Here's an idea if your interested in German interests in the Americas: Germany starts armaments trade with Mexico, and like OTL a british spy records the plans and forwards them to the americans, leading to Wilson declaring war on Germany and Mexico, so WW1 devolves into a static naval war between in the atlantic between the US and Britain, as well as a land war between the US and Mexico.
Treaty of Brest-Litovsk post-CP victory map!
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Hapsburg said:
Actually, if the Netherlands were completely annexed into an Imperial Germany, they would probably return to the princely flag that they had before, wouldn't they? Maybe one with an Iron Cross on it or something to signify that it is part of the Reich.
Bismarck said:
If Germany defeats the Allies in WW1 while America is preparing to fight, would the US lose most of its overseas colonies like the Phillipines, Hawaii, Midway, and others in the Caribean like Puerto Rico? How much could America lose?
More likely I think the Americans simply perform an about - face, and announce to the German embassy their desire to re establish cordial relations. Since this happens before the Americans have actually fought against Germany I think the Imperial government would readily accept. There is no way for the Germans to make the Americans do anything - no indemnity, and certainly no losses in terms of colonies, etc. It is the same problem as with Japan - too far away to do anything about it, and in America's case, far too powerful to turn into a major enemy. I don't think Germany would want an unnecessary conflict anyway, considering the amount of energy necessary to create and maintain (in the first few years) their Mitteleuropa.
Okay, and how much Mittelafricana could Germany obtain from her victory? Maybe all the French, Belgian, and Portuguese colonies? I can't seeing her seizing too much of Britain's possessions. Could they do that?
I don't think it would be realistic for the Germans to make a claim for ALL of
French, Portugese, etc. Africa, because it would be a logistical nightmare in terms of trying to set up a beaucracy to run it, and run it smoothly (and make a profit, too, let's not forget). Probably they would press to get southwest Africa back from Britain, and Kamerun from France; Congo is a given, as well as Morocco. Portugal could see her African holdings divided between Britain and Germany, while Togo is expanded with neighboring French territory. Maybe a little bit of French Central Africa. So, the Germans have as a result a substantial empire but one that is quite managable.
French, Portugese, etc. Africa, because it would be a logistical nightmare in terms of trying to set up a beaucracy to run it, and run it smoothly (and make a profit, too, let's not forget). Probably they would press to get southwest Africa back from Britain, and Kamerun from France; Congo is a given, as well as Morocco. Portugal could see her African holdings divided between Britain and Germany, while Togo is expanded with neighboring French territory. Maybe a little bit of French Central Africa. So, the Germans have as a result a substantial empire but one that is quite managable.
Also there's a problem that if Germany gain much of central and southern Africa, how can the British control and maintain their Capetown to Cairo railroad? And what of the question of South Africa's independence and her European allegiances?
Germany needs Britain's agreement to German acquisistion in order for them to even get to Africa. Unless there is a crippling 1918 - style defeat for Britain (and they lose a significant portion of their navy - either to Germany or it is sunk) then the Germans will have to play nice with the British Empire. Besides, I don't think that the Germans would want to keep antagonizing the British since it would lead to greater problems in the future.
Algeria could be partitioned with some of the more valuable coast being added to Morocco.
The Germans might also be interested in Indo-China along with more holdings in the Pacific.
If British is going to help carve up the Portuguese then they might as well take Goa on the grounds it is part of India.
Bulgaria really, really should have Macedonia on that map. It was their most important wartime goal, and anyway, they occupied it early in the war.
I see two possibilities for Finland:1) It could become an independent Kingdom with a German Hollerzollern as it King. As such it would probably be a lot larger that Finland was perhaps reaching the Whit Sea or if Sweden joined the Central Powers it might become part of an enlarged Swedish Kingdom.
Why should Sweden join the Central Powers? The Germans and Austrians feared the Russians. The Turks hated the Russians,. The Swedes though seem to have given up of the lands they lost to the Russians over a hundred years earlier; if they had wanted them back they could have joined the British and French in the Crimean War. They did not.
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The Ottomans had no particular hate for the Russians. There is no particular affinity or hostility that would have much impact on Ottoman calculations. After 1878, relations between Russia and the Ottomans could be characterized as "detente".
But only if they can connect to them by land or sea. What they might demand are the Caucasus Mountains and the Crimea (the latter used to be Ottoman before the last Russo-Turkish war). If the Italians have joined the Entente then the Ottomans might be able to get Libya back (I consider this to be a low probability). In addition they could get Cyprus back off the British. They could try asking for Egypt back as well, but I doubt that they will get very far here.