Troubles last into modern day

Discussion in 'Alternate History Discussion: After 1900' started by Noscoper, Apr 17, 2019.

  1. Byzantion Well-Known Member

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    Maybe if the British military and allied paramilitaries reacted more harshly militarily against insurgents ? Maybe even with aircraft. Maybe if Home rule had never been revoked.
     
  2. sparky42 CMII

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    How exactly do you think they could have used the RAF against the Republicans? Also not sure what you mean about Home Rule?
     
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    Sadly can’t change hatred. ☹️
     
  4. Viper91 Donor

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    9/11 actually improved the situation quite a bit. A lot of Irish Americans had no problem sending money back to the home country, albeit indirectly in many cases. Quite a bit of IRA funds came from the US.

    Suddenly one day terrorists flew two jets into the World Trade Center, a third into The Pentagon, and nearly attacked a 4th target before Flight 93 plowed into a field in Pennsylvania.

    Terrorism isn't a big deal when it happens "over there" and has no direct or indirect impact on you, but a lot of people had their world view rotated 180 degrees after the 9/11 attacks when they could look out their window at the WTC, or the lack thereof in the days after 9/11.
     
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    Hate to break it to you but that continued even after 9/11, I know in the mid 00s in Boston there were a few times I was at events were there was "fund raising for the cause" even after the GFA.
     
  6. sendô Well-Known Member

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    The likelihood is if the Belfast Agreement hadn't been signed and decommissioning hadn't started in 1998 - even though support and enthusiasm was already waning - then 11th September 2001 would as good as end support and funding from the previously terrorist friendly American public.
     
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    Again as I’ve said well after 9/11 I’ve first hand experience of that support for dissidents still there even with the GFA. The PIRA getting arms from Libya even with Lockerbie didn’t stop support from the US either. The couple of times I encountered it they were perfectly able to support the War on Terror while supporting dissidents in NI.
     
  8. sendô Well-Known Member

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    There's always be support from diehards, but before 11/9 it was perfectly acceptable as a mainstream thought to be pro PIRA. Once the NE USA starts getting a taste of that it's not politically palatable for it to continue.

    More likely is HM Government insists on Dubya clamping down US funding in exchange for UK participation on the "War on Terror", otherwise it's a "War on some Terror but not all terror, only brown muslim terror but not catholic Irish terror"
     
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    This was openly fundraising at Irish bars with a cop actually involved on one occasion, like I said PIRA's relationship with nations/entities that the US political and public views were hostile to didn't hurt them through the Troubles and still doesn't for Dissidents. As to the UK forcing the issue, depends very much on the political calculations for the US, as they know the UK isn't going to sit out Afghanistan anyway.
     
  10. Byzantion Well-Known Member

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    Than there also had been Gadaffi's supllies.
     
  11. Viper91 Donor

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    Was it as significant as it was before 9/11? There's always going to be diehards or old fossils around who can't or don't want to change their ways. If before 9/11 everyone did it and after 9/11 only a handful of locations did it, there's still a vast difference.
     
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    Well not being in the Ra I couldn't tell you their fundraising history.
     
  13. mattep74 Well-Known Member

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    One week after September 11 2001 i Heard on the news that IRA would be looking for a political solution. If they had not and continued attacking London would start saying "IRA is connected with Al-qaida" and whatever support IRA had outside northern Ireland would vanish. Bush would publicly go on TV and start speaking about IRA and Al-qaida as one. Then the leadership of IRA get phone calls from SAS asking them to lay down their arms Before a Tomahawk is launched.
     
  14. sparky42 CMII

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    What?
    Like seriously what?