on stage with Ben Stiller. The Ali G Show is intact ITTL.

Jack Black has had some of his film roles removed such as his role in Peter Jackson's King Kong and Goosebumps, but is still doing well as a comedic actor and musician. A minor note is he voiced a character in "See Me, Feel Me, Gnome Me," an episode of Powerpuff Girls. His Tenacious D and Kung Fu Panda roles remain.

For Dane Cook, the incident on October 30th, 1992 never happens due to scheduling being better, allowing the group to play earlier. He still rises as a comedian and the Aurora Theater shooting doesn't happen, meaning he doesn't make a joke about it.

Phil Hartman, aside from likely not portraying Bill Clinton on SNL. Hartman is still a popular character until he was given his own show The Phil Show, as part of the Variety show format, clashing frequently with Jay Leno in ratings. Hartman is not killed by his wife. His wife instead murdering Andy Dick(Hartman's NewsRadio costar who introduced her to cocaine). Brynn than seeks help rather than commits suicide. Hartman does not die, meaning he continues appearing on NewsRadio and the Simpsons. This led to a Live Action Troy McClure Movie(with live Action Simpson characters making cameos). Something Hartman wanted to do before his death. He even bought the film rights to make it happen. Hartman also produced two of his own movies. Mr.Fixit, which is was explained by Hartman OTL as: "a sort of a merger of horror and comedy, like Beetlejuice and Throw Momma From the Train", adding, "It's an American nightmare about a family torn asunder. They live next to a toxic dump site, their water supply is poisoned, the mother and son go insane and try to murder each other, the father's face is torn off in a terrible disfiguring accident in the first act. It's heavy stuff, but it's got a good message and a positive, upbeat ending." He also made a film on his character Chick Hazard, Private Eye. Finally, he voiced Zapp Brannigan on Futurama for the show's run, the character created specifically for him.

Robin Williams has a few more roles under his belt in addition to the OTL Mork, The Richard Pryor Show(" Pryor I Doubt Fire makes a good Shampoo"), Genie and others. His added roles include the American Doctor Who, The Riddler in Batman Forever, and Gendo Ikari in Evangelion. Williams struggled with something. He was treated better as the Genie than OTL, and returned for to role a few times, though ITTL, there is only one Aladdin sequel, basically being Aladdin and the King of Thieves with some of Return to Jaffar thrown in. Robin Williams overcame his cocaine addiction following the 1982 death of Cathy Smith, whom Williams had been celebrating with. This was a wake up call. Robin Willians checked himself into a mental hospital in 2014.

John Belushi, averting his death due to Bernie Brillstein refusing to give him money like he did the first time but not the second time. This was also due to Cathy Smith overdosing instead. Bill Wallace found Belushi trying to revive Smith. Belushi went on to do several films such as Moon Over Miami, Noble Rot, The Joy of Sex(which put him in a Diaper) and Ghostbusters(which he did before the Joy of Sex ITTL and played the role of Peter Vankman). He also did a film on drug trafficking and appear on an episode of Police Squad! which OTL had the gag of the guest star dying right away, and was cut after his actual death.

Eddie Murphy appears as Winston Zeddmore in Ghostbusters and has a more prominent role. He also appears in a Star Trek Film(paralleling his almost role in Star Trek IV should that film still exist). His career is somewhat saved by the Adventures of Pluto Nash not existing. Murphy won an academy award in 2007 due partly to Norbit not existing to tarnish perception of him. Murphy hosted the 84th annual Academy Awards. Films made ITTL but not OTL, include Miles and Me with Halle Berry, Pryor(in which Eddie Murphy played Richard Pryor's father. With Lee Daniels and Mike Epps playing Pryor). Murphy performed much more in Saturday Night Live's 40th anniversary Special, telling jokes and reprising his iconic characters. Overall his status can be summed up as respected but still known as an SNL cast member.

Chris Rock is largely same as OTL more or less though he did not host the 2005 Oscars, and may or may not hosted in 2015 since he was chosen largely to balance the complaint of the actors being whiter than a yeti in a snowstorm fighting Tilda Swinton. A complaint which likely wouldn't exist ITTL.
 
What is the status of the Nightmare on Elm Street franchise ITTL? Were there any films that jumped the shark?
The series diverges around the Third Film where Wes Craven uses his "Freddy enters the real world and goes after a film crew making a Nightmare on Elm Street film" in the third movie, with Johnny Depp appearing(He was almost asked but wasn't and admitted he's have said yes if he was asked). When the series starts to jump the shark later on, Peter Jackson makes a sixth film about Freddy trying to be scary again as most kids no how to beat him(planned idea with some elements of this working their way into Freddy vs Jason). Freddy vs Jason happens much earlier than OTL as does the sequel, Freddy vs Jason vs Ash. That film also had a sequel which is essentially a Horror Megacrossover of survivors from all three franchises united to kill off Freddy and Jason for good. Both killers(and Ash) then show up in Dead by Daylights and as guest stars in Mortal Kombat X, and in MK 11(with Ash. The guest stars are grouped in DLC packs so you can get Freddy, Jason, Ash, together). So it's not so much that the movies jump the shark but more that the shark bit down on Freddy and he gouged its eyes out while it tried to drown him.
 
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