Will Family Guy, South Park, Clone High, Bojack Horseman, Rick and Morty, and other adult animated shows be covered in the future?
Yes they will. Family Guy will probably be cancelled earlier after Seth McFarlane leaves, though having an earlier crossover with the Simpsons. Clone High would go on longer, avoiding the Ghandi controversy by revealing earlier in an episode that Ghandi was actually a Gary Coleman clone(a development that would have been revealed had the show continued). This likely leads into this...Will Family Guy, South Park, Clone High, Bojack Horseman, Rick and Morty, and other adult animated shows be covered in the future?
I was going to save that for when we discuss Asia, but I see all three as being independent.Anything of note with Hong Kong, Taiwan, and Macau?
So did anything significant happens in 1997 and 1999?I was going to save that for when we discuss Asia, but I see all three as being independent.
I was actually waiting to see if you had any ideas before posting a large update on the nations like with Europe. It is possible Taiwan is a swap. Communists having fled to Taiwan.So did anything significant happens in 1997 and 1999?
Also, why is Taiwan still independent ITTL? Is it a parallel where its Republicans fleeing Monarchists vs OTL's Nationalists fleeing Communists?
Oof, that would suck for the aboriginals and their culture. In my mind, a mini-PRC would, due to its size, might turn to more North Korean-style totalitarianism and hypermillitantism.I was actually waiting to see if you had any ideas before posting a large update on the nations like with Europe. It is possible Taiwan is a swap. Communists having fled to Taiwan.
I'll post what we did on Europe.Oof, that would suck for the aboriginals and their culture. In my mind, a mini-PRC would, due to its size, might turn to more North Korean-style totalitarianism and hypermillitantism.
Personally, maybe Hanian could be a fourth independent nation, like a Communist Taiwan to actual Taiwan. Although that would bring into question into how they would survive without being invaded.
Also, I do have my ideas, which I can post in our PMs.
I love it! Hopefully we can work on more stuff like this in the future.Alternate History is a common genre if not particularly an old one. Most works of Fiction could be considered to fall into this category. However, for brevity's sake we will lfocus on works of Fiction which identify themselves as Alternate History and in which the Alternate History is itself the focus, beginning first with the genre in literature
The genre had some early examples such as Winston Churchill's 1932 What if Lee hadn't won at Gettysburg? While originally intended to conclude with the North and South united with the British and World War I averted, Churchill instead saw an opportunity to research real history and make guesses as to what could have happened. While a short story, the implications are staggering. Churchill learned of Special Order 191 and pitched the order being lost and a battle at Gettysburg ending in a Confederate Victory. He got his pro British audience by introducing Britain and France promising to recognize the Confederacy if they gave up Slavery, which they did after CSA President Jefferson Davis was replaced by Robert E.Lee. There is also a second war for the States in 1881 which is a disaster thanks to the British and France getting involved. This leads to the US joining the Central Powers to get revenge during the Great War. This time, Britain and France lose as does the CSA, thanks to the leadership of Theodore Roosevelt(who Churchill met in real life and greatly admired). The story ends when the war does and a victory celebration being held in the US.
The story received one of its many sequels in 1953 with Bring the Jubilee. The story covered parts skimmed in Churchill's story such as the process of the CSA taking Mexico and parts of Central America. Otherwise the story involved a time travel plot to avert Lee's victory at Gettysburg, with the Protagonist implied to create(and becomes stuck in) our timeline.
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Cover to The Man in the High Castle
Then in 1962 a seminal work in the Genre debuted. Phillip K.Dick's The Man in the High Castle. The Novel depicts a world where the Axis won World War II and is set in an America split down the middle between the Japanese and German occupies(originally Phillip K.Dick was going to include the South as a broken off state but went against this as it would be too similar to Bring the Jubilee). Within this universe is a book titled The Grasshopper Lies Heavy, which depicts an Allied Victory in World War II but different from how we know it. The book was a success and Phillip K.Dick would visit the genre several times. Despite the research for the novel making him depressed. He did decided to release a sequel two years later in 1964.
