Total Bourbon Defeat in the War of Spanish Succession

Did a cursory search for this after reading through the other thread, didn't find anything immediately apparent.

Is a total defeat of Bourbon France and Spain realistically possible in this conflict? Defining such defeat to mean that the House of Habsburg remains enthroned in Spain, and France at least makes concessions to victors.

If it might be possible, what would Britain, Austria and the other powers gain from France, Bavaria, or Spain in terms of territory, trade, or other concessions?

Some implications regardless of concessions are the continued encirclement of France by Habsburg possessions, and the lack of Bourbon reforms in Spain and the Spanish Empire. Does this leave Europe more balanced in terms of power?
 
Did a cursory search for this after reading through the other thread, didn't find anything immediately apparent.

Is a total defeat of Bourbon France and Spain realistically possible in this conflict? Defining such defeat to mean that the House of Habsburg remains enthroned in Spain, and France at least makes concessions to victors.

If it might be possible, what would Britain, Austria and the other powers gain from France, Bavaria, or Spain in terms of territory, trade, or other concessions?

Some implications regardless of concessions are the continued encirclement of France by Habsburg possessions, and the lack of Bourbon reforms in Spain and the Spanish Empire. Does this leave Europe more balanced in terms of power?

No (to it being realistic). Neither side has the resources to dominate the other one.

If it somehow did happen, what Habsburg would take the throne? That would influence the issue of balance of power - the Allies in general don't want the Spanish and Austrian inheritances going to the same person, which obviously upsets it rather badly.
 
France is simply too powerful to be defeated so completely - remember, it was on the ropes in OTL by the middle of the war to the point where Louis XIV would accept even denying his grandson the Spanish throne, and with a non-negotiable demand by the Allies (having France join in throwing out Philip of Anjou) France came back from the brink. What is possible, however, is that the Allies don't push their luck and simply demand that Philip renounce the Spanish throne.

With this scenario, if Charles of Austria were to be the Habsburg claimant, and his elder brother Joseph still dies without a son, it would ironically resurrect the height of Habsburg power one and a half centuries earlier: Habsburg control of Spain and the hereditary lands of the Habsburg Monarchy in a single person. We could see Britain even ally with France to make sure that the Empire of Charles V would not come to life once more (granted, the HRE under Charles V and post-Westphalia were different entities).
 
France is simply too powerful to be defeated so completely - remember, it was on the ropes in OTL by the middle of the war to the point where Louis XIV would accept even denying his grandson the Spanish throne, and with a non-negotiable demand by the Allies (having France join in throwing out Philip of Anjou) France came back from the brink. What is possible, however, is that the Allies don't push their luck and simply demand that Philip renounce the Spanish throne.

With this scenario, if Charles of Austria were to be the Habsburg claimant, and his elder brother Joseph still dies without a son, it would ironically resurrect the height of Habsburg power one and a half centuries earlier: Habsburg control of Spain and the hereditary lands of the Habsburg Monarchy in a single person. We could see Britain even ally with France to make sure that the Empire of Charles V would not come to life once more (granted, the HRE under Charles V and post-Westphalia were different entities).

I think it speaks of France's position in 1709 when Louis XIV was willing to let Philip be tossed out, only changing his mind when the allies wanted French armies to throw him out. 1709 does seem like a good time for an Allied victory, though. Simply have Malplaquet go a little bit more better, then the Allied Armies can probably persue the French armies into France. A mini-TL I worked on involved a better Malplaquet allowing the Allies to occupy Paris with Versailles being looted. This victory of sorts bolsters the Austracist party to the point where the Archduke is welcomed into Madrid (he occupied it in 1709/1710, I believe, but it was virtually deserted, the core of Castile supporting Philip).

If Charles gains Spain, then he will certainly be forced to renounce his rights to Austria... this leaves Joseph in a difficult position. It's clear he's not going to have any sons, unless you have an earlier POD (say, 1700 or so), because he has syphilis and had even given it to the Empress, rendering her infertile. Assuming Charles renounces the throne, Central Europe would become a mess a generation earlier: Joseph's eldest daughter would inherit, as the original pragmatic sanction allowed for the succession of Joseph's daughters. Charles displaced them in favor of his own daughters. You'd have an Austrian Succession War not long after the Spanish Succession, the Archduke Charles possibly heading off to fight for his rights (maybe abdicating in Spain in favor of his infant daughter/son?). Either way, it'd be a total mess... and interesting in the Chinese sense. ;)
 
The interesting part would be the sides in the alt-War of the Austrian Succession. France will likely join the anti-Austrian side, obviously, because it wants to avenge its loss of Spain as a possible ally and because the fear of encirclement by the Habsburgs will be felt longer than in OTL. Britain could support either side, but given that its chief aim was to preserve the balance of power it could even team up with France - or join the Habsburgs if France remains as dangerous and Charles is willing to do some dynastic concessions.
 
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