TotrueTufaar
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Anyone think Germany would go through with the plans to make Canada a personal possession of the Kaiser?
Treaty of Brest-Litovsk post-CP victory map!
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Kaiser James I said:From what I've read, Luxemburg would become a German federal state within the Reich and will receive a strip of the present Belgian province of Luxemburg and perhaps the corner of Longwy.
Belgium would become an independent vassal rump state, subservant to Germany. It would be named the Tributary State of Flanders-Wallonia.
And Holland would be annexed to Germany, probably as a Duchy. Maybe they could have named it the Duchy of Batavia.
What do you meant with Holland the province Holland or the whole Netherlands.
And if you mean Netherlands why a Duchy and not a Kingdom like Bavaria, Prussia, Baden and Saxony?
TotrueTufaar
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Personally, I'm a Grand Duchy.Gustav Anderman said:Yepp but i would only be an earldom
Gustav Anderman said:
No, the whole Netherlands as a Duchy. When France controlled the Low Countries under Napoleon, the Netherlands was named the Batavian Republic. As an ironic twist of fate, why not name it a Kingdom or Duchy of Batavia? Luxemburg was a Duchy so why not remake the Netherlands as the German Duchy of Batavia?
Max Sinister
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It doesn't stand for "Nationaal-Socialiste Beweging", the Dutch nazis - or does it?
I suggest "Natie, Staat, Broerheit". "Nation, State, Brotherhood"- some kinda motto or something. I dunno.
PS- I don't know much dutch. I had to use wikipedia and google translation for the words. Might be some errors.
Revenge, perhaps, for not aiding Germany in the war with France?Gustav Anderman said:
You mean county or a barony. The concept of an "earl" and "earldom" doesn't exist in Germanic feudal theory. Counts (Graf) and Barons/Freelords (Freiherr) do. Or, perhaps due to Canada's location on the periphery of annexed territory, it would be "Markgraftum Kanada"- Margraviate of Canada.Gustav Anderman said:Yepp but i would only be an earldom
PS- I don't know much dutch. I had to use wikipedia and google translation for the words. Might be some errors.
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Hapsburg said:
Well the netherlands didn´t aid Germany in 1866 or in 1871 and didn´t annex the netherlands so why now?
And of course i should have wrote " Yepp but it would only be an earldom"
it was an ironic statement that if somebody devot the Kingdom of the Netherlands to a duchy, a much larger Canada should devoted to something even smaller
The status of Canada within the German Empire would be irrelevant, as the Americans would soon be invadingGustav Anderman said:Well the netherlands didn´t aid Germany in 1866 or in 1871 and didn´t annex the netherlands so why now?
And of course i should have wrote " Yepp but it would only be an earldom"
it was an ironic statement that if somebody devot the Kingdom of the Netherlands to a duchy, a much larger Canada should devoted to something even smaller
Since Russia will be quiet for the next twenty or thirty years, will there be another war or war scare in Europe? I could foresee a possible second (third) round with France, but Turkey could also be a contender. Possible reasons include most importantly Caucasus oil and the political destiny of Georgia, disagreement regarding political policy towards Persia, etc. Maybe Turkey gets too high and mighty once she realizes the power she has controling such a big chunk of the oil market and ceases to be the 'sick man of Europe.'
Scarecrow said:
Alright, this subject leads back to the TL, which I'm continuing:
Post-war era:
France in this TL transcends from a democracy to militarism the same way Japan did in OTL. The right-wing segment managed to gain immense power. There was significant right-wing sentiment in France in the 1930s, however, this failed to alter general policies. However, with the "betrayal" by joining Mitteleuropa, combined with perceived failures of the crumbly Third Republic, and the new humiliation of a defeat, springs the movements into momentum. Action Francaise is rapidly gaining power, and new right-wing parties have also formed.
Meanwhile, the annexation of the Zagros Mountains and everything west of it (including Abadan) was a sever blow to the already weak Qajar dynasty in Persia. In addition, new resistance, such as the Jangal movement, was stirring.
Russia also faces civil war, as the result of the inefficancy of the gov't to solve famines and other problems, as well as russia's backwardness. The Tsar, who is virutally powerless by this point, is overthrown. An opportunistic Japan seizes this opportunity to attack russia. Germany and Japan finally come to a deal were germany's eastern possesions are returned in exchange for an anti-russian coalition. Lenin is released into russia to stir more sedition.
In the end of the war, russia is divided into two parts. The Reds, including all of european russia, become the Soviet Union, lead by Lenin. The Whites, in Siberia, form their own independent, democratic gov't. Japan annexes all of the Russian Far East, including Northern Sakhalin and Outer Manchuria, and Kamchatka. Ingria, a new state centered in Petrograd and its vicinity, is created. It's a de facto finnish-german satiellite, but nominally independent. Petrograd is renamed St. Petersburg once again.
Meanwhile, in China, there's massive discontent over Yuan Shikai's brief reign. In 1916, under German urging, China declares war on Japan. The Germans, who are trying to get revenge on the Japanese, promise China the return of Tsingtao and a few other concessions, such as an agreement to protect it from competing foreign interests. Sun Yat-Sen also wanted to use the war to spur nationalism and unity in a heavily balkanized country. It proved an ill-fated move, and the Japanese retailated and crushed opposition. Thus, Japan forced China to agree to the original 21 points, and make it a de facto protectorate.
The troops in Manchuria were now a starting point for a Japanese invasion of Manchuria. By 1920, the Japanese have gained enough power to alienate the British and spur a more militaristic outlook on the world. A next, but very different round of war is about to begin.
Anyway, I think this part is a little less plausible, but tell me what you think.
Hapsburg said:
The German title "Fürst", meaning "Prince" (not necessairly having any connotations to royalty), is about right.
In ascending order of rank, here are the titles of nobility:
Freiherr (Baron)
Graf (Count)
Fürst (Prince-elector)
Herzog (Duke)
König (King)
Kaiser (Emperor)
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Caucasian oil was under Russian control and relatively important. If the area has managed to seced during a civil war any victor will immediately move in to retake it.Franz Josef II said:
The amount of oil that Turkey controls is not as big as it first seems. The Arabian fields are about to fall under the grip of the House of Saud and Kuwait is a British protectorate. That leaves it only the Iraqi oil fields which were undeveloped. The Turks have two choices in this. One, hand control over to one or more of the majors. Two, don't have them developed. In the case of one, most of the revenue goes to the majors (the Seven Sisters on OTL). In the case of two, there is no revenue.
On OTL up until the First Oil Crisis no country got rich on oil. The Seven Sisters had too much control over the market. As an example of their power, take a look how they smashed the attempts by the Iranians in 1953 to exert control. If the Turks tried it, they would become another example.
Yes, there were independents like Mexico, but they were very small fry.
The Turks had no interests in Persia. It had not been a part of the Ottoman empire so any attempt to meddle in it would bring the wrath of the British Empire down on their heads. As it would not be in the interests of the Germans to back them up, Istanbul would be told in no uncertain terms to get out.Scarecrow said:
There still might be a war if the Persians get really upset about the Turks having Baku/Azerbaijan.
Anyone think in this scenario that the Germans would push the Americans over the Monroe doctrine (interfere in Argentina, Brazil, etc.?)
Max Sinister
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If they're stupid enough... Tirpitz IOTL had the plan to acquire an island in the Caribbean... "without angering the USA".