"Troubles" on D-Day

What would be the impact of the following events both coming together:

- An additional division is present in Normandy when the landings take place. This is a basic Wehrmacht division, but an extra division none the less... it's scattered throughout the countryside, but some elements are in place on Juno beach. While the Canadian landings suceede, they encounter trouble, and Canadian forces suffer about 3,100 dead and more injured, as opposed to 340 or so dead and some 739 injured as per OTL.

- The airborn landings go much worse than OTL - OTL projections assumed cassualties of 50% or more - the planners were overjoyed to get away with only 30%, while the paratroopers took their objectives, and all in all did quite well. Let's assume that instead of doing so well, they do a bit worse than projected - let's assume 55% losses, and altogether slightly worse performance than as per-OTL. This could happen for a number of reasons, including German AA teams being better prepared and trained, or the Luftwaffe making a suprise appearance, or any other sort of situation, combined with the presence in the area the paratroopers hit of extra troops from that other division.

I'm confident that the Americans would still push out of Normandy and go on to a situation similar to OTL, but what would the effects be? Assuming the fighting in the Boccage is even fiercer in this TL than in OTL, since that extra division is still there, and that the Canadians got mauled and the paratroopers as well... how will this impact allied performance? How much will it slow them by? Will the D-Day invasion be viewed differently later on? Immediatly after? What are your thoughts?
 
Combined with the losses that in OTL and I suppose in this ATL also will happen of the US troops in the "Bloody Omaha" + that large storm that during mid june hitted severely the supply capacity of the allies, damaging the mulberries and making a nightmare the supply and the combat for the allies, this could mean a very long campaign in Normandy, with these problems Anvil would be delayed? or simplily it would not exist using the troops as reinforcements to Normandy?
 
Combined with the losses that in OTL and I suppose in this ATL also will happen of the US troops in the "Bloody Omaha" + that large storm that during mid june hitted severely the supply capacity of the allies, damaging the mulberries and making a nightmare the supply and the combat for the allies, this could mean a very long campaign in Normandy, with these problems Anvil would be delayed? or simplily it would not exist using the troops as reinforcements to Normandy?

Interesting points. The real question is, how will this effect the final disposition of Europe at the Yalta conference or whatever replaces it. Will the Soviets be able to grab more of Germany? Could this result in worse losses for the Russians as they fight their way into Germany? After all, the more the western allies were slowed down, the longer the German industrial base in the west would remain in their hands and useable... although, considering how much bombing the allies were doing, would that industrial capacity even be useable?
 
It is no doubt that with these butterflies initiated the things will become different, the sufficient to possibily made last more the WWII in the European scenario, first of all the difficulties in Normandy could made Cobra not succeed, in OTL Cobra was implemented after the failure of the operations against Caen, the allies not expected the total success that it was and that caused the attempt of the germans to cut in two the allied forces with the counterattack at Mortain, his failure also caused the drama of the Falaise Pocket and the very heavy losses and the general retreat in France of the german armies.

But all this could be easily butterflied with this more stubborn resistence at Normany.

The problem with the soviets is that although initially they will benefit like in OTL of the fact of having the germans a great segment of their forces in the West and we could say that his offensive in Belarus will have probably the same amount of success that in OTL, the things could become different when the soviets begin their offensive in Rumania, once that it is clear for the germans that they are offering a rough and effective resistance in Normandy, the temptations to offer the soviets a version of OTL Bulge offensive with the Waffen SS troops and the reserves that in this ATL, with the western allies having far more difficulties to advance in France than in OTL and also the great probability that the germans not suffer such disaster as the Falaise Pocket, will not be so necessary to maintain in the west like in OTL, A Rumanian Counteroffensive intentended to maintain the control of the oil in Rumania or a counteroffensive in Poland-Belarus to maintain the soviet forces away of the sacred german soil -Eastern Prussia- could be probable (a name of Operation Mjolnir -Thor´s hammer- could be interesting for the final chosen option to offensive).

The results of this counteroffensive are uncertain, although the soviets had a good numerity superiority we should remember that in OTL in march 1945 the germans made his last offensive of the war in the plains of Hungary with the unrealistic aim to retake Budapest, in any case during some days the german troops got to cause severe losses to the soviets and some panic sensation within the Soviet High Command, in this possible ATL the situation and time of this possible counteroffensive (in Rumania or Poland) would be far more favourable for the germans to obtain some kind of tactic victory.

The possible situation at the time of an ATL Yalta Conference in february 1945 could be worse for the western allies than in OTL but the soviets could have also a worse situation than in OTL, by this time the allies could control all France and great part of Belgium but is possible that Alsace and Lorraine continues in hands of the germans or in process of being retaken by the allies against a stubborn nazi resistance, in the east the soviets could control Rumania and Bulgaria and probably the british and greeks resistants have the control of Greece -and surely a civil confrontation like in OTL have begin also in Greece-, the germans but could have be able to maintain a stable front based in the Carphatian Mountains and the mountanous zones north of Danube -they would control Croacia for example- this means that the oil of Hungary remains in the hands of the germans, in the other aspect in Poland-Belarus the soviets could be stay at this moment confronting a hard frontline with the germans in the outskirts of Warsaw while Eastern Prussia could be also the next objective of a soviet offensive (we could suppose that the soviets control the baltic states and Finland has surrendered).

The situation seems that the germans could delay his own defeat at least until autumn 1945.
 

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A more damaged Allied offensive will put the stick in the wheel or the Soviets but I diagree with you that the Soivets will suffer more. The Soviets will change the nature of their offensive and throw everything at Berlin. I think that the final battle would be in Poland not in Hungary.
 
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