Storming the High Castle, saw the collapse of the world Phillip K.Dick had built. Heinrich Himmler has won the German Civil War and celebrates by melting down the Liberty Bell and destroying the Statue of Liberty. This causes a second American Revolution, led by Ferris F.Fremont, a clear Nixon Analogue, which is successful. Heinrich Himmler then begins Operation: Ragnarok, which would launch nukes and destroy the entire world. Reynard Heydritch learns about this plan and starts another war against his former enemies to stop Himmler. There is also a subplot about a German reporter discovering a conspiracy, which turns out to be the Reich's effort to cover up the Holocaust, as the Reich was told the Jewish population had been relocated. This news causes the United States(now led by Joseph Kennedy Sr after President Fremont is assassinated) to back out of forming an alliance with Germany against Japan. Instead the US, a newly liberated Britain, and Japan united to defeat the German Reich for good.
The two books were both adapted into a tv series, simply called The Man in the High Castle that lasted three seasons. It also inspired The New Order: Last Days of Europe, a mod for the World War II simulator game Hearts of Iron IV. Like in the first novel Hitler dies and a German civil War breaks out between Goring, Heydritch, Himmler, Bormann and others(A German Civil War is mentioned in both works with same players so here its made a little direct).
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The Borders of the world of The Domination of the Draka as recorded by Whatifalthist.
In the 1970's The Iron Dream, about Hitler moving to America and becoming a Science Fiction Writer and For Want of a Nail was released, which depicted the American Revolution fizzling out and the creation of two countries based off of it. S.M.Stirling create The Domination of the Draka series, which chronicled the history of a fictional version of South Africa, which expanded to conquer a great deal of Africa(though not the entire continent). While not a world conquering power, the presence of the Draka sends ripple effects across the rest of the world, leading to a surviving Nazi Germany, a Soviet Union, and a more imperial America.
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Jake Featherston in the HBO Series
However, it would not be until the 90's in which Harry Turtledove would come onto the scene and become known as the "King of Alternate History". While WorldWar, which involves alien invading during World War II, is an original work, Turtledove did make several contributions to the worlds of other authors. His contributions to Timeline 191 not only added details such as George Custer and that it was is idea to refer to tanks as Barrels(something which Churchill came up with one he realized the origin for the word tank would be different), but also made the biggest addition to the Alternate Universe in the form of a second World War, introducing Adolf Hitler analogue, Jake Featherston, who became the main antagonist. Other details introduced by Turtledove would be expanded upon. For example, the series depicted the alternate Superman as a being known as Colonel Union, while the Confederacy countered with a hero called Captain Confederacy. Both were featured in DC Comics as part of an alternate Universe, the backstory expanded to reveal they are from a universe where Superman had a brother that he was separated from while travelling to Earth which became Captain Confederacy.
By popular demand, Turtledove expanded the series into the future, something he was initially uninterested in doing until he partnered with Eugene Byrne and Kim Newman to make Back in the USSA. As expanded in Turtledove's books, Theodore Roosevelt had become President in 1912 and so never busted the trust funds due to the war occupying his time. In the series he was assassinated during the victory celebration in Chicago by sharpshooter Annie Oakley in 1917, giving a dark twist to the original Churchill story. Roosevelt is shot and begins to responds with "It' takes more than one bullet to kill the..." only for his head to explode when the second bullet hits. This led to Eugene V Debs and then Upton Sinclair becoming President but also to the rise of Joe Steele to the Presidency, who murders his political opponent Franklin Delano Roosevelt in a house fire in what is implied to be the second Roosevelt he had killed. Joe Steele then rises as Dictator of the Country and clashes with Jake Featherston in a Five Way Civil War that also has New England, and two factions led by Douglas MacArthur and Huey Long break off, creating a five way Civil War. Despite this the rivalry between Joe Steele and Jake Featherston(Referred to be fans as Steele vs Feathers), remains the highlight as their forces clash. Steele ultimately wins in the series.
