Trial of the Century: A Hitler is Captured Collaborative Timeline

nbcman

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June 4th, 1945: Soviet and American forces in Germany announce that the majority of the ethnic German population will be enslaved and exterminated in concentration work camps similar to the ones that enemies of the Nazi state were enslaved in.
This was not going to happen and was never considered. Even if they tried, where would they be able to 'enslave' over 70 million Germans?

EDIT: What purpose does this inflammatory post have to this timeline? Are the Germans going to ally with the British and French against the barbaric Soviets and Americans?
EDIT2: You may want to read this about plausibility in the post-1900 forum which CalBear posted on another thread that had some issues with the probability of the events in it:
I understand how difficult it is to create this sort of T/L (boy do I understand), but there is a "plausibility" standard that has existed here in Post 1900 since before the pre & post 1900 split occurred. It was well entrenched when I joined 11+ years ago, and has not been changed.

You will receive lots of feedback here, most of it constructive, but all of it will freely question plausibility. This scenario is not just improbable, it is quite literally impossible. There are a number of members here who are, at a minimum, very well read amateurs in just about every subject. This is especially true when it comes to WW II and WW II equipment. I am still startled occasionally at how comprehensive the knowledge of members here are subjects like aircraft and weapon systems (e.g. there is a member here, who is sadly inactive at the moment, who has written several well known reference books on small arms).

You can have a really enjoyable and educational (in the best possible sense) time here and the feedback can definitely help you sharpen up your writing (speaking from experience here), but what will lessen the enjoyment here is pushing something that is flatly impossible and trying to pass it off as plausible/

You might want to do a bit more research and try a reboot of this scenario.

If you want to continue it you might want to consider the Writer's Forum, since it is meant for pure fiction there is something less of an emphasis on plausibility in that Forum. You might also want to consider ASB. You can get away with almost anything fanciful there, since the "Alien Space Bat" can just make thing possible.
 
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Okay, that won't happen either. I made that post because I wanted to explore the ideas of vengeance vs. justice, especially since Nazi Germany claimed their actions were partially due to vengeance.
 
Okay, that won't happen either. I made that post because I wanted to explore the ideas of vengeance vs. justice, especially since Nazi Germany claimed their actions were partially due to vengeance.

The Morgenthau Plan is a more OTL-accurate version of vengeance that did provoke a deeper no-surrender ethos in the Wehrmacht. Truman's getting made into a very one-dimensional butcher here.

By the way, the ethnic cleansing and cultural annihilation (but not mass slaughter "beyond" widespread starvation caused by Morgenthau's plan) is much more likely on the table if Himmler becomes Fuhrer in 1944 after the bomb plot (or even in 1943).
 
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May 9th, 1945: While in Soviet custody, Hitler gives a lengthy interview in which he denounces: "The slimy capitalist pigs who had to destroy my perfect vision! If my generals were more competent, our German brothers would be living in paradise at this moment. I hope they all burn in hell."
Why would Hitler screech about "capitalist pigs"? He didn't believe in class warfare.

May 13th, 1945: Joseph Stalin agrees to have Hitler, Goebbels and the other Nazis in their possession to be handed over to the International War Crimes Tribunal.
If the Soviets got their hands on Hitler, there's no way they'd turn him over to the Allies. They'd just give him a quick show trial followed by a bullet to the head.
 
A minor footnote in history.

Not even that; a wiki curiosity page.

It's hard to object to the notion that criminals and lunatics shouldn't raise children; their children end up in foster care every day in any country today. Goebbels would be judged a war criminal if caught alive, and thus become an unfit parent - not to mention that he'd also be hanged. His wife would be labeled a certified lunatic, thus also unfit.

It's also pretty hard to object to the fact that prospect adoptive families get vetted, every day, today, in any country, for mainstream thinking. Granted, conformity had to be pretty extreme in Stalin's USSR, but it's a pattern that is present anywhere. Mainstream-thinking foster or adoptive parents will rear children in the mainstream, obviously.
 
So, what about Operation Downfall? Will it go ahead as Anami, as Decisive Darkness shows us, will have the Japanese fight on even if they have to eat grass, sleep in the fields, and wallow in the dirt?
 
