Truly Spanish civil war

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Hitler dies in WW1, leading to the a German civil war between the Communist party (backed by the Soviet Union) and the Party for Working Class Fascism (backed by the Italian Union), the Libertarian Black Army (made up of the Spartakusbund, the Anarchists, and the supporters from the Free Territory)


Trotsky escapes to Austria with a large number of supporters and Red Army soldiers and Creates the Free Balkan Soviet Federation in alliance with the Orthodox Church (think Soviet Poland and the Catholic Church)

Trotsky causes confusion in the Red Army, allowing a rump White state to consolidate itself behind the Caucuses and the Makhno to set control the Ukraine.

Mussolini becomes a National Syndicalist, under a more leftist form, creating the Italian Union of Peasant and Proletarian Syndicates and Councils.

The political left is divided along 3 lines, one follows the Roman Doctrine, one Trotskyte, one Stalinist.

This division allows a National Front victory in Spain, soon the CNT, POUM, UGT, CPS, Social Fascist Falange and The Movement for Social Salvation (Liberation Theology unique to Spain, mixed with Catholic Workerism) meet to plan a rising against the Nationalist government. The rising gives the Left the advantage of planning and surprise the Left had IOTL. Is this realistic

The Basque and Catalan Nationalists are with the nationalist government as it gave them independence
 
Hitler dies in WW1, leading to the a German civil war between the Communist party (backed by the Soviet Union) and the Party for Working Class Fascism (backed by the Italian Union), the Libertarian Black Army (made up of the Spartakusbund, the Anarchists, and the supporters from the Free Territory)


Trotsky escapes to Austria with a large number of supporters and Red Army soldiers and Creates the Free Balkan Soviet Federation in alliance with the Orthodox Church (think Soviet Poland and the Catholic Church)

Trotsky causes confusion in the Red Army, allowing a rump White state to consolidate itself behind the Caucuses and the Makhno to set control the Ukraine.

Mussolini becomes a National Syndicalist, under a more leftist form, creating the Italian Union of Peasant and Proletarian Syndicates and Councils.

The political left is divided along 3 lines, one follows the Roman Doctrine, one Trotskyte, one Stalinist.

This division allows a National Front victory in Spain, soon the CNT, POUM, UGT, CPS, Social Fascist Falange and The Movement for Social Salvation (Liberation Theology unique to Spain, mixed with Catholic Workerism) meet to plan a rising against the Nationalist government. The rising gives the Left the advantage of planning and surprise the Left had IOTL. Is this realistic

The Basque and Catalan Nationalists are with the nationalist government as it gave them independence

Yeah.....none of this seems plausible or likely. Also Mussolini was a National Syndicalist. Thats what Fascism is. Hell it got its start in the Anarcho-Syndicalist Socialist fighting leagues. Having the name change seems weird. Also how is Germany at all different immediately following WW1 without Hitler? Hitler's first major impact on history doesn't even happen unit latter the Kapp Putsch, how the hell does it make a difference here? And independence for the Catalans and Basques? Firstly the Nationalists were opposed to independence, so were the Republicans, and the PNV were pro-Republic. They offered to reinstate the Fueros, but that is once again halted by the anti-Falangist stance of the PNV and the massive socialist movements in working class industrial Catalonia. Secondly, with a POD in between 1914 and 1918, its assured that butterflies could have wiped Mussolini off the planet, completely changed the course of Spanish history, and diverted WW2 completely.
 

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Yeah.....none of this seems plausible or likely. Also Mussolini was a National Syndicalist. Thats what Fascism is. Hell it got its start in the Anarcho-Syndicalist Socialist fighting leagues. Having the name change seems weird. Also how is Germany at all different immediately following WW1 without Hitler? Hitler's first major impact on history doesn't even happen unit latter the Kapp Putsch, how the hell does it make a difference here? And independence for the Catalans and Basques? Firstly the Nationalists were opposed to independence, so were the Republicans, and the PNV were pro-Republic. They offered to reinstate the Fueros, but that is once again halted by the anti-Falangist stance of the PNV and the massive socialist movements in working class industrial Catalonia. Secondly, with a POD in between 1914 and 1918, its assured that butterflies could have wiped Mussolini off the planet, completely changed the course of Spanish history, and diverted WW2 completely.


The Nationalist Front included the independence parties, it wasn't the same as OTL

ITTL fascism was NATIONAL syndicalist TTL is national SYNDICALIST.
 
The Nationalist Front included the independence parties, it wasn't the same as OTL

ITTL fascism was NATIONAL syndicalist TTL is national SYNDICALIST.

You don't understand, history doesn't work that way. Why are the Nationalists more appealing to the independence parties, and how in the world do they have the support of the military, when even the people of Catalonia and Basqueland were for nothing more then autonomy from the central government?

Oh, so instead of being Fascists, they're Portuguese fascists. Fantastic turn around.
 

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You don't understand, history doesn't work that way. Why are the Nationalists more appealing to the independence parties, and how in the world do they have the support of the military, when even the people of Catalonia and Basqueland were for nothing more then autonomy from the central government?

Oh, so instead of being Fascists, they're Portuguese fascists. Fantastic turn around.

I meant autonomy, the global Left, save for the Roman International are big believers in proletarian internationalsim at the expense of national independance. It was a military backed front
 
I meant autonomy, the global Left, save for the Roman International are big believers in proletarian internationalsim at the expense of national independance. It was a military backed front

How much research have you done into the immediate period after WW1. 1917(on the Eastern Front) -1921?
 
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