Back in the USSA, which is the name for the now Communist USA under Joe Steele, reveals that Joe Steele dies in the 50's and a power struggle ensued. While the implication of a Cold War between Japan and the USSA was already implied, things escalated when the trio of writers introduced Charles Oswald, the alternate timeline's John F.Kennedy, who is revealed to be a greater antagonist than even Joe Steele due to his charisma and sociopathic nature. Oswald escalates the violence and launches several nuclear weapons in 1972 before he is overthrown in a coup by Nixon, who succeeds him and then begins a series of reforms. Japan also begins to become less imperial after the death of Emperor Hirohito in 1989. The UK, being the home of Byrne and Newman, gets fleshed out more and essentially grows to resemble America in many ways, while the CSA resembles Post War Germany and Russia grows to resemble the United Kingdom under the leadership of Queen Anastasia. Like the Nazi Victory scenario, the was a Hearts of Iron IV mod inspired by this scenario as well with details being fleshed out such as countries often not depicted(ITTL this mod is essentially OTL's Kaiserreich with several other alternate Universes added for flavor).
Turtledove's many other works include Guns of the South, which can be folded into the Churchill short story as to how the Confederates won due to Time travellers from Drakia giving them Ak47s. The Man with the Iron Heart about Reynard Heydrich surviving his assassination attempt, Ruled Britannia about the Spanish conquering England. In the Presence of Mine Enemies, which depicted the collapse of the German Reich on the Nazi Victory Earth depicted by Phillip K.Dick.
However, he reached his peak with the release of The Two Georges, which he wrote with Richard Dreyfus and became a film, leading to a greater demand for his work, including a television series adaptation of his Timeline 191 novel series Settling Accounts, referred to as Timeline 191 and running on HBO, covering the events from the start of the Great War, with Flashbacks relating earlier events such as the divergence, until the defeat of Charles Oswald, played Menacingly by James Marsden. The third Series Poster is now iconic(John F.Kennedy...err... Charles Oswald's face wearing sunglasses and smiling menacingly while Mushroom Clouds are reflected in the shades and the series tagline..."What Madness is This?").
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Part of the Poster for HBO's Timeline 191 Season 5
Outside of his contributions to the Timeline 191 series, Kim Newman is known for his crossover series, Anno Dracula, in which Dracula took over Britain, after emerging victorious in the original book. Another book by Kim Stanley Robinson was released titled The Years of Rice and Salt in which the Bubonic Plague wipes out a greater percentage of Europe(70 to 80% rather than 99% namely Scandinavia, Iceland, Scotland, Ireland, the Alps, Euskadi, the Benelux, Milan, Poland, Eastern Germany, Czechoslovakia, Western Ukraine, the Baltics, and Finland surviving), leading to Arabic and Asian influence being dominant in the world but technology progressing slower as those cultures historically intentionally delayed progressing in technology.
Map of Areas impacted by the Bubonic Plague.
I'll share my much bigger Alternate History.com list next time. There's also Original Alternate History TV Shows to cover. This was mostly covering Literature, specifically anything in Book form with some Adaptations of those work.I love it! Hopefully we can work on more stuff like this in the future.
Not sure yet. other than it exists.How does the Counterculture turn out ITTL?
I feel like the Republican 1960s and 1969-1977 JFK presidency would have an impact on them.Not sure yet. other than it exists.
The only version of this story that I familiar is the Book from Virgin Press"Cat's Cradle" by Marc Platt. The TARDIS is turned inside-out, forcing the Doctor to navigate through an alien landscape in order to restore his time machine.
To be fair, Castrovalva does not exist ITTL, so something had to take its place.The only version of this story that I familiar is the Book from Virgin Press
I can not imagine that story being made due to the cost of the World presented .
Even with a higher budget , it would be as bad as Castrovalva was in the OTL.
And when they released in on DVD with the new effects , I sure it would look a lot better .To be fair, Castrovalva does not exist ITTL, so something had to take its place.