If the Soviets got their hands on Hitler, there's no way they'd turn him over to the Allies. They'd just give him a quick show trial followed by a bullet to the head.

Oh, I don't know. In any case, it wouldn't be a matter of turning him over "to the Allies" (which include the Soviets), but to an international ad-hoc court, instead of a national (Soviet) court. By a series of extraordinary coincidences, most of the defendants of Nuremberg had happened to move West, and entirely by chance they were captured by Western forces, at the end of the war. But if the Soviets hold the ace, then it's entirely possible that an IMT does get to judge him and the others - only, it will be under Soviet rules, in the Soviet Zone, with a Soviet judge as the president of the judging panel, etc. If the three other powers refuse these conditions, then yes, the Soviets will have to have a national trial.
 
Oh, I don't know. In any case, it wouldn't be a matter of turning him over "to the Allies" (which include the Soviets), but to an international ad-hoc court, instead of a national (Soviet) court. By a series of extraordinary coincidences, most of the defendants of Nuremberg had happened to move West, and entirely by chance they were captured by Western forces, at the end of the war. But if the Soviets hold the ace, then it's entirely possible that an IMT does get to judge him and the others - only, it will be under Soviet rules, in the Soviet Zone, with a Soviet judge as the president of the judging panel, etc. If the three other powers refuse these conditions, then yes, the Soviets will have to have a national trial.

IOTL the Soviets tried to use the Nuremberg trials to pin the Katyn Massacre on the Nazis. Having a bigger prize (Hitler) wouldn't change that.
 
Earlier PoDs.

April 10, 1599: Gabrielle d’Estrées wife of King Henri IV of France gave birth to a stillborn daughter. She dies the following day.

April 11-12, 1912: Thanks to an officer who handed over his keys to a locker containing binoculars to his colleague, RMS Titanic is able to detect a giant iceberg and steered to evade it, hence saving the ship in TTL.

May 27, 1942: Operation Anthropoid the mission to kill Reinhard Heydrich fails.

December 25, 1944: An infighting amongst the German army in Channel Islands occurs over the issue on whether to surrender to the allies or not since they're starving.

January 4, 1945: The locals at Channel Islands exploited the infighting to start a rebellion.

January 14, 1945: A military operation codenamed "Constellation" is mounted to liberate the Channel Islands. The Allies won after 2 days.
 
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Now the main course.

May 2, 1945: At the same day when Hitler is captured, famous rocket scientist Wernher von Braun surrenders to the US army.

June 19, 1945: Reinhard Heydrich is captured after his hideout in western Germany is raided.

June 20, 1945: US Secretary of State approves the transfer of von Braun and his team to USA, presumably under Operation Paperclip.

July 16, 1945: United States tests its first atomic bomb as part of Manhattan project.

August 6, 1945: US drops "Little Boy" nuke onto Hiroshima, Japan.

August 9, 1945: Nagasaki became the second city to be obilerated by a nuclear weapon. USSR declares war on Japan as in OTL.

August 12, 1945: Emperor Hirohito informed the imperial family his intention to surrender.

August 13, 1945: After a heated argument with the Emperor, Anami decides to accept the status quo grudgingly.

August 14, 1945: Japanese PM Anami commits seppuku as in OTL.

August 21, 1945: Young Heinrich Hitler is given to a Soviet official who is also a habitual domestic abuser.

September 2, 1945: Japan signs an instrument of surrender with the Allies, ending the second World War.

September 8, 1945: United States Army set up shop in the southern part of the Korean peninsula.
 
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October 3, 1945: Soviet Union set up shop in Northern Korea, starting the division of the peninsula.

October 24, 1945: Vidkun Quisling the pro-Nazi collaborator is executed in Norway.

November 20, 1945: Nazi top brasses including Hitler and Heydrich are being trialed at Nuremberg for war crimes.

December 3, 1945: The remnants of Nazi guerrillas "Werwolf" launched an attack on a Soviet military facility with a bomb blast. The Goebbels children and their foster parents with jobs at the military are killed in the blast.

December 6, 1945: Guerrillas responsible for the Dec 3 attack are captured.

December 7, 1945: Red Army pillaged a German village and executed the guerrillas and dozens of SS captives as a reprisal.

December 21, 1945: US general George Patton dies of heart failure.

December 31, 1945: British Home Guard is disbanded.

January 5, 1946: Adolf Eichmann, the Nazi German architect of the Final Solution, escaped from the American detention camp in Oberdachstetten.

January 7, 1946: The Allies restored Austria as a sovereign republic, with the borders it had before its 1937 annexation by Germany, but continued to administer the nation in four occupation zones. The largest cities in each zone were Innsbruck (French), Salzburg (American), Graz (British), and the area around Vienna (Soviet). Vienna itself was occupied by all four powers.

January 13, 1946: A ceasefire took effect at midnight, Chongqing time, between the two sides in the Chinese Civil War which erupted in the wake of WWII. General George C. Marshall of the United States mediated the terms of the truce between General Chang Ch'un of the Nationalists, and Zhou Enlai of the Communists.

February 1, 1946: Trygve Lie of Norway is selected as the first United Nations Secretary-General.

March 5, 1946: Winston Churchill gave the infamous "Iron Curtain" speech.

March 9, 1946: Juho Kusti Paasikivi becomes president of Finland.

March 31, 1946: Chinese Civil War between KMT and communists broke out after the ceasefire fails.

May 10, 1946: The first V-2 rocket is successfully launched at the White Sands Missile Range.

September 30–October 1, 1946: In a widely televised event, Hitler and some of his subordinates are sentenced to death.

October 16, 1946: Nazi war criminals including Hitler are executed in Nuremberg by hanging. Hitler's last words are Deutsche, hier steh' ich ("Germans, here I stand"), in imitation of Martin Luther.

October 24, 1946: A U.S. launched V-2 rocket took the first pictures from space, at a height of 105 kilometers.

December 23, 1946: R A Smith of the British Interplanetary Society submitted a proposal to the British government regarding a plan to modify a V-2 rocket to carry a man into space. The latter was intrigued at first but since their budget are quite tight they approached the U.S. government to conduct a joint space program based on Smith's proposal. U.S. President Truman would eventually turn down the proposal thereafter.
 
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nbcman

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Earlier PoDs.

April 10, 1599: Gabrielle d’Estrées wife of King Henri IV of France gave birth to a stillborn daughter. She dies the following day.

April 11-12, 1912: Thanks to an officer who handed over his keys to a locker containing binoculars to his colleague, RMS Titanic is able to detect a giant iceberg and steered to evade it, hence saving he ship in TTL.

May 27, 1942: Operation Anthropoid the mission to kill Reinhard Heydrich fails.

14 January 1945: A military operation codenamed "Constellation" is mounted to liberate the Channel Islands. The Allies won after 2 months of fighting.

Two things:

Reinhard Heydrich was dead in 1942. There hasn't been any mention of his survival and the failure of the OTL Op. Anthropoid before this post.

Why would the Allies invade the Channel Islands at all let alone during the winter at the same time the Battle of the Bulge is going on?
 
Two things:

Reinhard Heydrich was dead in 1942. There hasn't been any mention of his survival and the failure of the OTL Op. Anthropoid before this post.

Why would the Allies invade the Channel Islands at all let alone during the winter at the same time the Battle of the Bulge is going on?

Fixed.
 
January 3, 1947: Proceedings of the United States Congress are televised for the first time.

February 20, 1947: U.S. send fruit flies up to space with a V-2 rocket, making them the first terrestrial animals to do so.

March 12, 1947: The Truman Doctrine is proclaimed to help stem the spread of Communism.

May 22, 1947: Start of Cold War as the Truman Doctrine is implemented by the U.S.

June 25, 1947: Anne Frank's diary is published for the first time after the author's death two years earlier.

July 8, 1947: A supposedly downed extraterrestrial spacecraft is reportedly found near Roswell, New Mexico.

August 14, 1947: Pakistan gain independence from British Empire.

August 15, 1947: India gain independence from British Empire.

October 14, 1947: U.S. test pilot Chuck Yeager became the first man to break the sound barrier.

November 13, 1947: AK-47 is introduced in the Soviet Union.
 
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